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Digitally Literate Show Notes

Episode 004 - Writing and Publishing Openly Online

March 24, 2014 .... 4 to 5 PM (EST)

Writing openly, and opportunities to publish openly. Challenges, opportunities. What happens if we want to publish, write, and think openly.

Hangout location for this show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99_016WQm8

Short URL for this doc: http://goo.gl/Yd2Lh9

All episodes of Digitally Literate will be broadcast using a Google Hangout on Air. Please plan on joining the episode 20 minutes early so we can get settled.

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Participants: 

Please add your name / Twitter handle / email address/Google+ address. We're glad you're here!

Panelists:

Doug Belshaw / Web Literacy Lead, Mozilla Foundation / @dajbelshaw / doug@mozillafoundation.org / Google+

Gideon Burton / Asst. Professor of English, Brigham Young University / @wakingtiger / wakingtiger@gmail.com / Google+

Rick Ferdig / Summit Professor of Learning Technologies; Kent State University / ferdig.com / @rickferdig / rferdig@gmail.com / Google+

Kristy Pytash / Assistant Professor, Literacy Education, Kent State University/ literacyspaces.com / @kpytash / kristypytash@kent.edu / Google+

 

Verena Roberts CANeLearn - A/Chief Innovation Officer  - Open and Online Educational Consultant / @verenanz / verenanz@gmail.com

Ian O’Byrne / wiobyrne.com / @wiobyrne / Google+ / wiobyrne@gmail.com

Charlotte Pierce / charlotte.pierce@gmail.com / @daytripperdiva / IPNE.org / peeragogy.org

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Below is a suggested plan for the episode. Please use this document for laying out topics, and points you would like to discuss. You may add a thought or question to the “Prodding Questions” section at the bottom of this document.

Please consider adding your initials if you have a specific comment that you would like addressed.

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**Prodding Questions**

For everyone to consider, which we may bring up during the conversation (please feel free to add to this list. Please use a different color, or add your initials to distinguish your contributions).

What do we mean by open publishing? Collection of links, blogs, texts, books, lessons? I personally am really interested in the “research” aspect of open publishing - teacher action research, graduate students - How would open publishing “help” teachers and students (k-12) and Higher Ed? VR

Should we *force* people to be open? Is open something that such a universal good that it’s ever legitimate to coerce rather than encourage? (DB)

The concept of “open” is a phenomenally altruistic concept.  Who wouldn’t want to give access to knowledge and materials and tools to everyone?  The question, therefore, isn’t always about should we do it--as much as it is about how we pay for it.  Kristy and I published an open book.  We also ran a MOOC in the fall.  Both were open and “free.”  But, they weren’t free to make.  We--and our authors--contributed freely.  But, most of us were in roles being paid for by universities or schools.  The “u” press that freely distributed our book was also funded by the “U.”  At the end of the day, someone has to pay for things to be free.  Does open mean free?  If so, who pays?  If not, then what does open mean?  What are the funding models that allow things to be open and what are the funding models that allow things to be free? (RF)

We have had open repositories for quite some time (think RLOs; MERLOT, etc.).  Having said that, K-12 schools that take advantage of using and contributing to shared and open content seem to be the exception rather than the rule.  Given various state and local funding models as well as historical practices with purchasing materials, how do we work with K-12 schools, teachers, administrators, etc. to break this long tradition?  Or, maybe the first question is do we?

Open publishing is more associated with scholarship (= “open access”) while open content is more aligned with teaching (= “open educational resources). Where do these two worlds connect or collide? [GB]

“Open” is problematic when equated with “free”; but it’s also problematic when associated with merely the dissemination of traditional scholarly or educational content. I recommend discussion of David Wiley’s 5Rs of openness: “retain, reuse, revise, remix, redistribute” [GB]

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Resources you would like included on the archived episode page (short title, description, and link please)

Hangout Chat:

Doug Belshaw

4:00 PM

Ian, do you have a tweet I can RT?

To list all available commands enter "/?".

Doug Belshaw

4:03 PM

Got a link to your book, Gideon?

Rick Ferdig

4:05 PM

Here is access for those who don't have it - http://press.etc.cmu.edu/content/preparing-teaching-teach-writing-using-technology

Gideon Burton

4:07 PM

Here's my student-produced, open-content etextbook, Writing About Literature in the Digital Age. http://www.feedbooks.com/book/6681/writing-about-literature-in-the-digital-age

Verena Roberts

4:07 PM

Awesome - thx for the resources everyone...

Doug Belshaw

4:17 PM

Great to see danah boyd release her new book for free (as well as selling it) http://www.danah.org/itscomplicated/

me

4:19 PM

peeragogy.org is the "living book" - provides free download of the handbook. We sell the print book.

Doug Belshaw

4:19 PM

Openness is the only sustainable competitive advantage

Ian O'Byrne

4:20 PM

Great point Doug...do you want to bring that up?

Doug Belshaw

4:20 PM

Yep

me

4:20 PM

collaboration is the new competition

Verena Roberts

4:20 PM

I was reading about Open Innovation this morning....

Gideon Burton

4:21 PM

Thanks for the links, Charlotte, Doug

Verena Roberts

4:21 PM

Businesses that encourage open innovation with the outside vs innovate only "inside" Crowd sourcing etc...

Rick Ferdig

4:24 PM

The challenge in teaching about open publishing is teaching students when to make snapshots vs. thinking everything is an evolution that can never take shape.

Ian O'Byrne

4:25 PM

Good point Rick, do you want to bring that up next?

Doug Belshaw

4:25 PM

That's the thing, isn't it Rick - being able to signal settled positions vs works in process

Rick Ferdig

4:25 PM

absolutely, Doug. Ian...happy to do so but also don't want to be Debbie Downer  :)

Doug Belshaw

4:25 PM

Go for it, Rick!

Ian O'Byrne

4:26 PM

Go for it!!!

Gideon Burton

4:27 PM

Open tends toward collaboration

Doug Belshaw

4:27 PM

Do you think there's much of a 'survivorship bias' when it comes to open?

What about those who put stuff out there repeatedly and no-one noticed?

What happens to those people?

Rick Ferdig

4:29 PM

Excellent point...what happens when you have no audience?

me

4:29 PM

handbook helped with the unifying of ideas into a theme, or work. process facilitated the learning.

Doug Belshaw

4:29 PM

@Rick: I think it helps when you're an early adopter of tech.

Verena Roberts

4:30 PM

Ask questions to specific people - use their content - remix ....People love to see their stuff remixed....

Doug Belshaw

4:30 PM

There's a built-in group of people trying to figure stuff out

e.g. Firechat at the weekend.

People all over the place wondering what it could be used for!

Verena Roberts

4:30 PM

True Charlotte - having a "project" to work towards is great

Gideon Burton

4:32 PM

My post on "Three phases of academic blogging" in which I discuss this process of exploring - developing - formalizing content: http://mobydigital.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-three-phases-of-academic-blogging.html

Doug Belshaw

4:32 PM

Is what's happening to publishing the same that happened to the music industry? (i.e. touring = consulting, speaking) Give music / books away for free, etc. Thanks Gideon!

Ian O'Byrne

4:33 PM

Great post Gideon, do you want to bring that up and take it back to Rick's point?

Doug Belshaw

4:33 PM

What is 'plagiarism' these days?

Ian O'Byrne

4:33 PM

Great point

Doug Belshaw

4:34 PM

I don't even know what counts as 'my' ideas these days

wattpad.com

http://www.wattpad.com/

kristy pytash

4:34 PM

and that gets into peer review - when is it peer review when you can usually tell who the author (even though blinded) really is

Verena Roberts

4:34 PM

So is open publishing an experience? A community?

Doug Belshaw

4:35 PM

WWSD?

Rick Ferdig

4:35 PM

@Verena, if that's true, how much is then based on cultural factors?

Doug Belshaw

4:36 PM

Why not copy/paste chat into blog post later?

Ian O'Byrne

4:36 PM

Good point, I will do Great points in here

Verena Roberts

4:36 PM

When I think of the work with Commonwealth of Learning and the open publishing .....the cultural aspects surprised me - in that my assumptions were that people tend NOT to want to share - when in reality - the limited people I worked with were desperate to share/publish/learn together....

kristy pytash

4:36 PM

the teachers Rick and I worked with absolutely did not like this level of freedom the idea that they could be experts - really was difficult for them to internalize

Ian O'Byrne

4:37 PM

I want to go next into how we actually do this. Where have you all published, etc.... But, first Kristy you can fire back with your question

Doug Belshaw

4:38 PM

http://www.googleplusdaily.com/2013/08/quick-tip-access-chat-history-for.html

Ian O'Byrne

4:39 PM

Verena...I'm sure you'll have a response about this. :)

Doug Belshaw

4:39 PM

Yes, but adults respond to their incentives as much as the kids do

me

4:40 PM

peeragogy project G+ page: https://plus.google.com/+PeeragogyOrgHandbook/posts

Rick Ferdig

4:40 PM

Just came back from the SITE conference presenting on our MOOC...where people asked us to rethink doing the MOOC but telling people what to do instead of giving them choice.

Verena Roberts

4:42 PM

Telling them? Telling them what?

me

4:42 PM

David Preston has found a way to break out of that lockdown: http://www.prestonlearning.com/

he's written a chapter in peeragogy

Gideon Burton

4:43 PM

The big revelation for my students has been that their ideas -- even at early, nascent stages -- will be taken seriously if they attempt to address them seriously and if they conduct serious inquiry in the open

Doug Belshaw

4:43 PM

David's awesome. I interviewed him at DML 2012 :-)

Rick Ferdig

4:43 PM

@Verena - telling them - First, do step 1. Then do step 2...etc. Direct instruction through a MOOC.

Verena Roberts

4:43 PM

Thx @Rick My open course on how to be open: http://ceetopenwiki.wikispaces.com/ Based on continuum....Needs to be updated...:)

me

4:46 PM

:-) Doug

Doug Belshaw

4:46 PM

My university eventually allowed me to release my thesis under CC0 in their repository http://etheses.dur.ac.uk/3446/

Gideon Burton

4:46 PM

That's good, Doug. I wanted to see your thesis, anyway.

Doug Belshaw

4:46 PM

http://neverendingthesis.com

^^ more up-to-date!

Ian O'Byrne

4:47 PM

How do we do this? How do we publish openly?

If you want to show/display/pitch your pubs, that's cool

me

4:48 PM

Hacking High School: Next Steps for Open Source Learning

A conversation with David Preston at the Howard Rheingold U live online session, March 25, 2013

Introduction by Doug Breitbart (David starts at 1:25 on HRU Blackboard Collaborate recording)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VmH9QwJjGRll2BeStkOJnr2Xs13Iivu7F1e2COUP_ik/edit#

Doug Belshaw

4:48 PM

When it comes to the tech, there's a lot of blame to lay at the door of funding. Too much capital funding - without matched funding for training, etc.

Gideon Burton

4:48 PM

There are tremendous difference in open issues when looking at the levels of 1) k-12; 2) undergrad; and 3) faculty/professional publishing

Ian O'Byrne

4:48 PM

Do you want to go into that Doug?...or have Gideon start off with the hierarchy?

Doug Belshaw

4:48 PM

I think we've heard enough from me ;-)

Gideon Burton

4:48 PM

Interesting, Charlotte!

Doug Belshaw

4:49 PM

I think we have a mixed economy

(and that's OK)

me

4:49 PM

Let me know if you can't get access to the doc

Doug Belshaw

4:50 PM

I've requested access

dajbelshaw@gmail.com

--

There's also a perennial issue about the link between openness and abdication of responsibility

...that can be in terms of an organisation ("let the market decide!" "student can choose!") or on an individual level.

Rick Ferdig

4:51 PM

http://pkp.sfu.ca/ojs/

http://press.etc.cmu.edu/

Gideon Burton

4:52 PM

We've had success at BYU using the Open Journal System platform. It's also very capable under the hood (editorial workflow / manuscript management)

Doug Belshaw

4:53 PM

The problem is when the people who have power enclose 'open' (and other things).

e.g. Green vs. Gold access in the UK.

Ian O'Byrne

4:53 PM

Doug, do you want to bring up your book, and that level of publishing?

Rick Ferdig

4:54 PM

SO...who's taking lead on the development of the Journal of Research on Open Education and Publishing?

Verena Roberts

4:54 PM

@ian

is

Ian O'Byrne

4:54 PM

Say what?

I'll run the JROEP?

Rick Ferdig

4:55 PM

let's do Journal of Research on Open Publishing and Education so we can be JROPE

Ian O'Byrne

4:55 PM

http://www.patreon.com/

I dig JROPE

me

4:56 PM

Open Source Publishing community on Google+ https://plus.google.com/communities/101250530313587662202

Verena Roberts

4:56 PM

I'm scared of journals.....what are other options to encourage those of us who don't "get" journal article writing ?

Ian O'Byrne

4:56 PM

https://leanpub.com/

Rick Ferdig

4:56 PM

you could imagine various types of publications (e.g. everything from twitter posts to collaborative art) that pushed the concept of open (both as publishing and as knowledge construction)

@Verena, that might combat "traditional" article writing

Verena Roberts

4:57 PM

@rick - Then I would love it :)

Gideon Burton

4:57 PM

Example of an open thesis (sections published serially with platform for commenting, using Comment Press): http://philoweb.org/

Doug Belshaw

4:59 PM

In tech we talk about MVP (Minimum Viable Product) but here I'd talk about the smallest first step you can take.

ATTENTION LITERACY

Ian O'Byrne

5:00 PM

https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/101250530313587662202

me

5:01 PM

I have copied the chat into your document, FYI - a bit messy but the links are there and etc.

Doug Belshaw

5:01 PM

Great stuff, Charlotte!

Verena Roberts

5:01 PM

Yeah Charlotte!

Doug Belshaw

5:01 PM

I agree with case studies

...but often the people asking for them are putting up a smokescreen.

Ian O'Byrne

5:02 PM

Great stuff all. Great sharing. We'll have to put this in the first issue of JROPE

Doug Belshaw

5:02 PM

...and I think the reason for the smokescreen has something to do with what Kristy has just said about fear and identity.

me

5:03 PM

We have a year's worth of chat histories in the peeragogy folder

:) 

Ian O'Byrne

5:04 PM

http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/20/5530062/firechat-app-iphone-lets-you-text-friends-even-without-a-signal

Doug Belshaw

5:04 PM

I get the irony badge

Gideon Burton

5:04 PM

Yes, figuring out things together, especially in the spirit of discovery

Doug Belshaw

5:05 PM

http://www.cultofmac.com/271225/appreciated-ios-7-feature-will-change-world/

me

5:05 PM

You are all welcome on the Peeragogy Accelerator hangouts on Mondays at 1 pm.

Ian O'Byrne

5:06 PM

Thnx @Charlotte

Doug Belshaw

5:06 PM

Zygmunt Bauman talks about liquid modernity and not having long enough for things to solidify

http://dougbelshaw.com/blog/2011/11/05/zygmunt-bauman-on-liquidity-vs-solidity/

Gideon Burton

5:07 PM

Wow, Doug. Liquid modernity. Hmmm.

Doug Belshaw

5:07 PM

Hmmm good or hmmmm bad

Gideon Burton

5:07 PM

good

Doug Belshaw

5:07 PM

:-)

Rick Ferdig

5:07 PM

Wow. Fascinating idea. Def:location - "My student was stuck in liquid modernity."

Ian O'Byrne

5:07 PM

...and we're all drinking the Kool-Aid

Gideon Burton

5:08 PM

Traditional academic publications don't play to that sense of wonder that Verena mentions, sadly. But I agree.

Doug Belshaw

5:08 PM

Great stuff - thanks for the insights and the links

Doug Belshaw

5:08 PM

Great stuff - thanks for the insights and the links

Occam's Razor

BACON

Verena Roberts

5:09 PM

Cdn Bacon! :)

Gideon Burton

5:09 PM

Sounds great. Thanks, all. It's been fun

kristy pytash

5:09 PM

thanks everyone

Doug Belshaw

5:10 PM

We're going to be launching this next month: http://training.webmakerprototypes.org/

Doug Belshaw

5:10 PM

We're going to be launching this next month: http://training.webmakerprototypes.org/

(it'll be at training.webmaker.org when moved to production)

Gideon Burton

5:11 PM

Doug's webmaker training looks promising.

Doug Belshaw

5:11 PM

You should follow @epilepticrabbit

Doug Belshaw

5:10 PM

We're going to be launching this next month: http://training.webmakerprototypes.org/

(it'll be at training.webmaker.org when moved to production)

Gideon Burton

5:11 PM

Doug's webmaker training looks promising.

Doug Belshaw

5:12 PM

CRITIQUE ALL THE THINGS

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GitHub

This is fascinating: http://www.danielmiessler.com/blog/tracking-changes-in-beliefs-buster-benson