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“I was born in Liverpool and was a child of the Sixties I was around at that time and i can def tell u John and Paul were a couple. I’ve seen both of them together many times I worked in Whitechapel 50 yds away from Brian’s record shop. The truth will never be printed while Paul is alive . ”

“Ok guys someone told me about this site and i have been loving it so far. Anyway my great uncle who lived in Liverpool told me a story some years ago. He told me that John and Paul actually were living together at some point during the sixties (John even stated it in a 70’s interview) and he is invited by a friend of his to a party that John and Paul are having at their house. He said as he walked in he saw Paul, who was walking around in nothing but a white shorts and John some feet away playing pool. He said throughout the day John and Paul is behaving like a regular couple and he is shocked since so many other ppl are there. Later in the evening as he is getting ready to leave Paul casually walks over to him and thanks him for coming and he leaves. He told me this some years after John’s death because he was sure Paul would have admitted they were a couple, well it has not happened and I don’t think he ever will. I really don’t know what to make of this story since he was the first person I ever heard claiming John and Paul to be a couple but apparently he is not the only one! ”

“Since everyone is anonymous here, I guess I can give a bit of info I got from a female friend of mine who at one time was Paul worked as one of Paul’s assistants. According to her Macca is a bisexual, who makes no secret of this when he is around his inner circle. She does not know for certain if John and Paul were involved but she suspects it since to this day whenever John’s name is brought up he acts in her words ‘like a widow’ and he also addresses John in present tense. He would say things like, ‘John thinks that the music should be like this,’ and during his bitter divorce from Heather he was saying, ‘John says that this is getting nasty.’ Kind of creepy. She claims he always talks about Linda and obviously misses her very much. As for the threesome rumours she heard ppl talk about it and would not put it past him.

“In the music circles it is spoken as a fact that John and Paul were a couple (My Dad was a musical director in Liverpool). Their affair started long before 1963, but came to a halt after Stu Sutcliffe became the central person in John’s life, hence the reason Paul hated Stu so much and even to this day blames his dislike of Stu on his lack of musical ability. Even Stu’s sister said that Stu and Paul were fighting for John’s affections. After Stu died Paul became the centre of John’s world again and he remained that way until Yoko replaced him.”

“Isn't it well known that Starting Over was written about Paul? At least I heard someone in the music industry mention it, and that Paul knows it. Also, it was reported that Paul locked himself in his music studio and listened to the song repeatedly after John died.”

“I asked a guy who was very artsy and in the scene in the 70's, and who knew Yoko and John through acquaintances, what he thought of John dumping his much more beautiful first wife to run off with Yoko. He said very simply John enjoyed sex with men. Yoko allowed him to have sex with as much as he wanted, she had no problem with it so long as it did not get too serious. As he explained it, Cynthia grew up in a closed minded place and she would have never agreed to, nor understand why John wanted to have sex with men, as well as women. He said when John was in America, he was a bisexual but he would pick a fight with anyone who called him a bi, or even mentioned the fact that he liked men. He also said John liked very good looking, young, soft featured men.”

“I worked in the music industry briefly from 67-70 and I have seen for myself some very revealing things but I don't find it appropriate to dish it out here. One day it will be revealed, definitely not while Paul or Yoko is alive maybe soon after. I'll return here to read all the threads. The most I can say for now, is Yoko gave a very watered down version of the names the Apples' staff gave to Paul, though they also gave a very derogatory name for John as well. And let’s just say there was a reason why Paul was given the 'female' title in the relationship.”

“I wonder what kind of mental abuse Paul put Linda through. I can't help but think the threesome rumours I heard some years ago about Paul, Linda and some dude in the bedroom, was really Paul, some dude and Linda outside hearing it.”

“Actually the John and Paul rumours did not only emerge in our time. As early as the middle sixties rumours were beginning to spread in the music industry about what exactly the J/P relationship was involved. My grandfather was a entertainment journalist in the 60's and he stated that people were becoming suspicious about John and Paul as early as 1964. He also said that someone had made a comment about seeing John and Paul holding hands backstage during the music Lennon and McCartney tv special, though no one believed the person at the time. According to him the Beatles' camp began to go into panic mode and even went so far as to demand John and Paul no longer sit together in interviews. So believe me this John and Paul thing is nothing new. People have been creating stories about people's 'gayness' for years.”

“This John and Paul thing is so dated. I am from Liverpool and since the 60's rumours were swirling about John and Paul possibly being 'queers.' At the time I didn't think much of it, since it was guys who fought with them as kids who were spreading the rumours and so I assumed it was jealousy that fueled the rumours.”

“I heard about Paul and Linda having threesomes with guys years ago from someone in the industry. I didn't believe it initially because Linda didn't seem the type to do those things but later I was enlightened on the pot smoking, 'Queen' of the groupies status she had earned in the late 60's. As for Paul, hearing he was having sex with guys didn't shock me in the least. I always got that vibe off him.”

“My ex knew a guy who claimed he sucked off Macca in the 70's.”

“My uncle was a sound engineer for Granada tv studios in 60's and actually met the Beatles because he worked on 'the Music of Lennon and McCartney' special. He actually chatted with Ringo behind the scenes briefly but didn't speak with the others. I remember him telling me years ago that he was surprised by Paul's mannerisms because as he put it, it was overly 'swishy.' He also stated that John and Paul acted very strange throughout the evening. According to him they followed each other continuously even when it was not required, as one got up so did the other, as one sat so did the other, they would finish each sentences, and they were often seen staring at each other for excruciating periods of time (his exact words) he said behind the scenes people were joking about them being a couple because they seemed so close. My uncle told me this years ago but I always summed it up to their brotherly relationship. I am now reconsidering my position.”

“I heard from someone in the industry years ago that Linda and Paul's marriage was hanging on by a thread and Paul's bisexuality had a lot to do with it. Apparently, Linda married Paul knowing full well he swung both ways and even participated in some of his same sex romps but gradually he left her out of the equation all together and would have sex with the dudes without her help, so to speak. Keith (guess I can use his name) told me that he heard that once Paul and Linda got into a huge fight while their kids were away and Paul went out, returned with a young stud and had outrageously loud sex within Linda's earshot. He said Linda simply sat outside the room and smoked a blunt. I have no idea if this last story was true or not but I find it both sad and kind of funny at the same time.”

“Saw this thread and decided I should post what I have heard. I can tell you that John and Paul never hid the fact that they were together in the 60's and they were referred to as music’s 'first official same sex couple' by those in their close music circles. I found this out from my mother who was a 'go for' for a music director in the 60's. She worked behind the scenes for the 'Help!' music video. She has seen John and Paul backstage and always refers to their behaviour around each other as cute, and claims after spending a few minutes with them it was obvious they were deeply in love. She said that George and Ringo would always excuse themselves whenever John and Paul began chatting up each other.”

“A friend of mine told me that Paul McCartney is a bottom and people in the industry know this. I don't particularly believe him but whatever.”

“Paul and Linda McCartney had threesomes, with men. But then Paul started to not include Linda.”

“I thought John occasionally used a rent boy in the 70s- but he was more likely to go after oriental women (in the 70s at least.) I recall reading this in a short book written about John and Yoko in their Dakota days in the 70s when John was hooked on heroin.”

“I met someone years ago who was with Paul in Greece and he said they slept together...I believe him...he was a gorgeous somewhat femme conceptual artist..”

“I heard a rumour years ago that Paul and Linda were involved with threesomes with other men. Has anyone heard this?”

“So it's true Paul is bi? I know someone from that inner circle who swears it's true…”

“I have posted before that a friend of mine, I know, had a fling with Paul in Greece in the late 60's I think it was. He (my friend) was gorgeous...artsy performance artist, etc… I mostly believe him..”

“My parents were like 60s flower children and for them it was common knowledge that the break-up of John and Paul were like lovers breaking up. It was not talked about in the media like the elephant in the room.”

“I mean isn't it obvious Paul and John had something going on! Just watch their body language whenever they were together, i mean of course two goodlooking bi guys (my sister was a personal assistant to Paul in the sixties and says its common knowledge) would get together.”

“John and Paul made up for the most part before John died. They saw each other during John's lost weekend, and even when John sailed to Bermuda. That was largely kept quiet.”

“I remember watching the coverage of Paul and Linda's wedding in '69 in Liverpool with my parents and their friends and I remember overhearing my dad's friends discussing what Paul saw in her since he could have done better, then suddenly one of them burst out, ‘Maybe she has an 8 inch one.' I always wondered what made them say that about their local hero”

“Heard from a friend awhile ago Paul and Linda had threesomes with other guys. So anything is possible.”

“I remember when I was coming to terms with my homosexaulity and my mother would constantly set me up on dates & how nasty I treated the girls (I am ashamed of my behaviour now),because I wrongfully blamed the girls for not allowing me to be with whoever I really wanted to be with. I can't help but feel both Paul's and John's misogynistic behaviour toward their wives is some deep-seated resentment they held for them. Whether J/P were in couple in the early 60's or not is irrelevant, once they had feelings for each other and couldn't act on it because of society's bigotry, they could come to hate women they were 'forced' to be with.”

From johnheartpaul

“virmccartney's lecturer happens to be friends with Eric Griffiths and Eric told him about The First Meeting (since he witnessed it as well.) [...] [He said] that Paul's voice cracked out of sheer nervousness, that John stroked his hair and that they couldn't stop looking at each other. And also that John called Paul little Elvis.”

“A couple of years ago I found casually on the Internet a story about a girl who was involved with a musician in the '60 in London, and she had the chance to hang around with other famous rockers. The story told that she was shocked when at one certain party she saw Paul being passionately kissed by other men in a sofa (the bit about the sofa maybe is in my imagination only).”

“Many years ago back in the '80's when I was in high school, I knew a girl who's older sister, Gail or Gayle,  worked at the local radio station (WRNO -- We're the Rock of New Orleans).  Her sister regularly met rock 'n rollers who came through and gave her sister all kinds of dirt.  Mostly about who was nice, who was a jerk, who was stoned off their ass, etc.        My friend told me a story about Paul that her sister told her.  Gail met a gay guy who worked in radio in New York at some kind of convention and, as you do, shared all kinds of gossip with him.  This guy told her that he met Paul at a get-together many years before (I don't know if he meant 70's or even earlier in the 60's) and flirted with him.  They ended up going off together and the guy blew Paul.“

 Francie Schwartz

Just a thought: If Paul had wanted to, he could have talked about Brian's death

and the effect it had on the group. Instead of dissing Yoko and John...

In fact, Brian's death from pills and booze did a helluva lot more damage than

Yoko and the Bed.

Isn't it interesting how Oldham (who, by the way, sold the Apple office

building to Neil Aspinall for the Beatles) sees Paul's feeble gesture?

Indeed, Brian deserved better. But Oldham knew that Brian's problems had a lot

to do with self-hatred. If Paul hadn't been such a closet homophobe, things

might have turned out differently.

Oh well...