Why Melanie Martinez is not Supported
There will be sources provided for each claim in this document. You are free to form your own opinion. Make sure to read the whole doc without leaving anything out. At the very end of this document, there will be useful twitter threads linked that you should also check out.
!! MENTIONS OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE AND RAPE
(Lyrics above are most likely about her ex-boyfriend, Edwin. But it should be kept in mind that Melanie wrote these inappropriate lyrics while she had minors living in her house.)
[Meet and Greet in 2016]
Source: https://melanie-martinez.fandom.com/wiki/Lucy_Loone
Lyrics: https://genius.com/Melanie-martinez-ring-pop-demo-1-lyrics
Lucy Loone and Melanie Martinez met in 2016 at a meet and greet, they started to become friends in around 2018~ when Melanie started to post her with Lucy together:
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(Lucy Loone was still 17, as in October 2019 she turned 18.)
People might say they only were together for a few occasions, but that isn’t true, Lucy Loone corrects this misinformation herself:
(This was in September 2018 when she was still a minor.)
It generally is not advised to somebody, especially a 23 year old adult. Should discuss the private details of a highly provocative film with a 16 year old girl.
(Circa March 2021)
It was alleged that she was on set of the film (particularly Wheels On The Bus), but it’s a rumour so it’s not substantiated, but if she was, that’s problematic for many reasons:
However, keep in mind it’s alleged. Doesn’t mean it’s true. But what is true is Melanie personally taking her out to see the sexually charged film when she was 17 years old.
Lucy Loone was there at the K-12 premiere event that took place in September 2019, since her birthday was in October 2019, that would mean she’d be 17 at the time.
- Melanie and Noah Cyrus in 2015
In 2015, Melanie met Noah Cyrus. Melanie was 20 while Noah was 15. Melanie would often take this girl with her in the studio and write songs with her.
In the photo shown above, Melanie is having a pretend play date with Noah.
Source: https://melanie-martinez.fandom.com/wiki/Noah_Cyrus
A child is posting to her Instagram story multiple times about how much she misses a random grown woman (Melanie). Melanie built close parasocial relationships with children who enjoyed her and her music and let her into her home. Despite claiming 21 year old Melanie would be Noah’s forever favorite, the two no longer follow each other, which is key to note as we move forward.
Keep in mind this doesn’t mean anything predatory actually happened, that isn’t confirmed. But it helps paint a pattern of power imbalanced dynamics, which is exactly how it played out when she raped Timothy Heller and Madeleine Carina.
Statement from Madeline Carina
Excerpt of Timothy Heller’s story December 4th, 2017
Madeleine’s tweets in response to Timothy’s story
Maddie Carina’s story shared to Edwin Costa for a video he planned to do in 2019 (messages came out in January 2021)
Madeline claims her abuse as “not rape” but pressuring someone into agreeing to sex or wearing them down over days is not consent. It is rape. Melanie Martinez is a rapist. Rape victims can minimise their rape but legally it’s still rape, under US law: 18 U.S. Code § 2242 - Sexual Abuse. (3) ‘engages in a sexual act with another person without that other person’s consent, to include doing so through coercion’
Maddie claims that Melanie has pressured additional women to sleep with her, later saying she had one specific girl in mind—alluding to current friend Elita Harkov (she’s from Canada, and leaked messages show her and Melanie flirting with each other via Snapchat).
As for Timothy, fans like to say “The full line is she never said no to what we chose to do together!!”
They claim Timothy’s story was debunked, but there is no evidence. People will say she forgot dates, but she stated in the past she has memory issues surrounding it due to trauma and her mental health. A user also pointed out that she frequently lied (not with intent) multiple times—such as the age she wrote “Sticks & Stones” (she said multiple times it was 16 for her band Espioes, but the band formed when she was 17 making this impossible), when she dated Jared Ryan Maldonado (she said she dated him from 17 - 18, when she was actually 19 - ~21), and a photo of Melanie and her at a dinner she claimed was taken during the Dollhouse Tour in 2014 (it was actually in 2015, but there is no reason for her to lie about this since the picture does nothing for her case as it was months before the incident—it was just a mistake). Melanie fans will also bring up her problematic past (such as racism); however, these details are completely irrelevant to the case at hand—and who said you had to personally support her? You can believe she was raped without endorsing her behaviour. There’s no need for a perfect victim agenda and spreading such a narrative is harmful. Timothy was with Melanie on both the timeframes provided in May and June and Melanie confirmed the events when she stated “she never said no [to what we chose to do together]” (It’s more likely that the incident actually happened in May since that’s when they played the game which was a key factor in the story, as per Timothy’s iCloud). Timothy’s iCloud was also messed up (it showcased 2017 photos under 2011), which could’ve contributed to the confusion surrounding the date.
It’s also important to note Melanie was dating her boyfriend Miles at the time, who said he “wouldn't care” if she and Timothy hooked up. Timothy also had a relationship (either with Dannel Escallón or another man whose name is unknown) which Melanie would’ve known about—meaning she wanted Timothy to cheat on her then-current boyfriend with her.
Archive of Timothy’s Account: https://web.archive.org/web/20171215072856/https://twitter.com/timethyheller
Archive of Maddie’s tweet: https://web.archive.org/web/20181008062019/https://twitter.com/maddiecarina/status/938042845402984451
Timothy’s TikTok addressing nonbelievers: https://www.tiktok.com/@frickmylife500/video/7393212886681652510
The rest of Maddie’s story: https://x.com/exposingmel/status/1892322182463648051
Source for Timothy stating she has bad memory (due to trauma and mental illness):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yga6l9cqMFc&t=320s Months before the allegations (March 2017).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEheThVjdHU&t=533s
Source on her iCloud, along with it being messed up: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MKZpK7X7FCo
Screenshot from the above video + Instagram post confirming most of the photos were shot in October 2017, not 2011.
Source for Timothy’s relationship with Jared:
https://youtu.be/pQ5Zs_Hm14M?si=9xuDU6MkkjpF3sd3&t=325 Where she claimed she dated him from 17-18 (man in question, who she didn’t name here, is exactly how she described Jared in later interviews in promotion of “Sleep” and “See Ya!” + TikTok: Sleep Interview, See Ya! Interview, and TikTok Video (YouTube Re-Upload))
https://www.straight.com/music/499796/long-time-crush-leads-perfect-fit-dresses# https://x.com/dressestheband/status/319567003146919936 www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/jan/24/touring-suits-dresses/ https://soundcloud.com/bluemicrophones/dresses-podcast Confirmation she was 19-~21 with him (Google “How old was Timothy Heller from 2012 to 2013”).
“Stick & Stones” writing date:
https://x.com/Brxxnna1/status/1839160592956830099/video/4 https://web.archive.org/web/20240601023050/https://thesuperslice.com/blog/dresses-interview/ Sources where Timothy claims she wrote “Stick & Stones” at age 16 for her first (serious) band (Espiões).
https://www.last.fm/music/Espi%C3%B5es/+wiki Confirmation that Espiões began in January 2010 when she was 17 meaning “Stick & Stones” could have not been written before that age (Google “how old was Timothy Heller in January 2010”).
Picture of Timothy and Melanie at a dinner:
https://archive.ph/p8F0W#selection-514.0-525.27:~:text=Martinez%20and%20Heller,OF%20TIMOTHY%20HELLER Newsweek article where Timothy claims this photo was taken in (June) 2014 during the Dollhouse Tour. However, the 2015 social media post below confirms otherwise. Like we said previously this photo was months before the incident meaning it makes no sense for Timothy to lie about it as it does nothing for her case—it was just a mistake.
Here are two additional statements from Maddie Carina on the situation from March 21, 2019 (around the time she shared her story with Edwin) and July 24, 2020. “I saw the texts” are referring to Heller’s claims Melanie tried to contact her and Mikey (Heller’s boyfriend).
Keep in mind, some people try to claim Timothy faked or lied these messages, however, Abigail Breslin (who saw the messages) is still actively getting roles. If Timothy did obscure evidence, then she would be convicted, Abigail would be exposed: however, that’s not the case. No criminal case exists proving she lied about these text messages.
Timothy Heller’s claims to Newsweek (2017)
Source: https://www.newsweek.com/melanie-martinez-rape-allegations-timothy-heller-736251
Tweet #1: https://x.com/maddie__carina/status/1108885587941982208?s=46
Tweet #2: https://x.com/maddie__carina/status/1286859063930675200?s=46
This is problematic because she is a white Latina, she is not a person of color. This takes away from real POC struggles by letting white people (the oppressors) into the label.
Source:
https://www.spinmagazine.com/2026/07/is-melanie-martinez-real-or-fake/
Tweet #1: https://x.com/yoabbaabba/status/1108860775857295360?s=46
Instagram post: https://www.instagram.com/p/BcTcrtgDA4Q/?igsh=bHY4OW9xMmtqN2o1
Tweet #2: https://x.com/yoabbaabba/status/939722512362909696?s=46
Source: https://x.com/planetlaurynn/status/1040804983074115584?lang=ar
Video on their interactions: https://youtu.be/iTj7pW4qkTM?si=mtLICNcYsI7U4505
Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/DJM22qnJzk8/?igsh=MWVveW1rOG0yeXdndA==
Video example: https://www.tumblr.com/melaniemartinezmusic/126511668834/pacify-her-crybaby-comes-out-in-2?source=share
Photo #1: https://www.tumblr.com/melaniemartinezmusic/104563577808/crybaby?source=share
Photo #3: https://www.tumblr.com/melaniemartinezmusic/104558254713/crybaby?source=share
While it obviously being inappropriate, there are images showing her styling the see-through baby apron with a regular long sleeved shirt and a picture from the same photoshoot wearing a tank top.
It’s clear she could have worn a tank top and or a long sleeved shirt with the see through apron , why did it have to be a bra? It was a conscious decision.
Melanie wasn’t drawing herself, as shown by the word ‘CRY BABY’ in the background. Fans also claim that “Cry Baby is only depicted with brown hair!” which is true for the storybook, but in the film, on tour, etc, Cry Baby is shown with split dye hair. Even if she was drawing herself she’s stated she IS Cry Baby meaning any depiction of herself in the imagery is of the character.
Drawing Source: https://www.tumblr.com/melaniemartinezmusic/104061956363/not-sure-if-productive-is-the-right-word-to?source=share
“I am Cry Baby”: https://www.tumblr.com/melaniemartinezmusic/125196025593/who-is-cry-baby-to-you?source=share
“She’s a child who experiences adult things”: https://www.tumblr.com/melaniemartinezmusic/125199369088/how-would-you-describe-the-cry-baby-character-is?source=share
Melanie was 20, Jennette would be 17 in the episode.
Melanie fans usually respond to this by showing the original version of the video where Jennette was fully clothed. However, Melanie did not post that version. User “fothermuckingduntcestroyer” altered it to make her look topless and publicly uploaded it as a Gif. Melanie posted that version, hence why Tumblr took it down for violating the guidelines.
There are multiple archives of this gif but we won’t be sharing them since it’s CSAM (Child Sexual Abuse Material). Melanie posts to CSAM with a pervy attitude ‘for obvious reasons’ this would mean she hinted at herself masturbating to Child Sexual Abuse Material. This is a crime. Deepfake pornography of children is Child Sexual Abuse Material, despite what other fans claim:
Source to a reblog of this reply (as we’ve mentioned earlier, Tumblr took it down for CSAM and Nudity.) https://www.tumblr.com/bootyliciousbilbo/125197967664/fave-episode-of-icarly
Tumblr post #1: https://www.tumblr.com/melaniemartinezmusic/125202321703/what-are-your-inspirations-when-it-comes-to-art?source=share
And in the same video purchased a dress
from designers who specialize in paraphiliac fetish clothing.
Outfit Source: https://www.thelingerieaddict.com/2016/08/keep-pants-honey-come-home-allure-embroidered-wwii-lingerie.html
Reddit Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/MelanieMartinez/comments/1jaxbo0/i_think_i_found_the_inspo_to_the_pacify_her_outfit/
Link to article archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20150309003215/http://news.instyle.com/2015/03/05/listen-up-the-voice-melanie-martinez-adam-levine-dollhouse-ep/
A secondary source that corroborates this quote did exist (at 15:02):
https://youtu.be/P_rh4ATzknA?si=emT1G96qFmw5BC2z
Link to ageplay dress (the seller has deleted the listing):
Link to another one of their works similar:
Source: https://youtu.be/PHwWB6btlwA?si=VHTXcRMZG8XVVrH8 (at 2:32)
Source: https://melanie-martinez.fandom.com/wiki/Miles_Nasta?file=CE1rfChZGus.jpg
Performance: https://youtube.com/shorts/hxlsIeTf6NQ?si=RoPWup-tca6gpwWY
Now aware that attractive bodies have a great effect on boys, Cry Baby begins to grow self-conscious. After seeing many beauty ads on TV, she believes her hair needs to be a different color, she has to be thinner, and she has to have bigger breasts in order to be loved. However, after seeing Mrs. Potato Head's horror story on TV, Cry Baby reaches the epiphany that she is perfect the way she is and there is nothing that she needs to change. ("Mrs. Potato Head").
However she could have still got that point across without sexualizing children, in the music video a blonde wig is used to win “men over” and the character put on on as well, she should have used hair color as a non harmful alternative/example
It’s important to note the drawing does not HAVE to look like this. It is intentionally designed to tease body parts and have the child look uncomfortable while choking and crying. Not to mention it is physically impossible to create this position with both her knees and feet. It’s forced.
Tumblr Post: https://www.tumblr.com/melaniemartinezmusic/133411723123/4pm-est?source=share
Song: https://youtu.be/yWjqpwIOzeY?si=g6IymkhGH13hz4Sb
Source: https://x.com/melnewsfacts/status/780177718885376000
“Mama sold me for candy”
“They cut me up in places I don't even understand”
“I'm five years old sleepin' with a million men”
Source: https://melanie-martinez.fandom.com/wik
Now the song has a happy ending. The victim gets away. But the language in which the song is used is very morbid and strange to come up with. Using childlike terms and themes to describe rape and abuse.
Source: https://melanie-martinez.fandom.com/wiki/Toy_Chest#Lyrics
People say she didn’t want to sexualise children and said they weren’t literal children, sure: I mean they’re not real. But canonically they’re real children, and considering Melanie has already hinted she masturbates to CSAM to the public (on her Tumblr) —— do you think she really wasn’t getting nothing out of this? She’s still putting a child through these adult situations, and blatantly sexualises them through the examples above.
Source: https://melanie-martinez.fandom.com/wiki/AK-47 https://genius.com/Melanie-martinez-ak-47-lyrics
Video: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8hgcGNh/
Source: https://makersplace.com/melaniemartinez
Source to statement: https://www.reddit.com/r/MelanieMartinez/comments/sbdccv/melanie_addressed_the_nfts/
Video: https://youtu.be/2W24T1QndpA?si=0eagIYoA3A8nkrth (at 6:11)
Song: https://genius.com/Melanie-martinez-ring-pop-demo-1-lyrics
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/3OrHNHi0zuuwWtzwJjYIZa?si=7f773e6cb8794f82
Source: https://genius.com/Melanie-martinez-play-date-demo-lyrics
Gina finished it off with this tweet.
Stella then spoke on Melanie publicly for the final time here.
https://aminoapps.com/c/crybabies/page/blog/um-we-got-a-hug
Source: https://youtube.com/shorts/s7nKu2Z_nWM?si=JXdgYcbeaSdD0DpE
(Weird thrist-trap with her cat.)
(Elita Harkov, who is not wearing underwear, puts a kitty between her legs to cover her genitals. This is disgusting, considering cats should not be used in sexually charged posts like these.)
Elita fans will claim she stopped doing sex work, while that may be true (as there’s no known record of her doing it as a job in this time period) she still posted thristtraps of herself:
Full archive on Elita’s history of posting r*pe & incest kink: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/yungelita-yungangelita-pretty-little-victim-elita-harkov-emma-harvey.37469/
^ You will have to paste it somewhere else and open it from there
Interview (Quote at 8:49): https://youtu.be/yr7HdWB7bvI?si=zbfmbFo19r_4KcKe
Source: https://melanie-martinez.fandom.com/wiki/Elita_Harkov
However this crash out is ironic and hypocritical, as she has a whole song called ‘Show & Tell’ against the exact same actions of her ex boyfriend.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/MelanieMartinez/comments/1831huq/verdes_new_instagram_story/
Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/DHREycpsDfD/
Tweet: https://x.com/JOSEDWORDED/status/1901377424241098843
Another source: https://x.com/melspurgatory/status/1901301607771566223
Video: https://youtu.be/AsYsbjUiq78?si=NpHlTGiAzbQktVgJ (at 1:38)
Source: https://x.com/martinezmcharts/status/1267
It’s been critiqued for flattening the complexity of racism in the US, racism against black people are not just Crayons, it implies it’s more easily sortable than it should be. (As crayons are simple to understand and use)
This could be a coincidence, the venue did not make a statement on what happened but she immediately jumped to make this outage about Palestine and had Pop Crave cover the incident to make the two related. Pop Crave is known to be on her payroll for previous promotions.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/MelanieMartinez/comments/185cran/microphone_cut_off_mysteriously/
Pop Crave Tweet #1: https://x.com/PopCrave/status/1729562518253617296
Pop Crave Tweet #2: https://x.com/PopCrave/status/1686384963690848256
Pop Crave K-12 premiere interview: https://youtu.be/0vq5uDjB-UI?si=nCZUMkLfKnaJFGMw
How is it that a video of one of the least popular songs on “PORTALS” is suddenly the break-out once there is a child being pestered by a veiny creature for half of its duration? The song is receiving less than 17k streams daily. Luckily when the video was announced, critics questioned why she’s still incorporating children in her work despite the disturbing history and questioned why she is still relevant despite everything above.
She has a common theme depicting little girls in distressful situations
[Official LEECHES cover art in PORTALS (Deluxe) boxset]
Source for streams: https://x.com/SpotifyMelanie/status/1945573046909042885
Pop Base Tweet: https://x.com/popbase/status/1905458316559745028?s=46
Source for boxset: https://melanie-martinez.fandom.com/wiki/LEECHES/Gallery?file=LeechesLyricBooklet.jpg
51. During the PORTALS era, Melanie used AI multiple times for merch and promotional photos. As we know, AI is very harmful for the environment, and this is very hypocritical for someone who made a whole nature themed album & claims to be a huge activist.
Fans will claim this post is fake (1st image), however a screen-recording of it was taken, and it actually does exist:
More AI
52. In 2022, Melanie sold her own NFTS, which are extremely harmful to the environment. Not only that, but one NFT features a cow suggestively squirting out milk on its own and making flirty & suggestive faces; winking, raising its eyebrows and licking its lips.
Link to the NFT: https://youtu.be/YJBoBvQ6XQk?si=ShvKy5O98PA5aSOL
This is not the only time Melanie sold NFTS, she also did it during the PORTALS era in 2023, as a part of the PORTALS Tour VIP package.
53. In 2014, Melanie was arguing with a fan named Joseph Stevens. Melanie was 19/20 years old, Joseph was 14. Melanie kept publicly asking for this 14 year old kid for his address over a robe. She also proceeded to insult him and call him names such as “fucking coward” for not wanting to give her his address. Along with this, she also allowed her fans to harass this kid online. Melanie knows what her fans are doing on the internet and she proved this multiple times. She and her fans were publicly harassing and bullying this kid shamelessly
More tweets of Melanie threatening and scaring this kid on Twitter
Joseph’s statement regarding the situation
Source: https://x.com/imjoseph133/status/537264608399360000
I understand that the fan stole a robe from her and she wanted it back, but there were much better and more professional ways to deal with it without bullying this kid with her fans and calling him all kinds of names and insults. This was a 14 year old kid. She could have dealt with this privately without taking it to the internet for the whole world to see and help her out by harassing him.
It’s worth noting that Melanie just left her robe on stage (according to Joseph). It’s her responsibility to take care of her possessions. It’s her fault she was careless and wasn’t paying enough attention.
This appears to be a pattern with her. She allows her fans to harass Timothy, Madeleine, all of her ex partners and friends who shared their uncomfortable experiences with Melanie, Jazmin Bean and the list goes on..
She publicly defended Oliver Tree and a few of her exes so she clearly knows what’s going on in her own fandom. Melanie knows how parasocial her fans are and she benefits from that by letting them harass and bully people who dare raise their tongues against her, while she sits back, stays silent and watches.
54. Racism and Orientalism against East Asians
Melanie Martinez did a joke with her friend, Liz Davis Slezinger, about a “China Doll”:
However, the image is a racist and orientalist stereotype against East Asians, and we will explain why.
A “China Doll” is meant to mock porcelain figures made in China and their distinctive features (as they are East Asian), Melanie Martinez, a white woman, decides to intentionally overdramatise her face to look like the “China Doll”. This is racist because it mocks East Asian people’s features.
It is also orientalist, as the term itself, “China Doll” is a misogynistic, racially charged one designated specifically at East Asian women. Orientalist ideology is tied to misogyny, as misogyny usually prioritises a male, (masculine). Is superior, that would be coded as the west. While a female, (feminine), would be different cultures outside of the west. It exoticises the cultures and makes them seek weak colonial techniques. When you call someone a doll, it means they have no voice, so they cannot object, this would mean they could not object to violence, or anything happening to them, this reflects the West colonising Non-Western societies, particularly East Asian ones.
China Doll hypersexualises East Asian women, which can lead to extreme outcomes like sexual violence, rape and murder.
Here is proof they were friends:
55. Racist boyfriends (Vinnie and Edwin)
Melanie Martinez has had her fair share of boyfriends being blatantly racist, the first example is her boyfriend, Edwin Costa. Who she used to take explicit photos with and loved until around 2014 when they privately broke up. Apparently Edwin spread revenge porn of Melanie Martinez in 2017 and we don’t support that.
USEFUL THREADS THAT YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT:
Some of these threads include things we’ve already covered in this doc, but more detailed.
Breaking down the allegations from Timothy Heller and debunking lies spread by fans online - https://x.com/liliandaisies/status/1637190201494700032?s=20
Breaking down the accusations from Madeleine Carina - https://x.com/exposingmel/status/1892319516606054581?s=20
Problematic things Melanie has done - https://x.com/exposingmel/status/1879730567597773103?s=20
Debunking the lies Melanie fans spread about Timothy to tarnish her credibility - https://x.com/exposingmel/status/1959321719480668386?s=20