Stuart
Um, I've been calling him kabas but kabas yeah, but Scott what does the audiobook say.
Tim
Yeah, Jeru Savvio wow well anyway thrron thwarted jeruous saviath snare with a demonstration of theal miri's unusual ability to vacate the force.
Scott
Um, the so the audio book says Jeruis Sabay off.
Kyle
Yeah.
Tim
So yeah, guys a lot happened a lot of lot happened. It was I was actually a bit intimidated by this chapter's length before we got in.
Kyle
Yeah, this is definitely a beefier chunki or chapter and it it. It goes on a while but I love the visual was in this chapter. Um I love the like he kind of described how there was like 3 different types of architecture and the.
Stuart
Um, yeah.
Tim
Me too.
Stuart
Um, ah.
Scott
Ah.
Tim
What.
Kyle
Main palace kind of incorporated all 3 and it kind of um yeah just I enjoyed a lot of what the chapter said about the area.
Tim
Yeah, yeah, did it give um a description as to what the climate was like.
Stuart
No I didn't pick up on anything like that.
Scott
Um, yeah I think visually I just kind of assumed it was was pretty temperate what well forested.
Tim
Yeah.
Tim
Yeah I imagined I actually imagined like a pretty brown world like a little overcast with like gray skies I don't know why that image got to my head that was just thinking of a very neutral, slightly dark place. Yeah.
Stuart
Know I mean certainly the it was incorporated into the forest as well. It seemed like as that was part of the ah I mean like pointed out that it was a low-tech world so them yeah bows and arrows.
Tim
Yeah, right right.
Scott
Bows narrows. Yeah.
Stuart
You know nothing that you can see from all but with your eyes closed as as Thrmp put it I Really like that line that was pretty cool.
Scott
Um, yeah, thats that's gone. That's good.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Stuart
Um, but as far as yeah, but as far as like what it felt like the the city. Yeah, it certainly felt um, like incorporated into the forest and a focus on.
Kyle
Speaking of the air.
Stuart
Being low tech or I don't um, losing my train to foot it here. Take it away. Carl.
Kyle
I Just wanted to say speaking of the arrows I had a song visual like the arrow mised. But it's like in the Star Wars Universe. You don't really think of gore that often.
Scott
Um, if it.
Tim
Nah.
Tim
Faith. No yeah.
Stuart
Um, they are.
Kyle
But got a scar viil of an arrow going through Thorn's neck at him just dying that way is just like how how upsetting it would be to see anyone in the stars universe just get a soft object through the neck because it's usually.
Scott
Um, yeah, Isamari wouldn't have done that.
Tim
Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, that's a hunger gains vibe. Yeah.
Stuart
Oh now.
Kyle
It's usually the blasters or just like you know in. Um, you know when it was the eroks like there was a little more like traps kind of thing but like it was it was them getting like blunt forced but like there's not a lot of like ah just yeah, don't know why but just like.
Tim
Yeah.
Kyle
Really got a strong visual with somebody getting arrow to the neck because they weren't looking.
Scott
Yeah, well it says the arrow bounced off his body armor and I immediately thought of the ewocs just like you know murdering the stormtroopers. It's like how did they you know? yeah they use heavier stones and stuff and and logs crashing into each other but it's like how did they.
Stuart
Or yeah.
Tim
Pray.
Kyle
Well.
Scott
How did the stormtroberers fall victim to the ewalks so easily if the arrow just bounced off a Thron's body armor.
Kyle
Well apparently they they explain that I yeaht know when or where but they explain that stormtrooper armor is very good against blasters but very weak against brunt force. It does not protect. It doesn't like so that's why people can just like use bow staffs to kind of just hit them over the back of the head and they just die.
Scott
Um, right.
Tim
Do blasters Blassterbels have any blunt force for them to them or any physics.
Kyle
Oh that's I don't know is it is it like is it like Cyclop is laser where it's not heat. It's pressure.
Scott
Um I don't know I always wondered that it's it seems that ah it's can it's energy. Yeah, but I assume that was from like an explosive.
Tim
Ah, haven't we seen people like fall back or something when they get shot or or especially with like chewy's bow Caster Force awakens.
Stuart
Um, well I think Bo Castst is a different Bo Casters have something else in them. Not just the standard tibe and gastz. But.
Scott
Yeah I assume that it's more of like an explosive like concussion.
Tim
True true but have we seen that happen with a blaster.
Scott
It does seem like they have a yeah some kind of projectile.
Stuart
I Think most of the damage from a blaster comes from being burnt or like energy dissipation but that would still have some sort of like momentum that would knock you down.
Scott
Energy a concussion concussive force. Yeah, it also feels feels like space physics are different. Yeah.
Tim
Oh okay, yeah gotcha I mean I guess that makes sense in that case.
Stuart
What I'm guessing is what I'm guessing is that storm Triporama has some like a metamaterial in it. That's ablative to particular kinds of energy which is why they can take planting blows with.
Tim
And.
Scott
Um, yeah, their armor is good against their armor's good against like environmental issues. It's good against um, you know like ah like a bladed weapon I Guess like to an extent you know like ah like a cut or something like shrapnel.
Stuart
High energy blasters and not get burnt but direct hits are.
Tim
Yeah, yeah, yeah, different story.
Kyle
It be.
Stuart
Yeah.
Stuart
Um, ah.
Scott
But yeah, they do seem pretty vulnerable to blasster fire and they do seem pretty vulnerable to like a stick hitting them over.
Kyle
You know, but protective gear is kind of interesting how it just depending on how it's made depends on what it protects you from like I at work I work with a lot of metal and I have these sleeves that I have to wear to make sure my arm doesn't get cut.
Tim
Um, yeah, yeah.
Stuart
Are.
Tim
Um.
Stuart
Um.
Kyle
But it only protects me from getting cut. You can easily stab through it. But if I take the I saw object and slice it. It won't work.
Scott
Is it like chain mail sort of is it like ah is like ah like the meat cutting gloves like you see in like Delis instead.
Tim
Um, ah, that's interesting.
Stuart
Um, okay.
Kyle
Ah, it's more of a it's like a hexagon shaped ah fabric and and not like not like there was I I would definitely show you some of them later.
Tim
That sounds cool. Please do that sounds Awesome! yeah.
Scott
Um, okay, cool. You should take a picture of it sometimes shows. Yeah.
Stuart
Kyle is the bee answer all these hexagons.
Kyle
Um, but I just you know different over does different things and yeah I I kind of accepted it all more that stone super armor is good against Blast or fire not against.
Scott
So.
Kyle
Getting hit but by hard heavy things.
Tim
Apparently throns is good against getting hit by heavy things though it maybe yeah yeah.
Stuart
Um I guess that um I.
Kyle
Or he maybe he's wearing plot arm or.
Stuart
That stuff's indestructible.
Scott
Well maybe it's maybe maybe like stones are just like somehow magically go through their armor but like a metal arrow doesn't true I kind of assumed. Maybe it was.
Stuart
Um, I mean like but he's not wearing Stormtra Brama he's wearing like assassination proof suit.
Tim
Yeah, you probably guess the good stuff.
Scott
Yeah, he's probably wearing like yeah, he's wearing the posh stuff.
Stuart
Yeah, because like where is thron going to be vulnerable is to assassination like a blade being pushed between his ribs and that is definitely in the in the realm of an arrow being fired from a treeline.
Tim
That's true I mean.
Tim
Right.
Scott
India.
Tim
M.
Scott
Definitely.
Stuart
so his armor if we you know Take that different armor does different stuff and I think particularly when you get to the tech level that's in star wars that what you are protecting against would have to be kind of specific because if you think about like metamaterials or whatever that like kyles. You can't get Stabb. You can get stabbed with this thing but you can't get cut with it and you know there's there. There'll be tradeoff in making different kinds of materials that that you would have so yeah thing that he's yeah so if somebody's getting past rook then ah.
Kyle
But.
Scott
Um, it's like what's most likely to happen to you? yeah.
Tim
Yeah.
Scott
He.
Kyle
Um.
Stuart
They're probably going to be you know, stabbing in between the ribs and so that's the kind of body armor that he's been protecting against.
Tim
Right? right? Speaking of Rook I At first I Yeah I had um when he first shut up I was it was.
Scott
Um, don't don't mess with them.
Tim
It was like oh he's a nogre and I was thinking of Jedi Academy and I was like oh I slice through those things so easily and they seem so pathetic and then he comes in this and he demolishes a building and a like what? yeah.
Scott
Um, yeah, right I got a very ah like.
Kyle
Um, if.
Stuart
Ah, yeah, and the way that it would describe to like scientifically and very thoroughly that he is just looking and taking out the very specific points as he's going through it that was so cool.
Tim
Yeah. Here.
Scott
He's very methodical. Yeah, he leveled the building with just you know a few shots. Well not a few shots but you know few Volleys of shots I guess it sounded like it was a pretty maybe like ah like your I don't know a mini gun or something from.
Tim
Just whatever Blaster he was using.
Stuart
Um, yeah.
Tim
Like an eweb. Yeah.
Scott
Yeah, yeah, maybe.
Stuart
But but it sounded like he didn't use any more shots than necessary that even though it was 20 shots plus a few more it wasn't like emptying the clip on the on the building it was I am.
Scott
Um, but yeah, yeah, exactly yeah he was. He was very surgical. Yeah.
Tim
And.
Scott
Right.
Stuart
Taking out this point and this point and this point and there just happen to be 35 points that a building needs to keep intact and then it's visibly shaking and completely collapses.
Scott
Um, hey.
Scott
Easy.
Tim
Do you think he analyzed that just based on looking at the building or did he have some analysis of some knowledge of its architecture based on his experience with throng.
Scott
I Don't know thran may have known more about it. You know based on its architecture and and the the species art. You know he likes to analyze the species art. But I think he definitely didn't have time to explain it to rook you know.
Tim
No I mean I was more referring to maybe some of Thrns and knowledge has rubbed off on rook. Yeah.
Stuart
I could see that being slightly the case but I think that it would be the difference between an architect and a structural and engineer throne understands the arts of this but Rook is understanding the physics of what keeps this building up.
Tim
Okay, gotcha. so complimentary understandings.
Scott
Yeahron kind of understands. Yeah Thron kind of knows like the ah the superficial kind of like how it looks on the outside but rocca understands the skeleton of it basically in a way.
Stuart
Um, yeah.
Tim
That's a scary pairing.
Stuart
Efficiency and grace.
Tim
So Thron will make you feel badly about how you look and then rook's just going to go right and break your bones.
Scott
Um, yeah, throttle insult you and Roc will break you.
Kyle
People will break your bones ator or make run of how weak they were in the None place if the empire was there. Those bones wouldn't air break.
Scott
Exactly? Yeah, yep.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Stuart
Um, I thought there was an interesting ah difference between poleon and and thron in this chapter that Peon was a little bit whiny in this. Is. Why do we have to go to this planet I don't think this thing is necessary and do you really think that is that we go I want storm troopers here to protect me.
Kyle
And.
Tim
Ah, right right? Yeahron seemed more curious and inquisitive as he was going through.
Scott
Um, yeah. Um, like I do yeah.
Kyle
Um.
Stuart
Um, yeah, but then Thron is definitely a very measured character and he's not used to being out of his element like everything is Thron's element or he is in control the game. But then you're going to have to keep correcting me ah on the kaboth's name Kaboth say bo as sabaos. Okay.
Scott
Yeah.
Scott
Um, set severe. So and.
Tim
Price a savvy. Ah I I read the freaking summary and I forget I know it's quite a name.
Kyle
Snapba Savi Off um
Stuart
Um, so sabbath and Thron clearly have different images of power. What is power and thrron finds it to be.
Scott
Um.
Stuart
Being able to command people whereas sabayath is very personal about how he feels that power is and the the kind of different ah expressions. Yeah.
Tim
Yeah, it's a dictator versus a cult leader or a warlord versus a cult leader I would say Yeah yeah.
Scott
Um, yeah.
Kyle
Might yeah I And as much better.
Scott
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, right? yeah.
Stuart
Yeah, um, and I think that that is demonstrated most when thran wants to execute that guy who shot him with an arrow and he just orders.
Tim
Right? yeah.
Scott
Right? And then saviath moves. The.
Stuart
Yeah, he he orders rook to to take the shot and even as he's doing that Kaboth is protecting him just with a stone just a stone from the ground and he says no these are my people and I am going to dish out the punishment not just like execution. But and I feel like that punishment is going to be very personal.
Scott
Um.
Tim
Yeah. So yes. Yeah, but he was also kind of basically like hey man get over it. Your home is destroyed. This is our guest. It's more important. Yeah yeah, don't disturb the piece be polite.
Kyle
A.
Stuart
Um, yeah, yeah for for so he has to he loses his home and gets a court martial.
Scott
Um, yeah, right.
Kyle
Um, yeah.
Tim
Yeah, and he's told it doesn't even matter. Yeah, yeah, pretty terrible people in this chapter? Yeah yeah.
Kyle
With the.
Scott
Right? I kind of get the impression that yeah, sabbath kind of emphasizes the fact that he punishes them and it's almost like he enjoys just laying into him and in the just.
Stuart
Um I didn't get that that was very Sadistic I didn't feel like he was a very sadistic character. He I think he feels like the execution of power. Yeah, um that he enjoys the execution of power. However, that might look.
Scott
Not well not to his maybe not to his people. But.
Tim
I think he likes the control over people. Yeah.
Kyle
Yeah, yeah.
Scott
Um, well yeah.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
The powers just reallying onto his head.
Stuart
Um I don't know which which of them. Do you think is ah deep. Do you think that his underlings respect him by that the people of the town respect Saba off.
Kyle
I Think they fear him.
Scott
Um, it's hard to just say yeah I know it's It's hard to kind of discern from just from this chapter.
Tim
That's a very good question. Yeah.
Tim
So So my girlfriend watches a lot of cult documentaries and some of what she has watched has rubbed off on me and so there's likely a lot of people who just trust him implicitly because um. I Mean just the psychology of a cult person is that you have a great fear or like lack of control and this or feel like there's a lack of control in your life and this authoritative figure comes in now like yes I can make everything Okay, just follow what I say like I can handle that for you and so there's probably a lot of people who feel that way. About him if we're going to go with the cult leader impression or interpretation. Yeah.
Kyle
Yeah, yeah.
Stuart
Um.
Scott
Yeah, and we've kind of discussed a little bit before in a previous episode but you know it's almost like force users Even at this point are kind of seen as deities in a way or or you know legendary figures or or mythological figures. So him being a forced user could amplify his.
Tim
Right? Oh yeah.
Scott
Kind of like cult leader status.
Tim
Yeah, maybe he's influencing them on some level with that too.
Stuart
Um, yeah.
Scott
E.
Stuart
Like inside their brain because it it mentions also that the emperor was inside. People's minds giving them the will to continue fighting and then as soon as the emperor and emperor died that whole coordination and.
Kyle
Nap.
Tim
Write.
Scott
Yeah, everybody's scattered.
Stuart
Fighting Spirit kind of took on what what throne says you were fighting like cadets. Oh man that was yeah.
Scott
Yes, yes, that was a install that yeah.
Tim
Yeah, that had to hit Pellon hard. Yeah, which is interesting Thatron may have potentially divined that about him because Peleon did not like working with so many young people.
Scott
Um, eaten for yeah yeah, but.
Stuart
Yeah, um, yeah, his voice was quiet and contemptuous. You fought on like cadets like ow that geez that stings.
Tim
So I wonder if that was pointed. Yeah.
Scott
Um, yeah, but it's interesting that they were so dependent on the empire or the emperor I mean to control them. You would think like a really well.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Tim
I Think it's more influence rather than control. Yeah.
Scott
Design Military force. Oh yeah, well Okay, yeah, but it seems like they should have been able to fight competently without any kind of influence like that they should just been that well trained right.
Stuart
Are.
Stuart
Um, you would hope so but thrownn Also sorry um, you would think so but Thrun also wants sabayath to.
Kyle
Yeah, you you you would. You would think that I'll go into it. No go into it.
Tim
Yeah.
Stuart
Express this same influence in this new empire and as we had in chapter 1 poleon is reflecting on.
Scott
He does. He's yeah, he's hoping that he can kind of basically take over for the vacancy that the empire Emperors left.
Stuart
Um, the emperor is a blatant attempt to bring all the power into a single point of failure and I think Thrun sees that and feels like you know you shouldn't be relying on just this one person for power that every point needs to be strong and. Uphold itself. But in moments of absolute cruciality that if it is crucial. Everybody is pushed in a single direction. So All the fires of a muscle are are firing in that one direction.
Tim
Um, yeah, yeah.
Scott
It seemed kind of shortsighted for the um emperor to basically have so much control over them over their victory and you know or failure in the in the battle of endor because.
Stuart
Um, but I mean that's his hubris right? here's the dark lord of the Seth and it's interesting that saba off doesn't want that though. He.
Tim
I've yeah you want it that way. Yeah.
Scott
Exactly Yeah and that's what I was thinking too. He's he's yeah yeah. Um, yeah, he doesn't yeah he doesn't.
Stuart
Enjoys being the leader of a town but he does it and as much as he wants power. He doesn't want you know to be inside. People's skulls and be a mind flayer.
Scott
Um, ah.
Tim
Yeah, that's great.
Kyle
I Think it's the it's it takes a lot less energy to do what he's currently doing because the technology was described as like they just kind of had bowsnails like there wasn't much to what they had So if a Jedi would to come in and be like. Look I have magic powers. They're like oh cool So You're a God now right? Yeah, but like it doesn't take a lot of effort for him to be ruling over these people.
Tim
Um, yeah, that's true.
Scott
Me.
Tim
Do you think in some ways he's intentionally keeping them more primitive as well. Yeah I see.
Kyle
Oh yeah.
Scott
Yeah.
Stuart
Um, but they're pretty exclusionary of outsiders as well. Yeah.
Tim
He probably wants it that way too. That's what I'm thinking.
Scott
Well we know what happens to all the outsiders Apparently the candle. Yep, there's a candle lit for each one and that I always thought so they talk about the the Guardian of the mountain being a dark Jedi is it not him.
Kyle
They had a cat older for them.
Tim
That's the um.
Stuart
Um, ah.
Scott
Is it somebody else because he says I killed the Guardian does he kill another dark giant I I always thought it was I thought he was that yeah true, but he does He definitely does.
Tim
Well he describes himself as a Jedi Master I think he thinks he's a good guy.
Stuart
Um, yeah, um.
Kyle
Yeah I don't I don't think he was a good person I think he I think he is the dark Jedi just because he calls himself a Jedi he's still doing horrible things.
Stuart
Yeah, yeah.
Scott
Well, he is maybe he Yeah maybe everyone around him remember everyone around him describes him as the dark Jet I He doesn't know about he doesn't know that they call him that I guess.
Stuart
Um, yeah, so I feel like he and as it's revealed later in the chapter. He's the clone of a Jedi and so he.
Scott
Right.
Tim
Right? yes.
Stuart
Oh I don't know where where do you think his personality comes from.
Tim
That is a very good question I I.
Scott
Um, yeah, because he's just a cloning and physically right. He's just a physical clone.
Kyle
To.
Tim
I had um a feeling that I guess an initial theory that being a clown and if he knows he's a clown then maybe he feels a lack of identity and so maybe that influences the kind of Power that he looks for because I got the impression that he like knows everything about every person in his town like every aspect of their personality strengths weaknesses desires hopes dreams fears all of it and I could I could see if he himself did not feel like he had a strong identity him Having a really strong interest in knowing these things about people and furthermore influencing it in a way to potentially be like hey this doesn't even matter look how easily I can move you people because of your eye I did because of your identities. Yeah.
Kyle
Yeah.
Stuart
Um, do you think he's a web that he's a clo or you think he's just been.
Tim
I Don't know I was I was just kind of running with that idea.
Kyle
I Don't think so.
Scott
I Don't think so I honest, don't think he he thinks he's yeah I don't think he know needs a club.
Stuart
Yeah, because I think I don he seems unstable and don't they talk about that that as clones get older. They do get more unstable and that's why Peon's really un happy to have you know.
Scott
Yeah, they do.
Tim
I'll do.
Scott
He's very apprehensive to have a board. Yeah.
Stuart
Dealing with him. Yeah.
Tim
Oh that sounds a bit less interesting. Sorry I'm I'm never a fan of the oh they become unstable plot device. Yeah I like things to always be active choices for characters.
Kyle
I Forget our clones do all clones age quickly or do only is that is something special that they do to some clones.
Stuart
Um, yeah.
Tim
Oh here's what's interesting about this. The clone wars had not been set by the time this was written. It was not clear what they were this is 1991
Kyle
Ah, right? yes.
Stuart
Um, the whole. Yeah yeah.
Scott
Screw them very true. Yeah.
Stuart
Um, in attack of the clones. They mentioned that they have been accelerated. Their growth has been accelerated so that is something specifically that they put into those for the clone was.
Kyle
Yeah, so then how old is this clone. How has this cone been around for a long time and that's why he's old.
Tim
Ah, ah, generally, that's how people get old ds.
Kyle
Is this seems weird. It seems weird like how how how long ago did the original die then right.
Scott
Um, well because Thrron was involved. So I mean how old Isron yeah.
Tim
And gosh.
Stuart
It can't be older than thrownon and it can't be older than poleon and poon says that he's about 50 mid 50 s and heleon heard about the outbound flight project when he was a cadet.
Scott
Right.
Scott
What was a cadet I think he was a little further along than cadet see.
Stuart
I am. Um I heard rumors on frowned thinking back some sort of Grand effort to extend the old Republic's Authority outside the galaxy as I recall launched just before the Clone Wars broke out I never heard much more about It. So. He seems to characterize it as a Grand effort. So It might have been something that was quite publicly or at least in the military it was quite a big deal. So I don't think you would have to be particularly high in the pecking order to know that it was going to be a thing.
Scott
Um, yeah.
Tim
M.
Stuart
But that it ended disastrously was just like oh well that happened and quite a good cover for.
Tim
The way he describes that just communicates so much about Zon's vision of the history before we got the prequels because if it was something telegraphed that means there had to be some form of proto-emp empire he's imagining four things I he probably didn't have he likely didn't have the same vision of Lucas as it coming from within the republic I also thought it was interesting that he said that he specifically used the term old republic Because that means a very different thing to us now and it took me back at None and then I as I read on I realized oh he's talking about the republic before the empire came about before the reign of it and so yeah.
Stuart
So what I So what I read from that is that not that there was a Proto- empire but and it still could have come from the the Republic ah that there was a Civilian military At least or at this point you know in in 9091 the clone wars were the clones. The ones that attacked the republic or were the clones fighting for the republic they didn't they didn't know at that point and that that is still a kind of black box Here as well. But it does imply that there is a there is a Civilian military or or like ah a non-lun military that's happening for the old Republic At this point which Polaon must have been a part of.
Tim
Yeah, that is a while to think about how different things could have been. Yeah.
Scott
He.
Stuart
Because did mention in chapter one that he was right? Yeah yeah, on the None page it says that he spent 50 years in the imperial fleet. So the the military is at least fifty years old
Tim
Oh my goodness. No wonder Disney decanonized this. Yeah, we are in an alternate Universe guys. How does it feel.
Kyle
Um, it's definitely interesting I'm excited to see what it is in store for this.
Tim
It's kind of exciting. It's like oh it's a completely new thing and the only reliable reference. Yeah is the original trilogy.
Stuart
Yeah, and I kind of like that about yeah I yeah I liked the that that feeling about the old star wars legends is when that was the Eu that everything was like loosely tied together and there's like. You know in this story. The canon is what's in the story but everything is kind of loosely associated and the dates kind of match up but not really and like it just gives that kind of like ah.
Tim
Long time ago in a galaxy far far away feeling. Yeah.
Stuart
Yeah, yeah, it's very mythological and it's something that I wanted to point out in one of the previous chapters and it's at the beginning of this chapter as well. It's like it took five days to to run in in light speed or you know whatever warp 75 or
Scott
E.
Tim
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Stuart
However, they describe it that stuff takes time and I was complaining about this to somebody the other day that um, the original movies take place over None years. The prequels take place over twelve years and the sequels take place over 1 year and like there just isn't that grandiosity of like evolution that happens over. Um, yeah, if you just add a bit of breathing room. Just add a bit of breathing room.
Tim
Right? right? right? right? right? yeah.
Scott
Um, interesting. Yeah.
Kyle
Yeah I Totally agree.
Tim
Yeah, yeah, ah completely. Yeah see yeah it is. It is really cool. Yeah I Um, have you guys ever watched a new hope and just completely separated everything you know about House. What Star Wars became from then on out just to type kind of get an idea.
Kyle
And considering I didn't know any of the other Star Wars movies and I watched new hope first. Yes, yeah.
Tim
Okay, so yeah, you cuts there see like we've been with it for so long. So yeah.
Tim
And so ah, what? what were some of your theories based on some of the things you heard in a new hope.
Kyle
Um I don't know I Mostly what I thought about um is I didn't know a lot about the Star Wars story itself. But I knew mostly what like fan criticisms and thoughts on it in itself and I wondered if people felt the same way At the time. Ah when a new hope came out that some people wouldn't like the force awakens came out or stuff like that where people I can't I imagine people weren't as excited I I imagine that that it's It's much different like being able to. What's the story as a whole um and know all this stuff and then you know just because I knew bits and pieces so there was some things I was like ah well I know this and I know this because you can't live in this day and age without just like knowing some random Star Wars Next. It's It's just.
Tim
Yes, yeah, thank you means? Yeah yeah.
Stuart
Are.
Kyle
It's so deep in our popular culture right now that you just can't you can't avoid it.
Stuart
I am very ah convinced that there is only 3 types of numbers and there is 0 which was before star wars there is infinity which. After star wars you can't we we can't conceive of the universe before star wars and then there's just some arbitrary number as well like what's the difference between one and 10 or 10 and 50 or 12 and 7 like they're just numbers so you can either have a finite number an infant number or nothing at all And I think looking back we can't compare a universe before Star Wars our universe before Star Wars and then the universe after Star Wars anything being released after that and Immediately has that knowledge of of that Star Wars exists.
Kyle
Um, yeah.
Tim
Yes, yes.
Tim
So I don't know about you guys? Oh no, please Kyle.
Kyle
I Would love a movie That's oh so good I was on to say out of if there was a movie that came out. It has nothing to do with the fantasy or anything but they're just like in this universe Starll Wars doesn't exist it because sometimes in like ah I'm in a lot of horror movies In most zombie movies or Tv shows or like they explicitly say zombies don't exist in this world. They they like Don the dead right? I think you're definitely if just someone just completely unrelated just like thought doesn't exist in this world.
Tim
Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Stuart
Yeah, the mythos obviously doesn't exist.
Tim
The how would you communicate that movie though.
Kyle
It would be in the director's cut commentary.
Tim
Ah, so um, my favorite scene in this chapter was the scene in the crypt actually.
Stuart
Um, oh yeah, what? what? What was really.
Kyle
What specifically.
Tim
Um, the imagery of that location released it out to me. Yeah, um, the location self but also just this old man like walking through I kind of see him in like a robe or something and then um You know the the um the general behind him with like all this technology and his what is Pellon captain and then the captain behind him you know, just that contrast between this very.
Scott
Captain? Yeah Kennedy.
Stuart
Captain? yeah.
Tim
Earthy figure and then these more modern technological figures in this place that is very strongly associated with in a way natural things because yeah.
Scott
Yeah, feels very ancient but also very in tune with it very in tune with the natural surroundings.
Stuart
Um, ah.
Tim
Ancient That's a better way to put it. Yeah or the cycle of life and death and things like that and then um.
Scott
Um, yeah.
Stuart
Um, I mean particularly if particularly if say ah Saba off is a godlike figure among these people as well.
Tim
Yeah, exactly definitely. So um I thought it was a there was a lot of powerful imagery in that scene and then I was ah I was very confused by the thing with the lightning But then of course they revealed what the salmiri do and it's like oh yeah, it's a void. Yeah.
Kyle
I I hate it I hate it so much I don't like that at all I don't like that there is Lizards in the jungle that have forced bubbles and that when they gather in in groups. The force bubbles get merge and get bigger through a trick.
Scott
Kilometers I say yeah that seems a little far-fetched. But.
Kyle
And I and I get that they try to explain that by there's there's apparently there's animals that hunt using the force but what exactly does that mean, do they like pick up things and then walk up and bite out of them or because because the The bubble means that it is a offensive thing. It is stopping them. So if they were using the force to track them maybe but it seems like it is an offensive thing that they because it blocks all types of force attacks and it's the fact that forest lightning cannot hit a lizard.
Tim
Yeah, it was pretty silly to imagine that as much as I loved the the imagery of the location and the characters going through it. The lightning just kind of stopping at three feet
Kyle
Ah, hate it.
Scott
Edsic.
Scott
Um, yeah.
Tim
Was very bizarre for me to think about or three meters whatever it was yeah okay question. Yeah.
Scott
Um, yeah I didn't that.
Stuart
Um, antiforers. Okay, yeah, ah so the way that I imagine the isilamari is that their predators They don't have like force powers that they pick stuff up and whatever they it's It's a second set of eyes that they use right? and.
Tim
Yeah.
Stuart
The bubble of the force being pushed back just means that they can't use the force to smell them. They can't use the force to detect them because one of the um you know the the more intrinsic powers that the force gives the characters is. Understanding where people are or what they're doing or it's very the emotional aspects of the force is just being in tune with other people. Um, not this very like silvery ball I'm going to throw lightning in this direction or I'm gonna lift. Ah, stone and its end up flying in that direction that that's what I imagine the predators of yu so Lamari are doing they like perceiving. It's it's just you know we have creatures that have the.
Tim
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Scott
It's like it's like the heat vision and a yeah or or like a pit viber's heat vision or something.
Stuart
Like electric not electric vision. Yeah, it's like yeah, it's at a heat vision or like ah electraception that sharks have or that they can feel the electric fields that that are in the water to know where their fish are going or what Moves they're making and that's the way that I that I feel about this coming about I don't I didn't feel like it was particularly contrived that where this power comes from but I certainly understand your Um, I Just yeah I got to say I mean it's like you know animals in our natural world have as you were describing. You know like the sharks can sense it. The pit vipers can sense it. Why can't these creatures sense it without the force. Why does it have to be the force that helps them.
Tim
I'm with Kyle on this one? yeah.
Scott
Why can't they just have their own evolutionary biological feeling. What was 10 extra centre. Yeah, we yeah I as as as annoying as the you know the the anti- force bubble is I really liked the way that ah.
Tim
Um, yeah, yeah, we didn't apply yeah we did? yeah.
Stuart
Well we can need to plot the bice in this book. Sorry.
Kyle
Okay.
Scott
Ah, thrn use it to his advantage.
Tim
Yeah, yeah, using knowledge as power now. It's a good thing I mean I and personally I could buy it if the Lizards just couldn't be sensed in the force but it's weird to have them like directly stop.
Stuart
Are.
Scott
Um, exactly knowledge is power.
Stuart
Um, like.
Scott
E.
Stuart
Um, bubbly Well if you think well yeah, that's what I find strange is that the lightning is dependent on the force.
Tim
Lightning.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Stuart
Even off the projection.
Tim
Yeah, same yes.
Scott
Um, yeah, yeah, if it was like a lightning staff or something. Yeah, if it was like a Tesla coil. Why doesn't it just keep zapping. You know why does it have to stop is.
Kyle
If if if someone uses the force to throw something at 1 of them does it stop as soon as it hits the bubble.
Stuart
Um, yeah.
Tim
Ah, yeah, right? Yeah, does it.
Scott
Yeah, and right right.
Stuart
I Think only if you are holding onto that thing as you are throwing it. But if you have used the force to launch it then it carries its momentum. But if you're holding it gripping it in the force and using the force to. Continue accelerating it or that the the force is the thing providing the ah providing the velocity then that it would stop moving which is how the lightning that that's what it feels like the velocity of the lightning is dependent on The force traveling through these things which seems really malicious if you think about ah the way that Luke is tortured by the emperor. It's not just that he's throwing lightning at him. He is extending tendrils of himself as lightning.
Tim
You know what? Yeah yeah.
Tim
That is a very good point. Oh he felt up Luke.
Scott
Tickle fingers.
Kyle
I Do think it's interesting. Um and looking looking at the the things that hunt the Yasomali The what difference goods they it. So it seems like it's trying to say that the.
Scott
The volunteers.
Kyle
Ya Omari are four sensitive and that they the virtualtus like to eat things that are force sensitive and in response to that they the the RaYaso really gained the ability to project a bubble that hid their force sensitivity.
Stuart
Um, but that wouldn't that make them nonsensitive in the end.
Kyle
Um. Yes, That's that's the thing.
Scott
But.
Tim
But then how does that make them stop Force powers.
Kyle
I am not sure and that's just what the Wikipedia says.
Stuart
Um, it sounds like it sounds like whoever wrote that Wikipedia article doesn't understand evolution.
Kyle
I do like that apparently the ah Mace window the the form 7 what used to be referred to as the way of the roads gun.
Tim
Ah, yeah.
Scott
Oh yes, and ah crap one of the other forms is is named after Theamari I think one of the m names and I can't remember I don't think.
Tim
There makashi.
Scott
I don't know if it's withkashi. It might be Makashi I was looking I was reading it earlier today and I closed the article. But yeah.
Stuart
Niman.
Tim
Because I know that Macewindu's variation of form 7 is specifically named after for an animal called a vapad or vipod. However, you want to pronounce it but the main form I think is way of the warn ski But I can't recall if any of the others are named after an animal I know they each have their own individual ways like I think she cho is way of the sarac or something like that. Yeah.
Scott
Um, another interesting thing I thought was Merker the planet name Merrker Um, which is also a icelandic word merker means darkness.
Stuart
Um, oh.
Tim
Who So I imagined the planet right.
Kyle
The.
Stuart
Hold on this plan plan is Wyland Merks where the isilamari are native.
Scott
Um, but think we were describing yeah merker your cus where that you are. Yeah yeah.
Tim
Oh never mind I didn't.
Kyle
Yeah, and the other planet.
Tim
Yeah I actually thought Weyland was a weird name for the planet. It sounds like a city name to me.
Kyle
They had to go pick up some pets and then they went to the.
Stuart
Um, yeah, yeah.
Scott
There's a lot of weird games wayland see I always think of like Scott wyland from from stone temple pilots well and mainland wland.
Tim
Ah.
Stuart
I Wonder if this is the only city on the planet as well because it seems very like I don't know frontier I guess and um. You know, maybe it is a frontier world that they only settled once and you know it's It's quite backwater. Really, it's not really, they don't have a lot of lot of stuff going on. They're not exporting a lot. They're just sitting on a sore house of what what? Um, what.
Tim
Yeah.
Scott
Um, possibly.
Tim
Um, yeah.
Scott
I.
Stuart
Sabaios seems to think is quite self-ingratiating treasures you look down on that pretty hard.
Tim
Yeah I miss that detail so he was like really not into all the treasures there.
Stuart
Um, yeah, like he um Thron is asking about some like technology and the cloaking shield and oh yeah, he's got other stuff and says oh yeah, you can find that in endless. Ah, collection of endless mementos from his glorious conquests. He snorts in the room and that is sort of crackling self-congratulation.
Tim
Um, so they could be more advanced. Yeah.
Scott
Um, yeah, um.
Stuart
Um, so yeah, he yeah they could be more events. There's all all this stuff's there but like he seems to be very I think as you've seen like close to the earth.
Tim
Um, yeah, yeah, he was.
Scott
He's kind of like the cult leader like technology's bad.
Scott
So here's a little something that about the esale mari sorry to get off topic. But um, as far as their bubble it says on Wikipedia is sumar did not actually negate the force since all existence was infused with force energy. This would not be possible.
Tim
Yes.
Scott
Rather they projected a bubble inside which users were unable to exert any influence over the force.
Stuart
Um, so.
Tim
Okay, that still sounds like negating the force to me. Ah.
Kyle
Um, yeah, it sounds like they they don't negate it. They just make a bubble where you can't use it inside.
Scott
So yeah, that doesn't really clarify anything and also yes it was makashi of the form makashi. Yes.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Tim
Yes, gravey is Salamari so don't those things just like stay on branches they like cling to them. Yeah, yeah.
Scott
They kind of grow into the branches. So it seems a little silly to name and lights are form after that they're not exactly like Monkeys jumping across you know I.
Tim
Yeah, right I feel like that should be form 3 if anything. Yeah.
Kyle
I Do wonder how they found out about the bubble. You think someone just tried to use the force on a lazard for fun when there are Hill This isn't working.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Scott
Um, yeah.
Tim
But they're just like poking their head and getting slowly closer and they're like oh there's the bubble found the edge of it.
Scott
Um.
Stuart
Um, wouldn't they be able to feel that the the wo like if somebody went to the planet. Ah right.
Tim
Yeah, I'm just imagining like a human I'm just imagining like a human metal detector in a way you know like getting closer and further using using themselves to detect where the bubble is yeah.
Kyle
Now. Okay are that that that'd be really weird if they were just like it just walking through the jungle and then you just feel yourself get disconnected from the force like.
Tim
Oh that would terrify me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah yeah.
Stuart
Ah, suddenly you go blind like because that's what I'm feeling like is like the force is just another sense right? or being force sensitive is another sense so I can look out over the over the city. Ah, from.
Scott
Um, yeah, o.
Scott
Um, right? yeah.
Stuart
You know ten stories up and then realize that there is some sort of like there's a dome over there I can't I can't see you past that dome. It's transparent so that's what I imagine that the Isilamari's ah bubble is. It's just some transparency in the force that you can't see through. So you wouldn't have to walk into it to know that it's there. You can just know that your sense of your sense of sight stops at this transparent piece of glass but I can but looking in that direction I can see much further.
Tim
Huh.
Tim
Gotcha right? right? That's a really good way to put it. Yeah opaque gotcha.
Scott
Um.
Stuart
Um I didn't use the word transparent right? I mean opaque, it's it's opaque over there.
Stuart
So back to the back to the titles. Oh and other titles that I have the cover art. What do you guys? think of the cover art of the the new editions.
Kyle
I Enjoy that when you have the other books. It makes a fuller image.
Stuart
Um, I do appreciate that ah on on collections. If you've got those things that putting them together makes that.
Tim
Right? yeah.
Scott
Um, yeah I always loved when like Dvd box sets would do that.
Tim
Oh yeah, that's nice I mean I think Luke's light saber looks terrible but that's a mean thing that's a me thing.
Stuart
I quite like the art style itself. How Thron space is very sketchy. That's really appealing for me but comparing it to the old style where where we've got cabbba on the front Knockabuff Saba off on the front and You've got the the your whole cast there and you've got I just feel like it's a little bit more complete on on the other one.
Scott
It's very 90 s but yes it it does feel more it. It feels more I don't know just yeah.
Tim
That image of Sabay off has stuck with me actually even before I read this book.
Scott
And's a very familiar image too with like the light coming out of his fingers. It's It's very iconic. It's very iconic book cover.
Kyle
Wait walk great I forgot to ask earlier. This are star wars character named Kyle no like that I like that at all.
Tim
Yes, there is Kyle catarn. Yeah, it's not canon yet.
Scott
Yup Kyle out guitarn. But he's legends now. He's no longer canon but yet he could you know I think we're I feel like we're so close to getting mara jade. Like super super close for her to coming back.
Tim
I could see it I don't know how but I could see it. Yeah I have.
Scott
Um I don't know either. But I feel like it's gonna happen I feel like it's gonna be I feel like it's gonna be pretty forced. Um I don't know it? Yeah yeah Bo but.
Kyle
And they're forced.
Tim
Ah I'm on I'm honestly pretty excited to be reading something with her in it because I've just grown to dislike her because I feel like the way the Phantom treats her is is such a manic Pixie dream girl or whatever.
Scott
Yeah, pretty much.
Kyle
If I.
Tim
Or like a wife who and it's just made me really dislike her.
Stuart
We talk about the book covers and the um this ripped master sabe off on the on the cover.
Scott
Um.
Tim
Gotch He he does look quite ripped. He does look quite ripped in that art too. You oh my goodness.
Stuart
I Don't know. Do you guys need the need the image. Yeah I mean he's got wash. Yeah Washboard abs and yeah, giant pecks.
Scott
Um, yeah.
Kyle
Nice chest. Ah decked I Know what he doesn't miss free time now.
Tim
I'd join his call. Ok yeah.
Stuart
And he's got an impressive beard too.
Scott
Um, right are.
Tim
Oh my goodness.
Kyle
He's this uncle I were in it and the jungle.
Stuart
Um, oh yeah, for sure he does give a little bit like crazed Uncle Ira vibes
Scott
Um, six.
Kyle
Um, Uncle Iowa when he never got his team what it.
Tim
But that that's a terrifying thought ah crazed Uncle Ira oh my goodness none of us would survive.
Stuart
Um, yeah, yeah.
Stuart
Ah, for anybody here who doesn't know uncle iro he is from avatar the last day of Benda and.
Scott
Um, I vaguely know who you're talking about like me. Yeah I knew that much but that's all I know.
Kyle
Um, yeah, feel free to cut this but feel feel free to cut this out I love that he in the legend of Quora and just decided to go to the sphere realm.
Tim
Oh I was like people don't know wow watch avatar the last day of vendor. It's very good. Probably 1 of the best Tv shows ever.
Tim
Yep, yeah, it's great tell you Sa I off looking very good on that cover I join his C callt. Yeah.
Kyle
I Joined as jim.
Tim
Yeah, what? what? if he has a gym that only he knows about and he doesn't let anyone else go there I could see him being like that.
Kyle
Um, that's what is that? What's in the mountain. It's just a gym.
Tim
Ah, the one of the emperor's treasures is a pallatis machine.
Scott
Is that with it. Yeah, right to a palyon Palon plus a subscription.
Kyle
Um, a bow fex.
Scott
Captain Captain pellet
Tim
Ah, he's got a shake weight.
Stuart
You can get your imperial Imperial Fame Master right here.
Kyle
Ah, he's the Imperial Thy master.
Kyle
Um I work like I didn't want to bring up I really enjoyed this line um from sabayath in the chapter 4 where he says ah in regards to the people who on the planet is I teach them I command them I punish them. Their lives and their deaths are in my hand I Just really enjoyed that.
Tim
Man What a scary dude.
Kyle
And but right before that he does I think he says yeah he says every human pased and my near here and who live here are mine mine like you he double emphasizes that they are his.
Tim
Oh my God see if I were in Star Wars and I were having to take on Galactic Threats I would much rather face thron than s say off like savvy off I'd be like no I'm not touching that planet just stay away. Yeah I'll take Enthron I'll take on the empire I will not take on saphi. Ah.
Kyle
Um, I also thought it was weird but how thran offered up Luke and Lea as if they were easilymoded like at this point they're. They're like adults the and like deep in of rebellion. It's not like that there are naive children that he can just easily.
Tim
I Mean they haven't seen those ads yet.
Kyle
Now it would be a lot scarer if he offered the state of offered lay as children like he's like oh I'll figure out how a way to get those to you.
Scott
Um, he kind of does he kind of sort of does though.
Stuart
Um, that's what I I think though is that sabayov is aware that the the Jedi are no more and just the chance to meet any other Jedi and like exert dominion over them was like oh that's a challenge I Want to try that. But then.
Tim
Right? because Luke is also in a tough spot now. Luke would love a mentor.
Scott
Yeah, especially at an old Jedi master like yeah because he's already said goodbye to ob one and now he's kind of like well where do I go now? um.
Tim
Ah, guys I'm scared now.
Stuart
But yeah, no I think that he is looking forward to that challenge of like or ah dominating another force user but then even further to have the lives of the unborn children is I think he wants 2 different things with those with them. Live living Jedi and yet born jedi.
Scott
Um, yeah. Um, well he seems to have you know he he controls the lives of all these people. So Why would it? He seems very yeah, just egomaniacal like oh I can control. Anybody. Ah, he won't have any trouble controlling Luke and Leah it's just that's just how I see. Yeah.
Stuart
Are.
Kyle
I Have no basis for this. But I pardon me is just like oh what if side by off what if what if this side by oth is the real side by off the other one on the ship was the clon I don't know why I.
Tim
Um, true I mean how do they know? Yeah yeah, scary duty either way. Yeah.
Kyle
Maybe it's just a trope that I'm used to.
Stuart
Yeah, yeah, very scary.
Scott
Shoot him. He's the clone. No shoot him. He's the clone.
Tim
Although his None name would probably be a bit of a giveaway potentially but I mean we just know that naming convention.
Scott
Um, one thrs as that to pee on 2 He's like well he's like listen to the pronunciation of the mis the obvious misuntion of Doris as giru is.
Stuart
Am.
Tim
Right? Yeah when I was reading I missed that there was a second u in there in the name it was J O R U US instead of J O R U S and so I was like how do you pronounce it differently did he say Joe roofs.
Scott
Ah, ah, ah, right? But yeah, so I first the first name of the two that I always knew of was the with the you to use So how to This is a Star Wars Universe Anybody can name be named anything So how did we not know that the jerusalem was the actual name what it was supposed to be.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Stuart
Um, yeah I think that was it's he only brings up the first name a few times so it's very easily overlooked but to bring it back at the end to be to say oh yeah notice The w.
Tim
Yeah, yeah, you know that was ah that was a good reveal.
Stuart
Was um, new.
Scott
Um, yeah, it's almost like zone was telling his readers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
Um, the.
Stuart
Um, yeah, yeah, no I think that was very deliberate on his part.
Tim
Yeah.
Stuart
The thing that also was kind of scary about Jerus Sa sabayath is like the speed of the force lightning that he uses as well I mean in movies there has to be some sort of like telegraphing of like we're going to do a special effect now and now look at the special effects.
Scott
Um, right.
Tim
Yes.
Scott
Um.
Stuart
Whereas in universe. Ah it probably doesn't look like it does onsc screen and certainly Po play on it like he didn't even have time to flinch and he would have been consumed by lightning and like that's just how fast these superpowers are whereas when we see it on screen You know, couple of dudes Spyton with some light sticks and you know throwing light at each other and even like lasers on screen as well like they're probably a lot faster in in person like this is a visual show for us.
Tim
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, totally. But we're also we're also thinking seeing it through Jedi perspective and so they probably they have heightened reflexes because of their force sensitivity.
Stuart
Um, right? So I just thought that was like an interesting point that and I think ah doubling down on that Playon is the point of view character not thrown on is is very goods. Very good choice in terms of storytelling as well.
Tim
Um, definitely I don't I don't want to know what's going on in throng's head. Yeah.
Kyle
You know.
Stuart
No, it makes a very good mystery and particularly um, the mystery of that he's looking for some technology as well. Like oh it's It's almost as an afterthought. It's a small trivial bit of technology And then it mentions it again? Well yeah, we found the cloaking shields yeah, the cloaking shields are something that poleon understands. Yeah, this is definitely military stuff. But there's an other almost trivial bit of technology that you know we don't know if it's because Poleon doesn't understand this but like there's a mystery there that.
Scott
Um, in.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Scott
Um, me.
Tim
Another mcguffin.
Stuart
Thrown is definitely off to something else.
Kyle
Um, what is the ordinary.
Tim
Not to be reductive. But yeah.
Scott
Well I thought they I thought something else was basically the jedi master the jedi to Jerusalem. Ah no or is it another piece of technology or was so he's after the cloaking shields.
Stuart
Um, right? So he's after 3 things he's after the technology he's after something that we don't know about yeah cloaking shields unknown technology and a jedi musta.
Scott
Okay, so I thought the song We don't know about. Okay so I thought this something we don't know about was the Jedi master but I guess I missed and missed that. Now is there 3 things. Well interesting. Yeah so ah, the other thing is I was a little confused so when they're talking about the the.
Stuart
Yeah, well, it's just ah, just a little bit of mystery that oh yeah, keeps us hungry for what's coming next.
Tim
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, definitely.
Scott
Cloaking devices. Are they just short on cloaking devices and they need them or is this like a brand new technology that they don't have yet.
Stuart
It seems like a new technology because he's looking for blueprints or a prototype or the None working model or yeah.
Kyle
Yeah, yeah.
Scott
Oh yeah, ask a magic or something. Yeah, is it like a specific type because in return to the Jeline when they're having the battle or I think it is a return should I Whatever it is when basically like the Millennium Falcon like slaps itself onto the star destroyer and because no ship that small has a cloaking device.
Scott
So they know about cloaking devices.
Tim
Yeah, right right? No ship that small before malls came along.
Stuart
Um, ah yeah, yeah, that was in yeah, well even that could have been like um black market technology or something that wasn't known to.
Scott
Right? BPFour
Tim
Right? Yeah yeah, good red calm.
Stuart
General public. Um, so the yeah.
Kyle
Yeah.
Stuart
Yeah, I'm guessing that the shielding technology is a cloaking Shield cloaking Shield Maybe it's a combination of Shields and cloaking. So you you can't be cloaked and shielded at the same time. But you visually then they can just shoot you down because you don't You can't have your shields up because that would show up on there on the scanning technology.
Scott
Seems like they could just they could just like yeah pull you up on like a a heat screen or something be like oh there they are blasting. You know the heat signature.
Stuart
Um, Shield looking Yeah I mean like it's definitely very useful military technology particularly if it's cutting edge. Yeah.
Scott
Regardless, it's something that thrmon needs. Yeah.
Tim
Yes, Theron is after quite a few things and it looks like he has 2 of them so far.
Stuart
The illis murray the cloaking shield and the Jey master as well. So it's got 3 things and 4 things that we don't know about.
Scott
Um, yeah.
Tim
3 things 3 things. Let's do is just collecting all this stuff get the's actually a collector.
Scott
None yeah, fourth thing that he doesn't know that we don't know about yet just like his art.
Kyle
Maybe.
Scott
He's like no I Just like this looks cool I'm not here to actually use it. He just he just loves that he just loves somebody else abs. He just wants to have that as a collection he wants to put. He must yeah.
Stuart
Um, that's that's the missing piece of technology.
Scott
It's it's fricking Bowflle whatever that's the fourth thing he's after.
Tim
Ah.
Stuart
The the emperor he had these these these stories that he would just and early mention in passing but I wanted to find the technology for the the 5 minute abs and kept talking. no no 4 minute abs 3 minute abs
Scott
Um, yeah, ah the little vibbra. It's a vibrating belt that you strap on.
Stuart
Um, the chapter clause is with pull on really unhappy with the deal that he's cut. Do you think that it's It's been a good deal so far or do you think this is a a stable partnership. Or at least something that that that that um thrown can control in the end like if things go south that he can just eliminate him or something but how much.
Tim
I think it's definitely in Thron's favor
Scott
Um, it feels like it is yeah because he drew a se out that seems very ah you know what's what's the phrase. You know it's like oh oh you know? Oh jedi oh cool. Okay, yeah, you know it's like. Can't remember how to describe it. But it's like he's basically blinded by his greed you know with the prospect of jedi at soron is using that to his advantage thran knowing full well that well thran in his arrogance believes that he can easily capture Lucan in Lea but He's promised this to them without having them yet. He's promised them to sabby off without having them yet. But I feel like he definitely has the upper hand here because he's eat so easily Dr Sabbath is so easily Blinded by his greed I guess.
Stuart
Um, yeah I think he put that very well that he does seem to have ah a kind of he's in control of that situation that no, there's nothing you can offer me like I have all the power that I want You know what could you even be talking about and then as soon as like you mentioned his jedi oh wait there. There are other jedi what do you mean? and then oh but not just Jedi that you can you know do whatever you want with but children jedi and then he's yeah then is totally yeah.
Scott
Um, yeah, but wait.
Scott
Yeah, that but it's like yeah but I'm happy with everything I got oh but look at this shiny object ooh. Okay, yeah I'll go with you now.
Kyle
I am very excited to see my go ahead I always just to say I'm excited I enjoy hearing about the jedi that just kind of went off on their own after 66 happened I enjoy hearing the. Logue Jedi that are just kind of in hiding.
Tim
What's crazy is that we don't need. There wasn't an order 66 in this from what's been told? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
I was on no order 66 imagines
Scott
There was there was still a there was still like a type of purge. But yeah, it didn't happen the way that at this point it didn't happen the way it happened and revenge the set.
Stuart
Not yet yet. It's just an extermination.
Kyle
Okay.
Tim
Um, yeah, honestly, my my interest in this book tripled after noticing that that was my alternate Universe I Want to see.
Stuart
Um, yeah, speaking of.
Scott
But there was still some type of purge.
Scott
Um, yeah.
Stuart
Um, yeah, speaking of Saba or far um, that name seems to mean something to to poone when he finds out that He's as soon as his name is revealed poon is like oh what do you What do you what do you mean and then later he's talking withdraw and he wants to. He doesn't understand he doesn't he didn't know about the assassination that that the real one is dead the original that that would be a clone. Do you think Saba off was a famous jedi master or that he knew about an assassination or something and Expected this to be like he survived an assassination attempt or what do you guys theory about that.
Scott
Um, could it have been reported to the Jedi that he survived and then word got out like oh he survived.
Kyle
I know I imagine if it was a assassination with 6 Jedi am aship that would be a somewhat big head mind for people in the military.
Tim
I think it's more about the act itself and not necessarily the people involved in it though. Those people may be famous Jedi um, even then I think Pellon's familiarity would come with maybe reading about it and oh that name kind of rings a bell a bit. Um. And the case of this saby off clone himself I think he probably likes the obscurity that he has right now if he's even aware that he's a clone because he can go on his backwater planet and control his people. But I mean there's there's not enough information for me to really speculate beyond that. Yeah.
Scott
A.
Kyle
Then.
Stuart
Um, yeah, certainly more to talk about and see how it ties in coming in later does anybody else have any other thoughts about this chapter.
Scott
um um I liked how the guards I liked how the guards were like hidden in the walls that was cool. Yeah palon thought that that he was talking to him and then suddenly these 2 figures you know, come out of the walls and then leave.
Kyle
There's a good one now.
Tim
Yeah I like that detail too. Yeah.
Tim
That was awesome.
Stuart
Um, it would describe as Scrawny as well with this kind of strange description I felt for.
Scott
Um, we didn't really I get yeah right? It's like.
Kyle
It had to be thin to hide in the warhouse.
Tim
Ah, yeah, ah.
Stuart
Um, right? Although I wonder if they weren't guards per se is just just like door but door boys. What what you call them Doorman door. They're just there to they're just there to open the doors and because.
Scott
Um, ah, ah bell hops but would they have had to have been in. Yeah I Yeah we didn't really.
Kyle
Um, a.
Tim
Door Voice. With crossbows. Yeah they did.
Stuart
You know he's a whole day had crossbows. Okay.
Scott
Talk much about the candles. We kind of briefly mentioned them. But that every Off-worl or visitor gets a candle after sabaath basically fries him with lightning because he's so I he said something about him.
Tim
Oh right.
Scott
You sets up one of I think it was you Stewart said that he didn't you didn't really get a statistic vibe from him I got a very sadistic vibe from him because each look at all these candles. Basically you know I basically a mercilessly electrocutionade needed everybody you know.
Stuart
Do you guys? Do you guys know how candles are made Oh no wait. That's that's so never mind.
Scott
It's made of a new made of a new word. But.
Tim
Ah.
Kyle
I.
Scott
Soap Yeah I think I think.
Stuart
I was going to say that he electrocuted them and then the soification of their their fat as they're being fried was used as fit for the candles. But and that's definitely very sadistic. Yeah.
Tim
Gross. He used their ear wax instead.
Kyle
Yeah.
Stuart
Um, why do you think so many people were coming to weyland.
Tim
Yeah, no, no.
Scott
Yeah I was wondering that too. But I got impression. It was like the room was full of candles. But maybe it was it could have intend for all we know I guess I guess.
Kyle
Was it so many? Um, how many like he's like look at all these candles. How many candles wore there though.
Kyle
I mean None is a lot of people to to kill.
Stuart
Um I don't like it couldn't have been that. Yeah it couldn't have been that small though because thran assumes that it is the the locals paying homage to the to the previous guardian.
Tim
8 Yeah.
Scott
Oh yeah, the fallen. Yeah yeah, right, it would.
Tim
It could be big candles.
Stuart
So would have to well would have to like they would have to be so numerous as to seem to come from the local or equal the population of or whatever was there. So yeah, visually It would be hundreds or at least a hundred probably.
Scott
That's kind of what I got the impression. Yeah I got there's at least a None or so.
Stuart
Um, so a quite popular world to be visiting.
Tim
Maybe it's a popular popular destination to go and unplug or whatever like like those no cell phone cabins. Yeah yeah, oh no here.
Scott
Yeah, well he had 1 visitor talk yeah live in this cabin for a week and you get $100000 where no cell phone. No internet.
Tim
Here in Georgia near me. There are actually some cabins you can go to where they have safes or you can put your phones away in yeah, so could be something like that. Lots of people from corrasant.
Scott
Yeah, seriously they don't know what a tree looks like.
Tim
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Stuart
Um, oh right.
Tim
Yeah, really cool chapter Overall I'm really excited to see what's next.
Stuart
Um, yeah yeah I like how that already some of the dominoes that have been set up in the previous chapters. The interplay between peleon and Thron and Rook and The going to collect the isilamari and there's just like there's dominoes being lined up or things things are being connected in the chain that just like it feels like a good progression of things. It's not um, yeah.
Tim
It does. It was nice to have that acted upon so soon.
Stuart
But yeah I think as as you said, it's very good to set things up and have some payoff quite early because you know it shows good faith in in storytelling and you know it's not just continual setup setup setup setup that things have.
Tim
Ah see.
Tim
Yes.
Stuart
Weight in the universe and they're moving in certain directions. This is I find that's yeah, good storytelling.
Tim
Yes, definitely I am excited to see what happens next.