Eastbourne 4 Pin Summer League - sponsored by
Why use Mid Sussex’s site for this, you may ask ?
Well, 4-Pin activity in Sussex has shifted dramatically to the EAST. There was a 4-Pin League centred around Crawley and Horsham, and Eastbourne participated with great success.....then suddenly, apart from one Crawley team, all the interest was in Eastbourne and Hastings with nothing in the region in between:
Mid Sussex was what you might say a 'black hole' as far as 4-Pin was concerned.
Now SUDDENLY three prominent Mid Sussex members are taking part in the Hall & Woodhouse-sponsored Eastbourne League - with the prospect of four experienced 4-Pinners applying to make a return to Mid Sussex, so there is the prospect of a ready-made M-S Interleague challenge team !
So, with the Eastbourne website no longer being maintained, and Horsham/Crawley having lost interest rather, it would seem practical to continue 4-Pin coverage on the website which lies geographically betwixt and between and we will accordingly be following the progress of Mid-Sussex's Big Three:
- Darren Newnham and Dave Knight for the Black Lion, Halland, and
- Bob Hall for the Royal Eastbourne Hospital Social Club.
When it came down to it, all of the Mid Sussex triumvirate came away with honours, Darren and Dave managing Runners-up with Black Lion, and Bob going one better as part of the winning Hospital team. - Clive T 25/8/2016
4-Pin activity for Year 4 (2016)…………….
01 Oct 2016
A friendly match took place today between The Bay Horse Sudbury and the Eastbourne League (a repeat of the Bay Horse v Hastings match played on Sat 9th Aug 2014)
Another enjoyable day at the Bay Horse with the narrow table, took too long for us to get used to again but still great fun with the nice crowd of locals pitting their cues against a team of Eastbourne 4 pin wide table stalwarts
Sudbury rules in tow today, toss for break, though double break, must play the red, base line in play, any pocket of any cushions to finish
Three rounds were played from 10am to 6pm, Scores as follows:
Round 1 Bay Horse (10,930) 5 - 1 (4130) Eastbourne
Brenden Hoare 1700 v 0 Colin Southouse (last Ball Game Colin BP'd needing 200 to win)
Steve Hale 2540 v 390 Bob Osborne ( Bob Bp'd late on)
Jeremy Fry 1290 v 1300 Phil Osborne ( Phil won with a last ball 200)
Jason Lawrence 1720 v 530 Chris Haynes
Colin Norlage 1730 v 700 Peter Payne
Dave Lillie 1650 v 1110 Mike Reilly
Round 2 Bay Horse (8290) 4 - 2 (7080) Eastbourne
Dell Atton 750 v 2060 Colin Southouse
Dave Lillie 1590 v 830 Bob Osborne
Brenden Hoare 1320 v 700 Chris Haynes
Jason Lawrence 1180 v 570 Peter Payne
Colin Norlage 1190 v 680 Mike Reilly
Steve Hale 1960 v 2240 Phil Osborne
Round 3 Bay Horse (10,330) 3 - 4 (9250) Eastbourne
Jeremy Fry 1170 v 1320 Colin Southosue
Dell Atton 1600 v 1260 Mike Reilly
Jason Lawrence 1770 v 1240 Peter Payne
Dave Lillie 2260 v 230 Chris (BP) Haynes
Colin Norlage 980 v 1380 Phil Osborne
Brenden Hoare 1410 v 1880 Bob Osborne
Steve Hale 1140 v 1940 Peter Payne
Final Score 12 - 7 Well done the Bay Horse team for a good win, with the visitors losing too many breaks again, looking forward to next year up north i'm sure will will do better.
Undefeated players were Dave Lillie, Jason Lawrence and Phil Osborne.
Thanks to Dave for inviting us up there again - Colin Southouse
It was a really fun day down the Bay Horse and we can’t thank the Eastbourne gang enough for coming up to Suffolk and taking part.
Under orders from tommo, I decided to take the day semi-seriously and didn’t have my first beer until 20 past 10, cheers to Colin.
Once again the narrow top played its part, there were no big scores or breaks, only four final scores of over 2000. But for us it was all about taking part and having some fun and that wouldn’t have happened if the Eastbourne players hadn’t joined in and played in the true spirit of four pin, there was plenty of friendly banter throughout the entire day.
I think we must single out Chris Haynes for not only teaching everyone the black peg shots, but then after over 8 hours of playing he still managed to organise a game of ‘Killer’ to finish off a great day. Although how Jason managed to win is a mystery and an even greater mystery is how the prize pot was over £15
Once again Thank you to each and every one of the Eastbourne team for making the trip up to Suffolk and making it such a fun day and we are looking forward to coming down for a return match in the near future - Dave Lillie, Bay Horse team
(HALL AND WOODHOUSE) EASTBOURNE SUMMER 4-PIN LEAGUE
RESULTS - MATCH REPORTS - LEAGUE TABLES - PLAYER AVERAGES
Curtain fell on the season with:
INTERLEAGUE CHALLENGE EASTBOURNE 5 MID SUSSEX 2 @REHSC (31/8/2016)
Mike Reilly** 2140 v 1310 Rob Hall
Chris Haynes 1190 v 1740 Paul Jobbins**
Peter Payne 1300 v 2150 Darren Newnham**
Colin Southouse** 3860 v 880 Clive Thompson
Phil Osborne 1340 v 1170 Graham Sparksman**
Gareth Dell 3490 v 1310 Dave Knight**
Bob Osborne** 2430 v 1370 Mick Holmwood
Gareth Dell 1200, 1040
Colin Southouse 1010)
A match played in good spirit on an unforgiving Hospital table, Well done to Mid Sussex who proved more resistant than expected with Paul and Darren grinding out unexpected wins for the visitors, Rob and Graham also providing a stern challenge for their opponents. Trophies supplied by Hall & Woodhouse (via Tommo) were handed out thus:
League Winners: Hospital
League R/U: Black Lion
Hi Score Colin Southouse: 7940
Best Performance Phil Osborne: 14/16 Wins
Hi Break: Nigel Senior 5420 (will pass on Trophy next time I see him)
Looking forward to next season’s 4 pin already with an interleague match at the end at a Mid Sussex venue, should be a tougher match with Mid Sussex possibly the favourites.
Thanks to Peter/Chris for hosting last night and for providing some nice food.
Next 4 pin on a narrow table at the Bay Horse Sudbury on 1st Oct should be a close match too... - regards, Colin Southouse
Many thanks to Colin for arranging the evening - a pleasant one spent in good company - and the food, which went down well and very quickly ! - Clive T
Please see final stats……….
We had 24 players involved this year, a new record for 4 Pin in Sussex !
It seems everyone playing enjoyed the experience and hope that we can even get a few more interested next year. Many thanks for your continued support.
Kind regards to all, Colin Southouse.
(HALL AND WOODHOUSE) EASTBOURNE SUMMER 4-PIN LEAGUE - FINAL TABLE
(If points are equal, then highest no. of away legs won, then team average)
FINAL AVERAGES (WK 10)
Week 10 of 10 (23/8/2016)
Hollingbury 0 - 6 REHSC
Kim 1460 Bob Osborne 1600
Colin 1270 Bob Hall 1500
Brian 1250 Phil 3010
Kim 1230 Bob Hall 2220
Colin 1250 Phil 1890
Brian 1340 Bob Osborne 1690
Bob Oz 510
Phil Oz 1020 620 590 710
Bob Hall 540)
Another good evening bringing the league to a close well done to my team as well as the subs used well done in particular to Bob Hall in his first full season and a big thank you to Colin Southouse for running the league and to Tommo for arranging the sponsorship. Regards PO
Hospital only needed a draw away to the Hollingbury to take the title………..
Well Done Chaps, trophies will be handed out at the Mid Sussex v Eastbourne inter-league clash on Wednesday 31st at the Hospital Club, (expected score 7-0 to Eastbourne) - Colin Southouse
I would just like to say a fantastic competition and was great to play with Phil and Bob, Phil is a master at this and was always on form as always an enjoyable night and to win the competition is fantastic so well done guys and thank you to Colin for running it - Bob Hall, REHSC
Seven Sisters 3 - 3 Star
gareth 2950 (brk 890) peter 260 (brks 960,640,510, black pegged at bar!)
gareth 1710 fred 1960 (brk 700)
chris 1430 tony 2710 (brk 600)
chris 3530 (brks 850,510,870) peter 3980 (brks 540,730,900)
gareth 2650 (brks 530,540) tony 210
chris 2790 (brks 600,800) fred 2260
we only had 2, so played 3 times with only one break and star had 4 breaks, thought it was fair,peter agreed!
some interesting shots but i believe sisters won the 200 shot count!!!! - Chris Haynes
Black Lion - Bye
Week 9 of 10 (16/8/2016)
Black Lion 5 -1 Seven Sisters
Darren Newnham** 1260 v 3280 Chris Haynes (brks 530,570)
Dave Knight** (brk 680) 2410 v 2190 Mike Reilly (brks 620,640)
Colin Southouse**(brks 630,910,2000) 5030 v 430 Gareth Dell
Darren Newnham (brks 590,570) 2330 v 1390 Mike Reilly**
Dave Knight (brk 750) 2110 v 2020 Gareth Dell** (brk 820)
Colin Southouse (brk 1090) 1930 v 1660 Chris Haynes (brk 650)
All but 1 game very close and the luck went with the Homies tonight the result could easily have gone the other way.
Colin lost 2x 1k breaks in his 1st while Chris lost a well built break of 1500 in the last to seal the Sisters’ fate and give the Lion a chance to finish top, a bye in the last of the summer league - Colin Southouse
Star 2 v 4 Hollingbury
*Peter Payne (brks 880, 1010) 3100 v Kim Hurley 730
*James 1090 v Colin Green 1160
No player v Brian Bartram W/o
Peter Payne (brk 1390) 3410 v *Colin Green 960
James 1450 v *Brian Bartram 1980
No player v Kim Hurley W/o
Peter only had the one player James which was a press ganged Pool player - Cheers, Colin Green
Apologies sent to Peter as I forgot to call the rest of his reserves after a mislaid mobile on Monday night doh ! - Colin Southouse
REHSC - Bye
Week 8 of 10 (09/8/2016)
REHSC 4 - 2 Star
Bob Osborne 1610 v Alec Pope 1690
Dave White 1530 v Tony Smith 1380
Phil Osborne 2130 v Peter Payne 1350
Dave White 1190 v Alec Pope 410
Phil Osborne 3990 v Tony Smith 540
Bob Osborne 1080 v Peter Payne 3140
Phil 1570 1070 840 720
Peter 660 - Regards, Phil Osborne
Hollingbury 0 - 6 Black Lion
Kim Hurley**(brk 550)1370 v 1450 Darren Newnham
Brian Bartram** 360 v 2410 Dave Knight
Colin Green** 820 v 3900 Colin Southouse (brk 1440)
Kim Hurley 870 v 1700 Dave Knight** (brk 570)
Brian Bartram 650 v 6570 Colin Southouse** (brks 1210,1210,1260,1690)
Colin Green 1270 v 1300 Darren Newnham**
Nice evening with the Hollingbury, plenty of discussion re all things bar billiards between the 2 Colins, Nice to see our New Boys winning both Games tonight and a particular WELL DONE to Knighty tonight - Colin Southouse
Seven Sisters - Bye
Week 7 (26/7/2016)
Seven Sisters 4 - 2 Hollingbury
Evening all, had a visit from Hollingbury this evening,.........
chris 1830 (brk 740) v Brian 1690, nip and tuck throughout
mick 2640 (brks 550, 750) v Dave Bartram1050
gareth 1760 v Colin 2070 (brks 670, 650)
chris 3090 (brk 560) v Dave Bartram 1520
mick 1830 (brks 520, 920) v Colin 3040 (brk 1340)
gareth 1990 (brks 520, 810) v Kim 1680,
I think Mr Green knew table as played it far better than any home player tonight, Gareth’s break of 810 only potting 5 balls (whites) was quite impressive, hot dogs and chips, bit of banter, just what you want on a billiards night! - Chris Haynes
Black Lion 2 - 4 REHSC
Darren Newnham** 1090 v 3820 Phil Osborne (brks 1050,640,750,580)
Dave Knight** 900 v 3640 Bob Osborne (brks 540,670,740)
Colin Southouse** (brks 600,660,1320) 3910 v 1390 Rob Hall (brks 680,520)
Darren Newnham 2420 v 2160 Bob Osborne**(brk 500)
Dave Knight 1260 v 2110 Rob Hall**(brk 650)
Colin Southouse (brks 620,1100,1150) 3000 v 3230 Phil Osborne**(brks 1670,620)
Great match even though we lost, with the final game against Phil being the best so far with the bar coming down at the right or wrong time depending on which side you were on, plenty of comment throughout and plenty of laughs and excellent food at the interval - Colin Southouse
Star - Bye
Week 6 (19/7/2016)
Star 3 - 3 Black Lion
Peter Payne**(brks 799,680,1140) 3830 v 1340 Darren Newnham
Tony Smith** (brks 550,640) 1370 v 3190 Colin Southouse (brks 1000,680,1510)
Fred Pope** 1370 v 1420 Dave Knight
Peter Payne (brk 630) 2250 v 1660 Colin Southouse**(brk 520)
Tony Smith (brks 650,710) 2930 v 900 Dave Knight**
Fred Pope 950 v 1180 Darren Newnham
The Star table got trickier as the night progressed but another fair result despite some silly billy managing to lose a 2k break!! - Colin Southouse
REHSC 5 - 1 Seven Sisters
Well, sisters visited the hospital and got a full rectal surgery!!!!
bob hall 2280 (brk 740) mick 1300, 1-0,
phil 3300 (brk 2100) chris 830,2-0
bob 2190 (brk 680) gareth 1530,3-0
you're seeing a pattern emerge here!
bob hall 2970 (brk 750) chris 220 (brk 600) 4-0!
phil 2320 (brk 810) gareth 1740 5-0!!!!!
bob 2110 (brk 640) mick 2230 (brk 900)
So 5-1 to hospital well deserved winners this evening, nice bit of grub, and oh, phil lost 1000 brk too!!!! - Chris Haynes
Hollingbury - Bye
Week 5 (12/7/2016)
REHSC 3 - 3 Hollingbury
*Bob Osborne 1520 Colin Green 2330
*Jamie Millihane 1600 Kim Hurley 730
*Phil Osborne 3910 Brian Bartram 970
Bob Osborne 1640 *Kim Hurley 800
Jamie Millihane 1530 *Brian Bartram 2280
Phil Osborne 2040 *Colin Green 2270
(Breaks: Phil 650,1760,1010,580,590.
Thanks to the Hollingbury for altering the play to suit our late arrivals and someone has nicked our black mushroom replacement ordered. Regards, Phil Osborne
Star 2 - 4 Seven Sisters
well star played sisters tonight on a table that rolled everywhere apart from the break!!!!!!!!!!!
Tony Smith 1380 v Mick Reilly 2020 (brk 620)
Peter Payne 3510 (brks 970,600 and 570) v Chris Haynes 1600
Alec Pope 1460 v Gareth Dell 2090 (brk 560)
Tony 2560 v Chris 3700 (brks 510 and they think 720)
Peter 3260 (brk 840) v Gareth 410
Alec 1270 v Mick 1580,
Was hoping for some good scores but alas table wasn't good enough to help out ! - Chris Haynes
Black Lion - Bye
Week 4 (05/07/16)
Seven Sisters 4 - 2 Black Lion
Gareth Dell** (brk 610) 2650 v 1510 Dave Knight
Chris Haynes** 170 v 1720 Darren Newnham (brk 530)
Mike Reilly** (brks 890,610,530) 2730 v 640 Colin Southouse
Gareth Dell (brk 850) 2600 v 1120 Darren Newnham**
Chris Haynes (brks 500,1000) 1000 v 2200 Colin Southouse** (brk 520)
Mike Reilly (brks 930,1110,1780) 5560 v 710 Dave Knight**
The visitors failed to get to grips with the Sisters top tonight with plenty of breaks lost, especially from both skippers. Mike Reilly being the jewel in the crown with a new PB of 5560 and a glut of nice breaks - Colin Southouse
An interesting evening at the Sisters, a 4-2 home win with the luckless home captain losing both his games! But a good evening with the usual banter that colin brings, few lucky shots that can’t be taught, and a few unlucky shots that should never have been played! mostly by me !!!! - Chris Haynes
Hollingbury 0 - 6 Star
Brian Bartrum 940 v Fred Pope 1620 (brk 530).
Colin Green 1610 v Peter Payne 1810 (brk 530)
Kim Hurley (brk 530) 940 v Mick Daw 1810 (brk 760)
Dave Jones 960 v Peter Payne 1770 (brk 670)
Colin Green 1420 v Mick Daw 2060 (brk 1210)
Kim Hurley 840 v Fred Pope 1700.
Result 0-6 to The Star but a good evening enjoyed by everyone. - Colin Southouse
REHSC - Bye
Week 3 (28/6/2016)
A pitch invasion during this match - mind you, they’re all pussies out Eastbourne way !
Star 1 - 5 REHSC
Stewart Chant 640 Phil Osborne 2350
Jamie Minihane 1020 Bob Hall 1410
Peter Payne 2290 Alec Pope 2180
Peter Payne 1340 Phil Osborne 2500
Stewart Chant 1250 Bob Hall 1630
Jamie Minihane 1150 Alec Pope 1200
(Peter 550 and 700 breaks; Phil 1100 and 610 breaks; Alec 550 break) - Phil Osborne
Black Lion 4 - 2 Hollingbury
Dave Knight 1410 v 2270 Brian Bartrum (brk 680)
Colin Southouse (brks 1070,1020,1330 & 2160) 5580 v 1640 Nigel Senior (brk 1570)
Darren Newnham (brks 860,700,660) 3390 v 1460 Joe Oakley (brk 670)
Dave Knight 530 v 7460 Nigel Senior (brks 1920,5420)
Colin Southouse (brks 2700,540) 4220 v 1300 Joe Oakley
Darren Newnham (brks 1020,600,670) 2670 v 2510 Brian Bartrum (brks 540,570)
Mr Senior showing his class tonight with a 5k + break and was well on the way to 10k but for a lost 2k near the end…..Left handed break a lot easier than right handed, but all got it to some extent, with plenty of ways to attack the 100 hole.
A close last game which could have saved a draw for the visitors - Colin Southouse
Seven Sisters - Bye
Week 2 (21/6/2016)
Hollingbury 1 - 5 Seven Sisters
Well tonight was a scrappy affair on a very difficult Hollingbury top, 5-1 to the Sisters somehow! Colin Green 980 v Chris Haynes 1220
Joe Oakley 2000 (brk 550) v Mick Reilly 1280
Brian Bartrum 1310 v Gareth Dell 1630 (brk 700)
Joe Oakley 1110 v Chris Haynes 1440
Brian Bartrum 1130 v Mick Reilly 1610
Colin Green 1400 v Gareth Dell 2360 (brks 580, 510)
Thanks to Colin for a banter fuelled evening. - Chris Haynes
REHSC 3 - 3 Black Lion
Phil Osborne 1650 v 1130 Darren Newnham
Mike Daw 1450 v 1680 Fred Pope (brk 540)(last ball red in the 200 to win)
Bob Hall 2050 v 2350 Colin Southouse
Phil Osborne (brks 820 & 1530) 3550 v 1730 Dave Knight (brk 550)
Mike Daw (brks 1480 & 1790) 4120 v 1260 Colin Southouse
Bob Hall bp v 2440 Fred Pope (brks 640 & 710)
A nice evening on the whippy Hospital top, the visitors fielded 4 players tonight, plenty of opportunities for all with only Mike Daw getting to grips with the 50/50 break and the visitors lucky to come away with a draw thanks to Fred Pope’s 2 wins. - Colin Southouse
Star - Bye
Week 1 (14/6/2016)
Black Lion 5 - 1 Star
Dave Knight (brks 740 & 500) 2750 v 1090 Alec Pope
Darren Newnham 1610 v 740 Fred Pope
Colin Southouse (brks 1670,1010,2020 & 3240) 7940 v 0 Peter Payne
Dave Knight (brk 600) 2020 v 1590 Fred Pope (brks 580 & 500)
Darren Newnham (brks 690 & 830) 2580 v 2890 Peter Payne (brks 2010 & 530)
Colin Southouse (brks 570 & 1700) 3040 v 320 Alec Pope
A great match with loads of fun and plenty of shots attacking the 200 hole
Nice sausage ‘n’ Chips at the interval - Colin Southouse
Seven Sisters 3 - 3 REHSC
Mick Reilly played Phil Osborne: Mick 2090 to Phil’s 3010 (breaks of 950, 1380)
Chris Haynes 2390 to Bob Hall’s 2410 (I had 890, bob had 940, if i'd missed the peg with last shot i would've won!!!!!)
Gareth Dell 1620 to Bob Osborne’s 2360, no high breaks! bit scrappy!
3-0 down half way!
Mick Reilly played Bob Hall, Mick scoring 3690 (breaks 600,830 and 1240), to Bob’s 1610
Chris Haynes played Bob Osborne, Chris scoring 4080 (breaks 1050 and 830) to Bob’s 1800 (break of 720)
Gareth Dell scored 2730 (break of 1830) against Phil Osborne’s 2400 (breaks of 650,720)
A thoroughly enjoyable evening and a fair result in end! - Chris Haynes
A game of two halves ! -Ed.
Hollingbury - Bye
Darren in practice
So all three Mid-Sussexers (Dave, Darren, Bob) off to a win.......
But some awesome scoring from Colin - surely 7940 must hold for the rest of the campaign and is surely not a sign of things to come ?? - Ed
LIST OF FIXTURES
EASTBOURNE 4-PIN RULES
1. All 3 player teams shall play all other 3 player teams in the league at home and away. Venues will be agreed by committee before the league commences. Registered players can only play for 1 team per season , designated reserves and new unregistered players can play without prior notice, and play for any team. The summer league is sponsored this year by Halls and Woodhouse so each team shall not pay to the league the registration fee of £5.00
2. Matches shall consist of 3 players playing 2 games in each session. The home players (1,2 & 3) and Visitors players (3,4 & 5)names will be drawn prior to the match starting, The Home players shall have the break in the 1st 3 games, the opponents will have the break in the 2nd 3 Games in the following format. Player1 v player 4, Player 2 v Player 5,Player 3 v Player 6, Player 5 v Player 1, Player 6 v Player 2, Player 4 v Player3.
4. Teams will not be able to adjust the playing date and times without the agreement of the committee
5. Matches shall be played on Tuesday evenings starting at 8.00pm.
6. Players will be expected to score matches when they are not playing . The scores in each game will be recorded and sent to the secretary within 3 days preferably by e-mail or text. A one point penalty will be enforced should results not be sent. All breaks over 500 will be recorded for each player in each game. One Point shall be awarded to the player winning each leg.
7. A copy of these rules should be available at each venue. Disputes will be resolved at the venue by mutual agreement of the attending captains. In the event of no agreement both captains should bring the dispute to the attention of the committee within 3 days with both versions of the incident, the decisions of the committee will be final
8. Should any team withdraw from competition before all the fixtures have been completed, the committee will ensure that match results will be adjusted to ensure the fairest possible outcome will result
9. The funds of the league shall be deposited in a bank account with two signatories. Two signatories must sign all cheques.
10. The league officers shall consist of a chairman, secretary, treasurer & such others as the AGM may decide to appoint.
11. The AGM will be held after the completion of the league season & prior to the commencement of the following season, unless otherwise decided by the membership at an extraordinary meeting. Interim business will be dealt with by the committee, which will meet as necessary.
12. Members of the league may call a general meeting if more than 7 Members wish to do so. Members may also request a committee meeting if more than 5 members wish to do so.
13. All other business of the league shall be conducted in accordance with the wishes of the AGM.
14. The league may expel any member who is adjudged to have deliberately disregarded the rules of the league if such action is called for by a majority of the membership
15. No opposing team players shall move or adjust the table unless a specific request is made from either members of the Home Side or the Landlord.
Rules of Play
1. In all matches, a coin shall be tossed to determine the order of play. The away player to call.
2. 4 Mushrooms (not pegs) should be placed in front of the 4 high scoring holes. There must be 7 White balls and 1 red ball in the tray after the timer jack is pulled. To start the game, place the red ball on the spot above the 'D' and play a white ball from the centre of the 'D'. This is called the break shot. The centre of the 'D' should be marked with a spot. Thereafter, with the exception of further break shots, and the last ball, either coloured ball may be played from any position within the confines of the 'D'. All strokes throughout the game must be played from the 'D'.
3. The player must not play the cue ball directly into a hole. The cue ball must first strike another ball to become a scoring shot.
4. When the red ball is sunk, the score of that ball is doubled. When 2 Balls are sunk from the break shot position on 3 consecutive occasions into the same pockets the scorer will call “Alternate shot” if both ball fall in the same hole a foul is called
5. When all balls are in play, and none left in the tray, the ball nearest to the baulk line is returned and played from the 'D' to continue the game. If two or more balls are equidistant from the baulk line the ball nearest to the centre should be returned to continue play as it is "nearest to the D".
6. When no balls are left in play, the red and white balls are positioned as for the start of the game.
7. When a ball returns to cut the baulk line ( not the edge of the baize), that ball is removed to the tray.
8. If a mushroom is knocked over by a ball and cannot be replaced because of obstruction by a ball, that ball shall be removed to the tray. The peg must be replaced to its correct position immediately.
9. If a mushroom is knocked from its correct position without falling over, if possible it shall be immediately replaced on its spot, if a ball is obstructing the spot the mushroom will remain in its position until such time as that ball is moved from the spot then be mushroom should be immediately replaced correctly. If a break ends the mushroom will be respotted and the ball returned to the tray.
10. If a ball and peg are wedged in a hole together, the peg is to be removed first and the ball allowed to drop down the hole and not returned to the tray even after the gate has dropped.
11. Each player continues until a non-scoring shot is played.
12. Once a player leaves the table their break is deemed over, should a ball fall down a hole after they have left the table this will not count towards their break or their opponents break unless their opponent has first struck the cue ball whether or not it strikes another ball.
13. Scores shall have the same value before and after the gate has dropped. The red ball will continue to score double.
14. The last ball on the table shall be played from the centre of the 'D', into either 50,100 or 200 holes only off one side cushion only. If the last ball is correctly played, but not holed, the player keeps the score of that break.
1. The player loses his/her entire score if :-
a. The last ball is holed without striking the side cushion.
b. The player causes the peg covering the 200 hole to be knocked over.
2. The player loses the score of that break if :-
1. The cue ball fails to strike another ball.
2. Any ball returns to cut the baulk line (not the edge of the baize). (The 'D' counts as baulk).
3. The same break shot is played more than three times in succession.
4. The player causes any peg, other than that covering the '200' hole, to be knocked over.
5. The player fails to keep 1 ball up when instructed by the scorerDeleted
6. Any ball leaves the table, or strikes the backboard, even if that ball returns to the normal play area.
7. Any ball is played other than from the 'D'.
8. The player causes any ball to move other than a shot played correctly from the 'D'.
9. If a break shot or final ball is not played from the centre of the 'D'.
3. If a combination of foul shots occur, then, regardless of sequence of events, the player shall suffer the greater penalty.
The table shall be set out as follows:
• Mushrooms shall be placed (the baulk line side) to cover the 200 hole, the 100 hole, and the two 50 holes and shall be set 6mm from the edge of the hole + or – 1mm
• The spot for the red ball for the break shall be exactly halfway between the rim of the 200 hole closest to the baulk line, and the back edge of the “D”
• The number of balls shall be seven white and one red.
• Tables must be maintained in good condition, and spare cues and chalk must always be provided.
NOTE - FOR CURRENT NATIONAL 4-PIN RANKINGS, BASED ON THE EAST ANGLIAN OPENS HELD SO FAR, CHECK OUT THE FOLLOWING LINK:
4-Pin activity for Year 3 (2015)…………….
FIRST ENGLAND CHALLENGE MATCH……….
On Saturday 25th July 2015, an England Select team of eight including 3 of our league players Clive Thompson, Colin Southouse and Phil Osborne, responded to a request for a friendly 4-Pin challenge match and journeyed to the Bay Horse in Sudbury.(Suffolk)
Despite England using players with the cumulative best performances in the first 3 East Anglian Opens, the Bay Horse ran out triumphant winners by 11-5.
Aside from the embarrassing defeat, a good day was enjoyed by all with the pub offering excellent hospitality – and it is hoped that this will now become a regular annual fixture. - CT 27/07/2015
Scores (home team first):
Group 1 Results Bay Horse 6 v 2 England
1. Dave Lillie 620 v 2190 Colin Southouse
2. Jeremy Fry 2800 v 2470 Mal Spier
3. Alisdaire Carnegie 2880 v 1290 Michelle Baden
4. Brenden Hoare 1210 v 1280 Phil Osborne
5. Chris Drake 1890 v 1740 Nigel Senior
6. Steve Hale 2080 v 1520 Curt Driver
7. Colin Norlage 1760 v 1750 Simon Coleman
8. Jason Lawrence 2970 v 1240 Clive Thompson
Group 2 Results Bay Horse 5 v 3 England
(Lowest previous scores from each side played then the next lowest and so on...)
9. Dave Lillie 2320 v 2290 Clive Thompson
10. Brenden Hoare 1530 v 1550 Phil Osborne
11. Colin Norlage BP(x4) v 1370 Michelle Baden
12. Chris Drake 2110 v 1240 Curt Driver
13. Steve Hale 3970 v 250 Nigel Senior
14. Jeremy Fry 3850 v BP Simon Coleman
15. Alisdaire Carnegie 3080 v 2100 Colin Southouse
16. Jason Lawrence 1410 v 2320 Mal Spier
The players’ reactions………………..
“Plenty of games going to the last Ball (Games 4,5,7,9 &10.) Well done to the Bay Horse team, who were a lot stronger than last year vs Ashburnham Arms, nice to see some progress. The visitors struggled to score on the break leaving the hosts to capitalise on some easy starts too often
Thanks to Chris Drake for looking after us so well and to all The Bay Horse team who made the day an enjoyable one, I think we might give them more to think about next time round.
Well done to Dave Lillie and Curt for making the match happen” - Colin Southouse
“A great day, well worth making the effort: road layout improvement west of Colchester meaning journey only took 2 hours. We were looked after very well, a sumptuous breakfast greeted our arrival, and a great hot chilli for lunch. Many thanks for such great hospitality.
Well, England Select got a good old-fashioned spanking on the narrow table.....but well done to the Bay Horse, the increase in confidence (and competence !) of their players over the last year was great to witness: some of them may well be short odds for next year's Open.
All the Bay Horse players played like demons, all looked like they were capable of 3k each game. I was well impressed with the 'bottle' displayed by Colin Norlage in his comeback in the first game, and Dave Lillee's 1350 break against me in the second game, which included 3 consecutive shots into the 200 hole !
Most importantly, we were amongst friends and long may that continue.” - Clive Thompson
“A very enjoyable day of billiards in Sudbury yesterday. Well done to the Bay Horse team that really showed us how to play 4- pin on a narrow table. Hopefully we can visit again next year to have another go ? Well done to Phil Osborne who won both games for us” - Curt Driver (England captain)
“Good match, thanks to Curt and Dave for organising it. The narrow table certainly played its part in the match, I never really got to grips with a decent break shot which I think could be said for most the England team.
Hopefully this could be an annual fixture I am sure we could give the Bay Horse a better run for our money next time.” - Nigel Senior
“Great day, great fun, great hospitality....and some bar billiards too. Many thanks to our hosts from the Bay Horse, and to the organisers (from both sides) - I echo others in saying it would be good to make this an annual fixture.“ - Mal Spier
“It was a great day at the Bay and I really do hope it was enjoyed by all. While this was just a bit of fun and the result never really mattered it was of course nice to win.
The table certainly played it's part and us 4 pinners felt things had been reversed. At our Open we play on tables that most of us only see once a year while the three pinners play on them regularly, this time we were playing on a table we knew, it really is such shame we can’t get 8 narrow tables for our Open.
I'm sure next year will be different, although I'm not too sure where you will find another narrow table to practise on, but at the end of the day it is only a bit of fun. I think the day was topped off by the food that Kayla and Charlie put out for everyone
Once again a big thank you to all the England players, see you all next year.” - Dave Lillie, Sudbury BB League
Eastbourne 4-Pin Summer League, run in lieu of Crawley 4-Pin League for Summer 2015
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The Sussex Summer 4-Pin League, now in its third year, was staged this time around by Eastbourne and included for the first time a team from Brighton (the Hollingbury): All in all it was a huge success once more.
The plan for expansion to anything up to 12 teams (with the formation of extra divisions) remains on the back burner but this will only come about if teams are found to take part within the two extremities of Horsham and Hastings. Sponsorship has been secured for the next two years to raise the profile and hopefully attract more interest.
The season finished with the traditional 7-a-side Inter-League challenge, this time staged at the Windmill (Crawley). Given below is the match scorecard and a write-up:
4-PIN INTER-LEAGUE CHALLENGE MATCH @Windmill Crawley
*Even breaks all games.
Another fun night of 4 pin. Notable breaks:
1590 Phil Osborne
1070 Chris Haynes
1070 Stewart Chant
1070 Stewart Chant
2000 brk lost by Peter Payne; More points lost than kept Joe Oakley, though Joe is well on the way to being a good 4 pin player.
The "away" home table proved decisive tonight with the Hollingbury boys struggling to keep scores. But still a great version to be mastered, nice to hear sponsorship secured for the next 2 years…… hopefully some of those following this will put their names down to play next year. - Colin Southouse
A fair assessment from Colin, and a pleasant evening enjoyed by all. The Crawley contingent were a bit depleted (Tony unable to make it) and yours truly was as much use to the team as a chocolate teapot !
A hat-trick of wins now for Eastbourne, but many thanks to the Brighton boys for giving their all and helping us to improve on last year's result.
The joy about having a one-off annual Interleague challenge is that we can reach our own compromise on the format ! Breaks 1-4-7 and 2-3-5-6 is in the tradition of Sussex Interleague, with the addition of 'balls back for 2nd player' which both of us have championed in the past. Whilst reverting back to the 'good old days' of having a random draw rather than captains’ nominations. - Clive T
I thought Tuesday’s match was best evening so far, looking forward to seeing you all again next year for more fun and frolics - and of course more 4 pin ! - Chris Haynes
4-Pin activity for Year 2 (2014)............
Members of the Bay Horse took on representative teams from (old) Eastbourne and Hastings today at the Ashburnham Arms (Hastings)
Dave Lillie bought a 7 man team down from Sudbury and a couple of old faces in the form of Sav who came over by train and Tommo who bought over some Horsham 4 pin trophies from their summer league.
After a few last minute adjustments due to babies and illness all was ready, with spots and mushrooms on a table that had never before had them so festooned, There were several pretty inexperienced players on show who were willing to have a go and thanks to them for their support today.
As previously we gave our guests the opportunity to have a couple of practice games to ensure that they were familiar with the table
We decided that we would alter the rules to double break as the Bay horse were playing 2 games to our 1, it seemed the right thing to do.
Result card for Eastbourne v Bay Horse Sudbury, 01/11/2014
Chris Haynes 3030 v 2060 Alisdaire Carnegie
Mike Reilly 1540 v 3260 Colin Norledge
Peter Payne 3360 v 2830 Chris Saville
Stewart Chant 1850 v 1990 Steve Hale
Colin Southouse 4010 v 1230 Jeremy Fry
Dave White 1920 v 1310 Dave Lillie
Clive Thompson 2630 v 2340 Jason Laurence
Result Eastbourne Won 5-2
Result card for Hastings v Bay Horse
Phil Osborne 3230 v 1600 Chris Saville
Sandy Harmer 2000 v bp Alisdaire Carnegie
Fred Pope 1180 v 2520 Colin Norledge
Mike Daw 1820 v 1260 Dave Lillie
Roy Harmer 920 v 3590 Jeremy Fry
Bob Osborne 3100 v 3140 Steve Hale
Peter Payne 3360 v 1300 Jason Laurence
Result Hastings win 4-3
Another great day of 4 pin looks like there will be a repeat home and away next year, already looking forward to it.
Today's notable breaks
Chris Haynes 2000
Peter Payne 1940
Phil Osborne 1330
Colin Norledge 1230
Colin Southouse 1200 - Regards, Colin Southouse
The magnetic pull of the 4-Pin Eastbourne v Sudbury challenge proved too much for tommo to resist, and to his own surprise he found himself heading south and east on a sunny Saturday afternoon ! Highlights of the journey were the vastly-improved stretch of the A23 now opened (3 lanes all the way down to Bolney without the horrible speed restrictions) and Hastings seafront with its regency architecture, the sun to my right reflecting off the gentle waves.
First face I saw when entering the Ashburnham was Mr Sav, who had been drafted in as Sudbury's 'ringer' so any qualms I may have had over guesting for the Eastern half of the county were removed when I was asked to fill in for Gareth Dell (on paternal duties).
A most enjoyable event ensued in a relaxed and sporting atmosphere, with plenty of banter from either side. The two 'ringers' managed both the unluckiest and the luckiest shot of the day between us: Sav did an 'up and back' to the right hand 50 which he seemed to have judged perfectly, but as the cue ball followed the object ball in it just ringed the pocket taking a mushroom. Tommo's fortuitous effect was straight out of John Turner's top drawer, a double kiss off the side cush which hurled the red ball straight down for 400 !
Anyway, glad I made the effort, and I look forward to meeting up with the Sudbury and Eastbourne/Hastings lads again next March. - Clive Thompson
I'm just glad Colin kept a record of the scores as after about 3pm I don't really remember too much until silly hours on Sunday morning when our Colin woke me up because I was asleep on the floor outside my hotel room.
It was a great day enjoyed by all and as always the for us Sudbury lads the result came second place to the beer drinking.
A great big thank you to Sav and Tommo for coming along and a special thanks to Colin for organising the day and arranging for the sun to shine although he did slip up with the weather on Sunday.
As Tommo has already said, hopefully most of us will meet up again in March in Sudbury for the EA open and I'm sure a date will be set then for next year’s Hastings/ Eastbourne/ Sudbury bash. - Dave Lillie, Bay Horse Capt.
A friendly match was arranged between The Bay Horse Sudbury and The Ashburnham Hastings: The first match was at the Bay Horse on Sat 9th Aug 2014
The trip up was bit tedious , about 3 hours 20 to get there with heavy traffic particularly at Dartford, but we all got there roughly on time.
The hosts allowed us to have a quick practice, which was very useful as we found the 1 up shot was approx. the same on narrow and normal tables, we had a flirtation with cutting the red into the 50 off the side which was on but was a low percentage shot.
It was agreed to take 6 players, we would draw names for order of play when all had been played the game would be allocated on score so that the best would play the best and so on, of course Sudbury rules would apply so it was toss for break all through.
Result card as follows :
Alasdaire Carnegie 1660 v 2650 Colin Southouse
Steve Hale 570 v 1630 Phil Osborne
Brenden Hoare 1880 v 930 Mike Reilly
Jeremy Fry 1390 v 1490 Chris Haynes (last ball Winner)
Dave Lilie 1990 v 2490 Bob Osborne
Jason Lawrence 1740 v 2190 Peter Payne(last ball red Winner)
so after round one The Ashburnham were 5-1 up but The Bay horse were not down and out yet
Great nibbles were provided by the Pub at the interval
Steve Hale 3180 v 1010 Mike Reilly
Jeremy Fry 1900 v 1640 Chris Haynes
Alasdaire Carnegie 1580 v 1380 Phil Osborne
Jason Lawrence BP v 2300 Peter Payne (another close match on the last ball)
Brenden Hoare 1050 v 1640 Bob Osborne
Dave Lillie 410 v 2210 Colin Southouse
so after round 2 The scores were even 3-3 leaving the Ashburnham 8-4 up on aggregate
A doubles practice game followed with plenty of interesting shots and attempted shots transpired
Many thanks to our hosts, ‘twas a great day’s narrow 4 pin, and was a sharp learning curve on shots with all pockets in a slightly different positions and great fun as ever with 4 pin. Hopefully other teams/players may try up this version of the game.
With 3 last ball games the hosts could easily have come out 7-5 winners, looking forward to the return (1st Nov at the Ashburnham Arms) - Regards, Colin Southouse
Result Card for the Sussex Interleague Challenge match played at the Dun Horse, Tues 2nd Sept 2014:
Steve Hopkins* 1320 v 2300 Bob Osborne
Paul Jobbins 1350 v 2050 Peter Payne*
Sam Jones* 2160 v 0 B/P Tony Smith
Clive Thompson 1690 v 2440 Chris Haynes*
Richard Spurrier* 1160 v 4380 Colin Southouse
Ian Giffen 1310 v 2160 Mike Reilly*
Mike Holmwood 1330* v 3450 Phil Osborne
Tony Franks 0 B/P v 3620 Chris Haynes*
Result: Crawley 1, Eastbourne 7
The home team had 8 Players tonight so a draw was possible, Chris Haynes came out the lucky one to get a 2nd game and the first break twice! Well done Chris for taking his opportunity.
Result the Eastbourne squad came out on top with a 7-1 win, helped by some of our team playing at the venue last week and the home team’s lack of table practice.
Great fun as ever, plenty of chatter, Tony and Sam continuing their targeting of the 100 and 200 holes
Notable breaks Chris Haynes 2260; Phil Osborne 2090; Colin Southouse 1690; Colin Southouse 1520; Chris Haynes 1130; Bob Osborne 1120; Peter Payne 1030.
Many thanks to Tommo for organising a great 4 pin competition, lets hope a few more will have a go next summer - Colin Southouse.
A great night with the Crawley and District boys again, the result didn't matter as we know each other so well now, Good fun,,banter and some very good tunes on the juke box! Notably Gandalfs Delilah!!!!! Oh, and I managed a highest break! Always good! thanks to Clive for all seasons updates and to all players for a great season! - Chris Haynes
Yes we were well and truly mullered and well done to Eastbourne.
Chris Haynes was the star of the show, recovering well from a bit of a 'mare of a league season.
The Dun Horse table played excellently, a lot truer and faster than when we played it last: thank you to Sparky for preparing it so well, even if it did rather expose our shortcomings! At least Sammy managed to save Crawley's blushes…..
It's been a fun season once more, and again we're grateful to the boys from East Sussex who came over to play each week, using the Bull as a home venue. And of course to the lads from Dun Horse, Stout House and Windmill C’y who've completed a second year's service.......maybe we'll get enough teams next year to form a second division. - Clive T
Congratulations to Eastbourne who really played well with some good breaks & scores. As Chris said we all get on well. Great night & the Juke box was pumping. Thanks to The Dun Horse for hosting & the chip butties. - Ian Giffen
I'd just like to add: the whole thing went really well. Good games, good karma, lots of music and banter. Well done to Clive for organizing a "something different" summer comp as well as providing mementos and prize. This one-off I/L. was a nice way to round off the summer season, hope we do it again next year. - Paul Jobbins
Winners: Eastbourne (Phil Osborne, Chris Haynes, Tony Smith, Colin Southouse, Mike Reilly, Peter Payne, Bob Osborne.)
31 May 2014 - Eastbourne 4-Pin Open
Just returned from an excellent day of the noble sport of 4-Pin hosted by Gandalf at the Eastbourne Hospital Staff Social Club. Unfortunately a reduced lineup - the original 18 became 12 die-hards so very little "cannon fodder". This meant that Colin was able to re-schedule so we had double legs, everyone playing 8 frames in total !
Our day started with a huge full English breakfast on arrival, and between rounds we could go out to take the sun on the balcony overlooking the swimming pool.
Congratulations to whoever won out of the semifinalists Phil and Bob Osborne, Colin Southouse and young James Bown. We enjoyed the day and thanks once again. - Clive and Margo Thompson
Ozzie beat Ozzie senior in an all Hastings final,with some great breaks throughout the day, will be a very tough nut to crack at Sudbury next year, do I get better points if I tips Ozzie as the winner now (perhaps I should get Ozzie 2013 ranking bonus!
Report to follow when my headache subsides ( probably due to the appalling turnout and having to rehash the format to suit) thanks to Clive Margo Phil and Bob for making the day worthwhile Regs Colin Southouse
4 pin open results.pdf (115.54 KB)
4-Pin activity for Year 1 (2013).........
4-PIN INTER-LEAGUE CHALLENGE MATCH @ the Bull
Last-minute pandemonium – Eastbourne do a hasty measure-up of the distances between spots for the mushrooms to be placed ! Crawley skipper Paul Jobbins looks on...
A great match played tonight in a cordial atmosphere, Eastbourne as expected mastering the double-50 break and doing us 4-1 before the Crawley tail wagged ! And there were candidates for "shot of the evening" from both sides.
Some thank yous.......To the venue for the tasty pizzas, I've never seen food go so quickly !
To the Eastbourne lads for bringing their skill, enthusiasm and jocular self-effacement to our League this summer.
To Paul Jobbins who expertly skippered our side, and to Sam, Stuart, Steve, Ian and Mick who have been such great sports throughout, not forgetting our two lady supporters Joanne and Margo. – Clive Thompson
Have to say it was an absolute pleasure playing all the people we met while playing for the Bull in the Crawley 4 pin Summer League and am looking forward to next summer already ! - regards, Colin Southouse
The first Sussex 4-Pin league winners: Gareth Dell, Colin Southouse and Chris Haynes of The Bull
(A full record of the Bull’s participation in the Crawley League can be found via the Horsham website.)
Sussex 4-Pin League
Roll of Honour
2013 Bull (22pts)
2013 Mill House (18pts)
2013 Eastbourne bt Crawley 4-3
2014 Bull A (33.5pts)
2014 Windmill GG (32pts)
2014 Eastbourne bt Crawley 7-1
2015 REHSC (24pts)
2015 Hollingbury (18pts)
2015 Eastbourne bt Brighton 5-2
2016 REHSC (33pts)
2016 Black Lion (30pts)
2016 Eastbourne bt Mid Sussex 5-2
2013 Mick Holmwood (Mill House) 9/12
2013 Jim Greensted (Malt Shovel) 1070
2013 Gareth Dell (Bull) 3370
2014 Tony Franks (Windmill GG) 15/16
2014 Phil Osborne (Bull A) 2320
2014 Phil Osborne (Bull A) 6490
2015 Phil Osborne (REHSC) 11/12
2015 Nigel Senior (Hollingbury) 5300
2015 Nigel Senior (Hollingbury) 8000
2016 Phil Osborne (REHSC) 14/16
2016 Nigel Senior (Hollingbury) 5420
2016 Colin Southouse (Black Lion) 7940