Bethany Funke Interview #2
November 16th, 2022
*****PLEASE NOTE******
Q - Just real quick, so I can say on this recording who is all here. Myself, Sgt. Blaker with the MPD, and then I have Sgt. Matthew W. with Nevada State Police Investigation - NGI. And (REDACTED)[Bethany Funke] sorry about that..
A - It’s okay.
Q - ..Is here with me with her attorney, (REDACTED). And the Transcriber. The time is approximately 11:55 AM.
Q - So, there’s a lot of different types of questions I’m going to be asking today. So I’m not here just to go back through another timeline again.
A - Okay.
Q - Based off of our investigation, now we have some other things that we kind of want to get some more information on, and we’re hoping that that’s something that you can provide to us. Okay? So I’m actually going to start with those questions first.
A - Okay.
Q - And then at the end, we’ll go back over your timeline a little bit better. Okay?
A - Uh-huh.
Q - All right. So, let’s see; The first question I have for you, just trying to get some ideas of the routine of the house. The front door code, how many people have that code?
A - Um – I only know like (3) people that have it and then all of us roommates.
Q - Okay, so everyone that lived there?
A - Yeah.
Q - Okay. And how many people actually lived in the house?
A - That actually were like paying rent?
Q - Or sleeping in the house?
A - Like every single day?
Q - Pretty much.
A - Okay. So, me, (REDACTED) [Dylan], MADDIE, KAYLEE, XANA, ETHAN.
Q - Okay. What about that other downstairs bedroom?
A - No one.
Q - No one was living in that room? Okay. So, all of you have the code, and then (3) other people?
A - Yes.
Q - Do you know who those (3) people are?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - Do you know (REDACTED)’s last name?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - And what was the purpose of her having the code?
A - she’s one of my best friends, so she was always coming over.
Q - Okay. And who else had it?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - How do you spell her last name?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - Okay. And then just another friend or?
A - Yeah, one of my friends.
Q - Okay. And then who else had it?
A - and then (REDACTED).
Q - Okay. Was she your friend? Or was she (REDACTED)’s friend?
A - They’re all of all our friends.
Q - Okay. Do you all belong to the same sorority house?
A - and then I know actually (3) more people that have that.
Q - (3) more people? Okay.
A - (REDACTED)
Q - okay.
A - (REDACTED)
Q - uh-huh.
A - And (REDACTED).
Q - Okay.
A - And then (REDACTED).
Q - And what was the reason for these (3) having it?
A - They’re all like really good friends of all of ours.
Q - So just really close people?
A - Yeah.
Q - Is that pretty much the only people you gave it to?
A - To my knowledge, that’s the only people that know it.
Q - Okay. Did you give them these –
A - No.
Q - Each of these people the codes?
A - No.
Q - Okay. Any other one of the members of the house gave these individuals the code?
A - yes.
Q - Whether it’s you, (REDACTED), or (REDACTED).
A - One of them had to have given him the code.
Q - Okay. When was the last time you guys changed it?
A - Never.
Q - You’ve never changed the code?
A - I moved in – Me, (REDACTED) [Dylan], XANA, and KAYLEE were all moved into that house, but MADDIE lived there the year before.
Q - Okay.
A - And they didn’t change it from the year before.
Q - And what was the code?
A - oh, I believe it was (REDACTED).
Q - Okay. And that’s what you remember it being?
A - Mhm.
Q - Okay.
A - It’s more of like a pattern when I see it, but that’s how I remember it, I think that’s the numbers.
Q - And you moved in when?
A - August 3rd, 2022.
Q - So at the start of the school year?
A - Yeah.
Q - And that’s when you, XANA, XANA or ZAYNA?
A - XANA.
Q - XANA. ETHAN, and who was the other one who moved in at that time?
A - I don’t know if ETHAN was – I can’t remember if ETHAN was there at that time.
Q - Did he actually live in the house? Or did he have his own place?
A - He had his own place, but he stayed there every night.
Q - Where did he actually live, do you know?
A - It was an apartment by this one gas station. I don’t really know the street or anything.
Q - Do you remember the gas station?
A - Yeah, the ‘76’
Q - By the ‘76’?
A - Yeah.
Q - So on the opposite end of campus?
A - Mhm.
Q - You remember it?
A - yeah.
Q - Okay. Did he live with anyone?
A - nuh-uh. It was just him.
Q - Just him?
A - mhm.
Q - Okay. All right. And you said MADDIE was the one that was living in there prior?
A - mhm.
Q - So was she the only one who was currently in the house that had been in the house the year before?
A - Yes.
Q - Okay. Did she switch rooms at all?
A - nuh-uh.
Q - And her room was upstairs at the top of the stairs to the right? Next to the bathroom?
A - Yes.
Q - Okay. And your room – I know you lived on the very bottom floor.
A - uh-huh [yes]. Right when you walk in to the left.
Q - And it was the one you go through the front door to the left. Okay, so that’s what we thought, okay. What about MURPHY’s routine, the dog?
A - Um –
Q - Who took him out? How often did he go out? What was kind of the normal standard routine for taking him out?
A - I believe KAYLEE mainly took him out. MADDIE would sometimes take him out if KAYLEE didn’t want to. And she just kind of took him out whenever. Sometimes she would take him out through the back, but sometimes she would take him out through the front door and he then he’d just go.
Q - Did they ever use a leash with him? Or did they just open the door and let him go?
A - She never used a leash, but she had like a little collar that would buzz if he was running away that she would put on sometimes.
Q - Okay. Okay. So did she have an exterior around the property?
A - No. It was just like a little shock, or –
Q - (inaudible)
A - Yeah, something like that.
Q - Okay, so she had a hand held push button or something like that?
A - Yeah, yeah.
Q - Okay. All right. Okay. Would you guys ever leave the rear slider open so he could go in and out as he pleased?
A - No, because he would run away usually.
Q - How old was he? Was he a skittish dog? Was he friendly? Did he bark at anything that moved?
A - he was pretty friendly. He didn’t bark that often, but he would bark sometimes. I don’t know, he’s a good dog.
Q - okay.
A - but he was a puppy, so like, not completely trained.
Q - So he’s not like some dogs who are scared of their own shadow and they just bark and run and hide from anything?
A - Yeah, no.
Q - Did he always sleep in KAYLEE’s room?
A - Mhm.
Q - Never wandered off down to one of your guys’ rooms?
A - Nuh-uh. She always shut the door.
Q - She’d always shut the door?
A - Mhm.
Q - Okay.
A - Or kept him in there when she wasn’t in there.
Q - So, you’ve heard of a – sounds like a fairly routine ‘Uber’ driver –
A - Yeah.
Q - –That used to drive either all of you from the house, or mostly just MADDIE and KAYLEE?
A - Uh –
Q - Can you explain who this guy is? How this relationship started and everything like that?
A - I know KAYLEE I think knew him from some of the other – (REDACTED) would always take his ‘Uber’ and they had his number and he always helped them and got them whenever they needed it, and so then most of the school would take his ‘Uber’
Q - Most of the school?
A - Yeah.
Q - So a lot of people know him?
A - A lot of people, yeah.
Q - And have used him?
A - mhm.
Q - How would they normally contact him?
A - Either just through the ‘Uber’ app, or through the phone.
Q - So like a direct phone number?
A - mhm.
Q - Have you ever used him before?
A - Yes.
Q - What is he like?
A - He’s a really nice guy, to my knowledge.
Q - Do you know his name?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - Has he ever acted strange or odd with you guys?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Never said anything or done anything inappropriate that you’ve ever heard?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Have you ever heard either KAYLEE or MADDIE say anything odd after he gave them a ride home or something?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Okay.
A - Everyone pretty much loved him. They all used his ‘Uber’
Q - Okay. So he’s well enough liked and –
A - mhm.
Q - And they trust him?
A - Mhm.
Q - Is that mainly why they used him so much?
A - mhm.
Q - Do you know anything more about him? Like his personal life or anything?
A - I know his wife just had a baby.
Q - So he didn’t play it off that he was single or anything like that with you guys?
A - nuh-uh, no.
Q - And what kind of car is it?
A - It’s a smaller car.
Q - Do you remember what color?
A - I don’t really – like a grey or black, maybe. Or white, I honestly don’t know, I don’t remember.
Q - No worries. I know I asked a little bit about current boyfriends when we first talked.
A - Mhm.
Q - Who all out of all of you living in the house, primarily you (5) girls, who all had boyfriends?
A - XANA, at the time?
Q - Currently.
A - Like currently?
Q - yeah.
A - Okay. XANA and MADDIE.
Q - And XANA’s boyfriend was ETHAN?
A - ETHAN, yes.
Q - Who is (REDACTED) [Dylan??] dating?
A - his name is (REDACTED), He lives in Boise.
Q - Do you know his last name?
A - I do not.
Q - Is he in high school still or..
A - He goes to (inaudible) (REDACTED)
Q - And MADDIE?
A - (REDACTED) [Jake Schriger]
Q - Were they (REDACTED)?
A - (REDACTED) I believe is how you pronounce it.
Q - (REDACTED)
A - (REDACTED)
Q - And you said (REDACTED) [Schriger]?
A - Yeah.
Q - Can you spell it, please?
A - (REDACTED)..
Q - Okay. And is he a student at U of I or somewhere else?
A - He graduated from U of I. (REDACTED)
Q - Do you know what he does in (REDACTED)?
A - He has a job, like a 9:00 to 5:00 job. That’s all I know, I forget what it was.
Q - But you don’t know what it is?
A - I forget what it was.
Q - Were all of those fairly recent boyfriends? Or had they been dating for a while?
A - They’ve all been dating for like a while.
Q - KAYLEE had an ex-boyfriend, right?
A - Yes.
Q - And that was..
A - (REDACTED) [Jack Ducoeur].
Q - (inaudible) his last name. Okay. Was there anyone else that she was seeing? Maybe kind of hanging out with quite a bit more?
A - Um –
Q - Possibly a (REDACTED)?
A - (REDACTED) remember.
Q - What is he like?
A - He’s super nice too. He (REDACTED), like I (inaudible) I don’t like –
Q - I know what you’re talking about, yeah.
A - yeah.
Q - And is that how KAYLEE met him, was through XANA?
A - No, I don’t think so. KAYLEE just knew just (inaudible - guys?? Alex??)
Q - Just knew (inaudible) So can you kind of explain a little bit about their interactions? Were they kind of starting a dating relationship or were they kind of just friendly with each other?
A - I don’t really know. They would talk a lot, and I think she kind of liked him, but it was just like a beginning thing.
Q - Was there a lot of flirting going on between the two of them?
A - I think a little.
Q - A little?
A - Yeah.
Q - Had he ever stayed the night at your guys’ house?
A - No, but she stayed with him, like a few times I think. Maybe (twice).
Q - Do you know where he lives?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - Do you know if he’s ever been to your house?
A - Yes. He has.
Q - Is that just from the normal coming to the parties type of stuff? Or had he been over there when there wasn’t a party?
A - No, not that I know of, other than —
Q - Not that you know of?
A - Yeah. Maybe homework sometime.
Q - Was there any other (REDACTED) that you know that are either hanging out with KAYLEE recently?
A - I don’t know if they ever like hung out, but I think she liked him and they were kind of talking a little, but then they didn’t.
Q - Who was that?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - (REDACTED)
Q - Taking a wild guess on that one.
A - (REDACTED)
Q - And it’s (REDACTED) then?
A - mhm.
Q - So what do you mean by ‘they were kind of hanging out for a while, but nothing ever came of it.’?
A - I think they were just kind of flirting.
Q - Okay.
A - And they talked before I think. Then it just kind of came up again, but then nothing really came out of it.
Q - And did this all take place after her and (REDACTED) [Jack Ducoeur] broke up?
A - Yes.
Q - Same with (REDACTED)?
A - Mhm.
Q - So these didn’t start before or anything like that?
A - Nuh-uh [No]
Q - Everything started afterwards?
A - mhm.
Q - What about you? Do you have a current or ex-boyfriend?
A - no.
Q - Any guys – you know, the flirty starting of a relationship or anything?
A - I had (1) guy kind of. His name was (REDACTED).
Q - Where does he live?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - Has he been over to your place before?
A - mhm.
Q - Same thing? Parties or?
A - Parties mostly.
Q - Nothing serious between the two of you?
A - Not really.
Q - Did he want more?
A - I don’t know, it’s just kind of newer.
Q - Newer?
A - Yeah.
Q - Kind of that beginning stage of getting to know each other?
A - mhm.
Q - A lot of talking?
A - mhm.
Q - Mostly through phone, or in person?
A - Both.
Q - A little bit of both?
A - mhm.
Q - Any other admirers or guys who just wouldn’t catch a clue that would hang out or try to hang out, kind of hang around you guys, come to your parties all the time and be annoying that you can think of?
A - Not really, like, no one that would be like creepy towards anyone.
Q - Have you ever heard the name (REDACTED)?
A - I know (REDACTED), I don’t know his last name.
Q - His name just came out, so I’m not even sure if he’s involved.
A - Is he (REDACTED)?
Q - I can’t remember. Trying to remember who told it to me.
OTHER INVESTIGATOR - What do you know about him?
A - All I know is that he’s super nice, he was friends with (REDACTED) and all of them. He had a long time girlfriend, but then they broke up recently. That’s all I know.
Q - Okay. (REDACTED) (inaudible) Referring to wasn’t (REDACTED)
A - Okay, that might be the same one then.
Q - Okay. So a nice guy, though?
A - Mhm. I’ve never like really had a conversation with him. He was always friends with my friend.
Q - So, I’m going to ask a point blank question with (REDACTED).
A - Mhm.
Q - Does he sell drugs of any kind?
A - Not that I know of.
Q - not that you know of?
A - Nuh-uh [no].
Q - What about a (REDACTED)? Is that a name you’re familiar with?
A -(inaudible - Nuh-uh [no]??)
Q - So, I know everyone is already aware of the video from the ‘Grub Truck.’
A - mhm.
Q - Everyone watching it. And there’s an individual behind — that shows up the same time that KAYLEE and MADDIE do.
A - mhm.
Q - And then kind of leaves right after they do. Do you know who that was?
A - I do not.
Q - Have you seen that video?
A - But I have seen the video, and I know people think they know who it was.
Q - Do you know anyone with the last name (REDACTED)?
A - I don’t know him personally, but, I’ve heard the name.
Q - What have you heard?
A - well, I heard recently that.. I forget who said it, but someone said that their boyfriend or something said that ‘they never want to get in a fight with him because he has anger issues’ kind of and is ‘known for beating up’
Q - But that came third or fourth party basically?
A - Yeah.
Q - Do you know, might be able to figure out who would know it direct hand, so we could talk to that person about him?
A - I think it was (REDACTED) told me that. Who was (REDACTED). I’m not positive on that.
Q - Do you know who her boyfriend is?
A - Yeah (REDACTED).
Q - Do you know (REDACTED)’s last name?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - And is (REDACTED) in the Fraternity?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - So you think that maybe (REDACTED) might have been?
A - I’m pretty sure he was, or that’s what I heard.
Q - You heard that he was?
A - Yeah.
Q - But you’ve never seen..
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Would you even recognize him if you saw him on the street?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - So you probably have no idea if he’s ever been in your house or anything like that?
A - I don’t think he — I’ve never heard anyone say anything about him.
Q - When you were watching the ‘Grub Truck’ video, did you see anyone else that was standing behind KAYLEE or MADDIE when they were getting their food that you recognized?
A - I thought I recognized someone, I’d need to see the video again.
Q - yeah, I don’t have it up with me.
A - I can —
Q - — it’s booked in as evidence. I know there was a bigger guy wearing a dark ‘Carhartt’
A - I have no idea who that was.
Q - Okay, but you know who I’m talking about, right?
A - Yeah. I can look up the video.
Q - That’s fine. I don’t know how to really run that ‘Twitch’ stuff, so I’m sure you guys do it a lot better than I do. I just know it’s right towards the end before they closed.
[BETHANY looks at ‘Grub Truck’ video]
A - I can’t find the part where I thought I recognized someone, but.
Q - It’s okay.
A - yeah.
Q - Are you a Freshman?
A - No, I’m a Sophomore.
Q - You’re a Sophomore, okay. So you may just not know..
A - Yeah.
Q - ..enough of the people that would hang out down there.
A - I know some of the people that work at the ‘Corner Club’, though, that maybe if he was there.
Q - Well, we have footage from the ‘Corner Club’
A - oh, okay.
Q - Because we knew that KAYLEE and MADDIE had come from the ‘Corner Club’
A - oh.
Q - So we do have the video footage from there.
A - oh.
Q - I just haven’t seen it yet, so. So you guys have a router in your house for the internet?
A - Wi-Fi?
Q - Yeah.
A - yeah.
Q - Whose account was that under?
A - KAYLEE’s.
Q - Okay. Do you know the password or username for it?
A - No.
Q - Do you know if it’s —
A - The password could be the same — wait, do you need the Wi-Fi password?
Q - That part I don’t know. I don’t know if I need that one or if it’s going to be a different password. It should be for the actual ‘Spectrum’ account.
A - Oh. (Inaudible)
Q - There’s probably an administrator.
?? Q - There should be a password for the router.
Q - It would be (REDACTED)
Q - It was for sure KAYLEE that had it?
A - Yeah.
Q - You said it was a private account?
A - uh-huh
Q - It wasn’t open to just anyone that came in, right?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Or did you have two different ones?
A - No. Just one.
Q - Okay, so what would be the login that you would use when you logged into it?
A - Like password?
Q - mhm.
A - (REDACTED)
Q - What was the name? Like ‘Dave’s Bar and Grill’ or..
A - I think it was (REDACTED). Not positive on that.
Q - And then (REDACTED) actual password?
A - Yeah. I can’t remember if (REDACTED) was in it or not, but the password.
Q - No, it’s fine. Did you guys ever give the password out to many people?
A - not a ton of people, just a select few.
Q - Kind of like your guys’ code to the front door?
A - Yeah.
Q - Just very selective people?
A - Yeah, just because it would overpower it and then it just wouldn’t work.
Q - So obviously I know since you moved in, you guys have had a few parties at the house.
A - Mhm.
Q - Because I’ve been to at least (1) Noise Complaint there.
A - Mhm.
Q - Right towards the very start of the year. Have, at any time, when you guys had a party, were there any issues with anyone who attended that party that somebody had to get thrown out, they had to be told to leave, or anything like that?
A - I know some people — or, (2) guys got in a fight once. But, they usually fight, I don’t know.
Q - Did you happen to know who the (2) guys were?
A - Yeah.
Q - Or did you witness it?
A - I have a video, actually.
Q - Really?
A - Yeah.
Q - Who were the (2) guys fighting?
A - (REDACTED) and the second (REDACTED).
Q - And who was he fighting?
A - I just know him by (REDACTED).
Q - Just (REDACTED)?
A - I believe so, yeah.
Q - Do you know why they were fighting?
A - They just get in fights sometimes I think.
Q - Are they both Fraternity members?’
A - mhm. They’re in the same Fraternity, too.
Q - Which one?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - Is your house and (REDACTED) a lot with each other?
A - We mainly hang out with —
Q - Kind of picking up on a theme here.
A - Yeah, we mainly hang out with the (REDACTED).
Q - Okay.
A - Yeah.
Q - Because ETHAN was in (REDACTED) [Sigma Chi], right?
A - Mhm.
Q - And his Brother was a (REDACTED)?
A - Mhm.
Q - (REDACTED)
A - (REDACTED)
Q - And you said you have that video, or did you get rid of it?
A - KAYLEE, or someone sent it to me.
Q - How long ago was this fight?
A - I’ll try to look. Let’s see — [long pause]
Q - Was it sent to you as a normal text?
A - Yeah, I think it was.
Q - We might have it then, because we downloaded your phone.
A - Oh.
Q - We might already have it from there.
A - I think (REDACTED)sent it to me, but — and she got it from someone else.
Q - So you didn’t actually see the fight?
A - No.
Q - You just saw the video?
A - Well, I saw a little bit of it. Not really, just one of them laying on the floor.
Q - So you saw the aftermath of it?
A - Yeah.
Q - Do you remember when that was? A week ago? 2 months ago?
A - It wasn’t a week or 2 weeks ago. Maybe it was a month ago.
Q - About a month, okay. So I know you said no one slept or was using that other downstairs room across from you.
A - Mhm.
Q - But we found mail in there.
A - You found what?
Q - Mail.
A - oh, sometimes I think maybe they put mail in there, I don’t know.
Q - Do you know (REDACTED)?
A - Yeah, she used to live there.
Q - She used to?
A - Mhm.
Q - When did she move out?
A - last year.
Q - Last year. Is she still in the area?
A - No. She lives in (REDACTED) and then moved to (REDACTED). MADDIE used to do a lot of work in there and she would always get the mail —
Q - Is that why there’s a computer there?
A - Yeah. And she used to get the mail, so maybe she just put it in there.
Q - And you said MADDIE was the one that was doing a lot of work in there?
A - MADDIE and KAYLEE both did work in there, but mainly MADDIE.
Q - Do you know whose computer that was there in the room then?
A - Weren’t there like (2)? (1)?
Q - No. So the one behind the door was just a monitor.
A - Oh.
Q - And then as you walk in the door to the right, there was actually a computer, a small computer.
A - That’s all MADDIE’s.
Q - Okay. So that was MADDIE’s computer?
A - Yeah.
Q - Who all had jobs?
A - MADDIE, KAYLEE, XANA.
Q - Just those 3?
A - mhm.
Q - Which (2) worked at ’Mad Greek’?
A - MADDIE and XANA.
Q - What was KAYLEE doing?
A - She worked for a company from home. I don’t know what company it was.
Q - Was this company who she was working for, the reason she was going to move to Texas? Or was thinking about it —
A - I can’t remember. It might’ve been, but I think she just kind of wanted to try to start —
Q - She just wanted to go somewhere else?
A - Something else, yeah. And MADDIE also worked for another company but, I don’t —
Q - Was it the same one?
A - No, it wasn’t the same one. I don’t know the name of it. She did that one from home and then worked at ‘Mad Greek’ too.
Q - So they both worked from companies from at home?
A - mhm.
Q - but not the same one?
A - yes.
Q - Do you know what the other one did? The one that MADDIE was working for? Did she ever talk about what she did?
A - She sent me like — she made this list where you could sign up to get a call with her, and she sent it to me because she wanted to show me what she made or whatever.
Q - Did she make stuff? Or was she trying to sell stuff?
A - I can’t — I don’t really know. She was like interviewing people or something for the job. I’m not positive.
Q - Was it a big company? Or was it a local company she was doing stuff for?
A - I believe it was a (REDACTED) because when she was (REDACTED) over the summer, she worked for them at the office.
Q - Okay.
A - But it’s all business stuff and I don’t know much about it at all.
Q - Okay. So she worked for them actually in their facility?
A - mhm.
Q - During the summer, but then when she went back up there, she was just doing it through online stuff?
A - Yes.
Q - Okay, that makes a little more sense. Thank you.
A - mhm.
Q - Do you happen to have — because you mentioned (REDACTED), do you happen to have a phone number for her?
A - Yes.
Q - Because remembering back to your initial interview that I had with you, she was at the house that night, right?
A - Yes.
Q - Okay. So what’s her phone number?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - Thank you.
A - mhm.
Q - So people are talking, people are giving us all kinds of information. One thing that I picked up from one of the interviews that I did, was rumors of potential drug use with ETHAN and XANA. Especially when they drank.
A - I believe they took Adderall.
Q - Was it Adderall?
A - Yes. But that’s it. From my knowledge.
Q - And how did you hear that?
A - Well —
Q - Have you ever witnessed it?
A - that night I saw them take it, yeah.
Q - So you saw them — how were they taking it?
A - ETHAN I think just swallowed the pill, and I think XANA snorted it.
Q - And where was that at?
A - In XANA’s room.
Q - Okay. That actually fits in what we found.
A - Mhm.
Q - Thank you. That’s actually good for us. We’re just trying to figure out the different things that we found. Did someone have a prescription for Adderall?
A - I don’t know who they got it from. But no, neither of them did.
Q - Did anyone else in the house use drugs at all? Especially the party drugs?
A - I think KAYLEE sometimes took an Adderall, but other than that, I don’t think so.
Q - And was it an Adderall, or “something”?
A - All I know is that it was Adderall, yeah.
Q - Since you moved in, has there been any issues with any of the neighbors, not just within your close proximity, but from — I think you guys refer to them as the “(REDACTED)” apartments to your east. So when you’re looking at your front door to the left there.
A - All I know is that we got a lot of Noise Complaints.
Q - I’m aware.
A - Yeah.
Q - It happens, though.
A - Yeah.
Q - A lot of parties there.
A - Yeah. So I don’t — nothing else though. Only (inaudible)
Q - So no one has ever yelled at you guys when you have a party?
A - No.
Q - Or the dog is out barking out back or anything like that, they ever yelled?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Do you know how many noise complaints you guys have had since you moved in?
A - Maybe (4) or (3)
Q - (4) or (3), okay. So when you had your parties, have you noticed anyone that would be in the house that was kind of out of place or loitering around in areas that everyone else wasn’t? Like your bedrooms or upstairs or anything like that?
A - Not really. No one that we weren’t really friends with would come. Or that not one of us knew.
Q - So was it an invite-only type party? Or would people crash it?
A - Pretty much invite-only, but some people would show up sometimes. But like mostly we knew them, so it didn’t really matter.
Q - So to your recollection, you would recognize most of the people that were there?
A - mhm. Yeah.
Q - And they were fairly regular people that you knew from other places?
A - mhm. People that we normally would hang out with.
Q - So before I get back into the timeline again; is there anything else that you can think of that we need to know? Anyone else you think we need to talk to that might be able to help direct us in the right direction?
A - Not really that I can think of.
Q - Okay.
A - Because most of the best friends that were there, you guys already have talked to.
Q - We’ve talked to quite a few.
A - Yeah.
Q - There’s even some more that we’re still trying to communicate with.
A - Yeah. I don’t know if this is helpful or anything, but, we did — KAYLEE was looking at just some stuff, like Registered — there’s Registered Sex Offenders, and there’s one that lived right next door to us kind of.
Q - Do you remember that name?
A - I don’t remember their name, but it was on —
Q - So what do you mean by “right next door”?
A - It’s like right down the street.
Q - So on Taylor?
A - Not on Taylor, on King, I believe.
Q - So on King?
A - or on King or Queen, one of those. Like on the corner, kind of. In like those blue apartments, I don’t know, I think there — I don’t know, you can look it up, it will show up.
Q - So if I turn onto King coming off of Taylor Street, you have the house on the right
A - mhm.
Q - Big white apartment building, then you have (REDACTED), which I think is more of an off-campus Frat house.
A - Do you know the —
Q - The other (2) houses around the corner, but then at the other bottom just to your left as you come on to King, you have that little four-plex, and then just behind it, there’s a set of (2) different blue apartments. Is it those the ones that you’re talking about?
A - Yeah like those, I don’t know exactly where over there, but it was around that area.
Q - okay. I think I know what you’re talking about then. Because it would be, if I walked up the steps coming off Taylor and ‘The Whites’ to go to your place..
A - mhm.
Q - ..it would be to your right?
A - Yes.
Q - Okay.
A - Any of those. I don’t know exactly where, but that just popped up on the thing, yeah.
Q - And it was a male?
A - mhm.
Q - Younger or older?
A - Older. Older. Maybe like 30s or 40s, I don’t know if that’s old —
Q - (inaudible) old, you can say whatever you want. (Laughs) I remember being your age and thinking people my age now are old.
A - (laughs)
Q - Now I’m this age, so it’s all about where you’re at in your life.
A - (laughs)
Q2 - Let me ask a couple questions on that?
A - mhm.
Q2 - When was KAYLEE looking up sex offenders?
A - Not too long ago. Probably like either a week, like a week ago maybe.
Q2 - Did she tell you why she wanted to look these offenders up?
A - No. She always was kind of into the crime podcasts and stuff like that, and those kind of shows. I think she just randomly looked it up.
Q - So was she doing it kind of more for curiosity or fun?
A - Yeah, it was curiosity.
Q - Okay. So she likes to watch crime shows?
A - mhm.
Q - Would she watch them quite a bit?
A - Yeah, I believe so.
Q - there was nothing of ‘I just had a weird interaction with some guy, I’m curious to see if he might be a sex offender’ or something?
A - nuh-uh [no]. We were all shocked to find out that —
Q - That she did it?
A - No, that it was that close.
Q - Oh. Another question though; I believe it was KAYLEE..
A - mhm.
Q - Had (2) different incidents that she’s reported to other people.
A - mhm.
Q - Do you know what I’m talking about?
A - Yeah. The WinCo, and then the backyard thing?
Q - Yeah.
A - Yeah.
Q - What do you know about those?
A - I know that she told me the WinCo thing; she noticed a guy following her around the store, and she kept looking back, and he still followed her, and she checked out with the stuff she was buying, and then he didn’t buy anything, but then continued to follow her out. And she went to her car, and quickly got in it, and he was standing right behind it. And XANA was in the car with her, sitting there waiting for her in the car.
Q - Did she tell you this story herself?
A - Yes.
Q - Or did you hear it from someone else?
A - She told me.
Q - Did she ever describe him to you? Like age? Height? Skin color?
A - I think she said he was African American.
Q - Did she say about how old she thought he was?
A - Definitely on the older side.
Q - So back to your 30s or 40s?
A - Maybe, or 20s, maybe, like older 20s.
Q - So like late 20s or 30s?
A - Yeah.
Q2 - Did she say that? Or that’s what you’re guessing?
A - I think that’s what she said. I’m not positive.
Q2 - Okay, so you’re not positive on if she even talked about an age?
A - No.
Q2 - Okay, and that’s fine.
A - I think that’s what she said, though. I don’t know.
Q2 - That’s okay.
Q - Do you know when that was?
A - I can’t exactly remember. I guess like a month ago or something like that.
Q - Prior to or after Halloween?
A - Prior to, I’d say.
Q - So sometime maybe late, early, mid-late October?
A - yeah. I think.
Q - I’m just trying to narrow it down, because we might be able to still go back and pull video footage.
A - oh, okay.
Q2 - Do you know if she bought something when she was there?
A - Yes, she did.
Q2 - Did she normally shop there?
A - Yeah. WinCo is the cheapest, so usually we —
Q - Do you know how much she bought?
A - I know she bought a case of White Claws. I don’t know if she bought anything else.
Q - I’m going to ask it anyway; is that fairly normal for her to go there to buy a case of White Claws?
A - Yeah.
Q2 - How do you know she bought White Claws on that time?
A - Because she was getting it for XANA, I believe.
Q - Okay, so she was there buying it for her?
A - mhm.
Q - Would she pay for that with cash or a credit card?
A - I think WinCo only takes card at self checkout, and I believe she did self checkout.
Q - So she used a debit card?
Q - I think WinCo has to take credit, but I’m not positive.
A - It’s either debit or credit, yeah, one of those.
Q - Most of the machines —
A - I believe (inaudible)
Q - There’s a couple that are cash only and there’s others that are (inaudible)
A - mhm
Q - yeah, our WinCo here, you can’t use cash at all.
Q - No, you can only use cash or debit card, no credit.
Q - Oh is that what it is?
Q - Yeah
Q - Then that makes sense, okay
A - mhm
Q - But my point is, when she would do her normal shopping, would she use her debit card there?
A - I’m actually not positive.
Q - Do you know if she ever used XANA’s card to make the purchase?
A - XANA usually gave cash, because she would use her tip money from her job to whoever got it and give it to them. I don’t know if KAYLEE used cash or..
Q - Okay, but it’s at least something to follow up on.
A - mhm
Q - Was it more at night or the afternoon?
A - night
Q - Night?
A - mhm
Q - Do you happen to know where she banks? What bank?
A - I think most people up in Idaho use ‘Idaho Central’, but..
Q - especially our college kids
A - Yeah.
Q - Are using it because their push on campus.
A - yeah.
Q - Which I think we may already have.
Q - And what’s the girl’s name?
A - KAYLEE.
Q - KAYLEE? You know if she had an app on her phone that would have her banking, like do the kids your age use banking apps?
A - Oh, maybe just to check it.
Q - Yeah.
A - Yeah, she might’ve.
Q - We’ll have it there then, too. okay.
Q - So that’s all the other questions I have; anything come up with —
Q - So, I just had a couple of quick things; so, the (REDACTED) you had said somebody recently said that he maybe had some anger issues and you didn’t want to get in a fight with him?
A - Yeah.
Q - Was that before or after this incident?
A - After.
Q - Okay. So that was something that came up after.
A - mhm.
Q - Did you ever hear anything before that at all?
A - No. I heard that he really has no association with (REDACTED) anymore. I don’t know really..
Q - Do you know what happened there?
A - No. All I know is that they don’t really hang out. No association.
Q - And then obviously I’m probably the one that knows the least in the room, so if this doesn’t make sense to everybody else, and I don’t. But so, there’s a front door?
A - mhm
Q - Do most people use that to access the house?
A - Yes, some people though did sometimes come through the back.
Q - Which is what kind of entrance?
A - sliding.
Q - Are those the only entrance and exits that are accessible?
A - I guess if you were strong enough, or climbed this one tree, you could get onto the top balcony.
Q - And there’s another door up there to a balcony?
A - Yes, there’s a window, and MADDIE usually leaves her window unlocked and open, I believe.
Q - Okay.
A - And then KAYLEE’s sliding door in her room.
Q - Did she normally leave that unlocked?
A - No. She always locks it.
Q - What about the other sliding door?
A - we usually lock it, but I don’t know. We were drunk, came home..
Q - Was it a secure sliding door?
A - Yeah, pretty secure, you can lock it.
Q - Okay. Somebody mentioned there was also a front door code?
A - mhm
Q - That was set when you moved in?
A - yes.
Q - Is that connected to home automation? Or is that just a stand alone thing where you had to login specifically on that door to change the code?
A - I actually have no idea.
Q - Could you unlock it from an app?
A - No.
Q - Okay, so it was just the code on the door?
A - Yes.
Q - Okay.
A - And our door — I don’t know if I mentioned this before — was wide open one day when we came home and no one left it open or anything and it wasn’t really shutting right or working, but then XANA’s dad fixed it after Parents Weekend.
Q - So that would have been the week before, right?
A - Yeah. And the screws were kind of un loose on the door.
Q - So when did you guys find the door open?
Q - well, let’s clarify, it’s not the screws on the locking mechanism, it’s the screws on the actual plate..
A - (inaudible) hinges..
Q - On the hinges?
Q - On the strike plate?
Q - That’s what she said.
Q - So was it the hinges on the door that hold that it swings on, or on the strike plate where the mechanism comes in?
A - The door it swings on. Well, I don’t know, my dad noticed it. So, I’m not positive.
Q - One of the dad’s fixed it before you left town?
Q - Yeah, that’s what she was saying, yeah.
A - This was November 4th, [2022]. At 10:57 AM.
Q - Did anybody in the house have any home automation stuff? ‘Amazon Alexa’, ‘Echos’, things of that nature?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - And what time did you guys discover that door wide open?
A - At like 10:57 AM. Around that time.
Q - And how do you know that?
A - I just have a video of it on my phone.
Q - Pretty specific.
A - yeah.
Q - Did you guys video the actual door open?
A - No, we videoed us walking around with like golf clubs to protect each room.
Q - So you found it open, there’s the golf clubs in your room just to your right
A - Yeah. ETHAN’s golf clubs.
Q - So each of you went in and grabbed it and then you’re recording as you’re walking to make sure no one was in the house?
A - Yeah, and just checking it.
Q - Did you ever report that to us?
A - I don’t think so.
Q - And you guys never figured out what happened?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Was MURPHY still in the house when you guys got there?
A - I actually do not know.
Q - Or was he locked up in his cage up in KAYLEE’s room?
A - If that was —- KAYLEE went home for the weekend, that weekend.
Q - Okay, so she would’ve taken the dog with her?
A - I don’t remember if she took him, or if (REDACTED) [Jack Ducoeur], she gave him for the weekend.
Q - So you said (REDACTED) had an ‘Alexa’?
A - mhm
Q - Any other home automation stuff? ’Ring’ doorbell?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - No other video cameras that somebody had, to keep an eye on the dog during the day?
A - nuh-uh [no]. Because one of us was usually home at some point.
Q - You say you guys came home at 10:57 AM on the 4th and found this door open?
A - mhm.
Q - How long had you guys been out of the house that morning?
A - well, XANA left for work, I went to pick up MADDIE from class, and (REDACTED) [Dylan] came with me, and then we went and got coffee, and then brought XANA coffee at work, and then came home. So —
Q - So what time did you leave?
A - What time was it? I picked up MADDIE maybe around like 9:20 AM, maybe, whenever her class got out that day.
Q - so a couple hours around?
A - Maybe like an hour, 30 minutes, something like that.
Q - And then no one else would’ve been in the house at that time?
A - We called ETHAN too and asked if he was there and he said he hadn’t been there.
Q - Did you talk to any of the other people who you had given the key to?
A - nuh-uh [no]. They were probably just at their house at that time, or class.
Q - And what door did you exit out of?
A - That door. So maybe it didn’t shut fully, and it was windy that day.
Q - Who was the last one to walk out?
A - Maybe (REDACTED) [Dylan] or XANA, one of them. I don’t remember.
Q - We talked about WinCo. You said there was another incident that she told you about? Backyard?
A - oh, yeah.
Q - Did we talk about that?
Q - No, I think we got side tracked, thank you.
A - I think I told you guys this, but when I was — or, one time KAYLEE was home alone and me and (REDACTED) were at a meeting at our sorority or something like that, and she called us and asked when we were coming home, and I said “like right now”, and she said “okay, good.” And then she said, “I swear I saw someone watching me when I was taking MURPHY out to pee from our back window at night.” Just like — she said “She saw a silhouette of like a man, watching her.”
Q - So like someone was in the house watching her?
A - No, like in our backyard, like up that hill kind of.
Q - Where that parking lot is?
A - Yeah.
Q - Like a (inaudible)
A - I don’t know.
Q - well, the apartment building to the east parking lot wraps around the back side of their back portion of their house.
A - mhm
Q - So there’s a little bit of a landing with a bunch of parking up there.
Q - And what night was that again?
A - I don’t remember the night.
Q - Do you remember, was it around the same time as the WinCo incident? Before or after?
A - I want to say that was before.
Q - Okay. So early-October - mid-October?
A - yes.
Q - Or even before that?
A - um —-
Q - Do you remember what the weather was?
Q - or do you remember what the meeting was that you had gone to?
A - we went to a Chapter meeting, which is every Monday, I believe it was Chapter, it could have been a Sisterhood, but also, the sorority was put on suspension from a certain time, and then we got back. And so there was this time period where we weren’t going to Chapter, but I forgot.
Q - You said she called you or messaged you?
A - Called me.
Q - Do you still have that on your phone maybe? Or would it be deleted by now?
A - It could be on there, but..
Q - Was it a long time ago?
A - Yeah.
Q - It’s more than 2 weeks, it’s not recent.
Q - Other than saying she saw a “silhouette of a man”, did she give you any identity in terms of features or race or?
A - nuh-uh [no
Q - Well, how far away would that be?
Q - Depending on where the guy was standing
A - Yeah, I don’t really know any of this part, so.
Q - 40 — 70 feet through trees, bushes.
Q - Did she say if he was doing anything? Or just standing there?
A - I think she said “he was just standing there and staring.”
Q - Okay. So no talk if he was maybe up there smoking or anything like that?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Did she get spooked a lot?
A - Um —- kind of. Mainly me and (REDACTED) [Dylan] would get spooked more than anyone else.
Q - Did KAYLEE ever make any mention that she felt like she might be — someone might be following her or anything like that?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Even after these incidents?
A - No.
Q - Okay.
A - I don’t know if I mentioned this too. Once, it was maybe like a week ago, I was in my room, and I was getting ready for bed, and it was early in the morning, like 1:00 AM maybe 2:00-ish AM. And I heard like a scream outside my window, and I got really scared. So i called like everyone in the house, and no one answered because they were asleep. But I called one of my friends, and she picked me up, and I slept at her place.
Q - Okay. And you said it was about 1:00 AM?
A - mhm. I actually might have just called MADDIE, but.
Q - And you said it was a week prior?
A - yeah.
Q - Who came and picked you up?
A - my friend (REDACTED).
Q - (inaudible)
A - mhm
Q - (inaudible)
A - mhm
Q - The scream; did it sound like either a male or a female?
A - mm, I don’t know, but it didn’t seem like a —- it sounded like a scared scream, but
Q - So not like somebody partying?
A - Yeah
Q - And hollering?
A - mhm. Like it made me scared, but I don’t know, maybe if someone was scaring their friend, I don’t know, like spooked them or something. But I sleep on the bottom all by myself so I was like, (inaudible)
Q - Right.
A - yeah.
Q - And your window is probably easiest to get to?
A - Yeah.
Q - Because of where it’s at.
A - probably mine or (REDACTED)’s.
Q - All right. I can’t think of others, but there might be more. but I’d like to kind of go back now to some of the events, starting really early Saturday when you woke up, and then kind of going from there.
A - okay.
Q - So kind of a 24-hour period is what I’m looking for.
A - mhm.
Q - So what time on Saturday did you get up?
A - I don’t know, actually. I got up later than all them. They all went and got coffee and food, and then I woke up and no one was home other than ETHAN, and me and ETHAN were just hanging out upstairs.
Q - But you don’t remember what time you woke up?
A - Probably like 10:00 AM or 11:00 AM, maybe.
Q - Did you text anyone when you first got up?
A - No, I figured that they just went and got coffee or something. because I just went upstairs and no one was there, and then I tracked them and they were getting coffee, so.
Q - You did what?
A - I tracked them and they were at ‘Taco Bell’, so I guessed.
Q - Did you track them? Was that through an app that you have?
A - Yeah, ‘Find My Friends’
Q - Does that log when you track them?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - But you said ETHAN was there though?
A - mhm
Q - And where was ETHAN at?
A - He was just sitting on the couch.
Q - So kind of now go through the rest of your day.
A - And then they came home, and we all got ready in KAYLEE’s room —- or me, MADDIE and (REDACTED) [Dylan] got ready in KAYLEE’s room, and KAYLEE.
Q - So the four of you?
A - mhm.
Q - what were you getting ready for?
A - we were going to our friends apartment across the street for just to hang out because it was a game day.
Q - So what do you mean by “across the street”?
A - At ‘The Whites’
Q - And which friend was that?
A - it’s a bunch of (REDACTED)’s, apartment.
Q - Do you remember anyone specific?
A - Yeah.
Q - Because I thought there was a bunch of photos of you guys.
A - (REDACTED), um (REDACTED), (REDACTED), I think those (3) live there, and then I think there’s (1) more, but.
Q - What about (REDACTED)?
A - That’s not her apartment, but she lives over there.
Q - So who were the names then?
A - (REDACTED) and I believe there’s another roommate, but I don’t know.
Q - And which one of the two ‘Whites’ did they live in? The far left one or the one closer to you guys?
A - The far one.
Q - Do you remember what number? What the door number is? So there should be (3) floors.
A - it’s (REDACTED) on like that side. On (REDACTED). So if you’re facing it, (REDACTED).
Q - And what time were you guys getting ready at?
A - Maybe I have a picture. I do not. Um — before 1:26 PM. It was probably like 11:00 AM or 12:00 PM, something like that.
Q - And what time did you go over to (REDACTED)’s?
A - Like 2:00-ish PM.
Q - Okay.
A - KAYLEE went before us, though.
Q - Okay. So KAYLEE left before, okay. So when you get there, you said you left around 2:00 PM?
A - mhm
Q - And who did you leave with then?
A - MADDIE, (REDACTED), XANA, ETHAN, (REDACTED). (REDACTED). Oh wait, no, not (REDACTED). Um, she was working. (REDACTED). (REDACTED). (REDACTED). (REDACTED). And then (2) other girls, but I don’t remember their names.
Q - Okay, I think most of these you’ve already talked about. (REDACTED)?
A - He was with us at the place, the apartment.
Q - Okay, so one of my guys already talked to him.
A - mhm.
Q - And (REDACTED) you’ve already given me his name, right?
A - mhm
Q - What about (REDACTED)?
A - (REDACTED) I think..
Q - Okay, and (REDACTED)’s last name?
A - uh, I believe it’s (REDACTED), I’m not positive.
Q - Okay, I think the rest of..
A - Oh, sorry, (REDACTED), yeah.
Q - Okay. So you guys are all over now at that (REDACTED)?
A - mhm
Q - And that’s around 2:00 PM?
A - I don’t know how long —
Q - And you went as one big group?
A - yes. I don’t know how long the girls did, though.
Q - That’s fine. To be honest right now, I’m trying to follow mostly your day.
A - okay.
Q - And then we can start placing in some of when you and MADISON and KAYLEE were there.
A - mhm.
Q - ETHAN and XANA were there at (REDACTED).
A - mhm
Q - That’s kind of the groove I’m trying to follow for the most part. Okay. So then you’re here at 2:00 PM. Was this pre before going to the game?
A - I don’t think most of us were going to go to the game, just like a hang out with people.
Q - Okay. Were you guys drinking there at this point?
A - Yes.
Q - had you been drinking before?
A - yes.
Q - okay. What time did you guys start drinking?
A - Maybe at like 11:30 AM?
Q - So as you guys were getting ready?
A - Yeah, something like that. At 12:00 PM. We were all ready by the point.
Q - When you started?
A - yeah.
Q - Okay. And what were you primarily drinking?
A - I had, at that point?
Q - Just throughout the night.
A - Mimosas, and High Noons, that’s it.
Q - And High Noons?
A - mhm. And then I did play “Rage Cage” later in the night, but I don’t know like what that was.
Q - What’s ‘Rage Cage’?
A - Like a drinking game.
Q - Can you explain it?
A - You put, either a little bit, like a little shot of beer or twist— or anything you have in a cup, and if you make it — there’s empty ones, and if you make it, you move on, but then — I don’t know, it can get stacked and then you have to drink and then —
Q - What are you trying to make into?
A - just a ball.
Q - So kind of similar to beer pong?
A - yeah, it’s just more fast paced.
Q - okay. And you could wind up drinking a whole lot more alcohol?
A - yes.
Q - Especially if you’re not very good at it?
A - mhm
Q - All right. So how long do you think you were at the Taylor Street address, from when to when did you leave it?
A - I might have a picture. Me and XANA left together. ETHAN left a long time before us, but I don’t know where he went.
Q - Okay.
Q - You got a good idea of the alcohol consumption in by home?
Q - No. There was a lot of alcohol there, though. A bunch of alcohol there. I think they’ll know more today after the Autopsies are done.
A - It was — really no, honestly, I don’t.
Q - Still light outside when you left?
A - Yes. But it was like foggy out, so it looked a little darker.
Q - Okay.
A - It was after 3:48 PM.
Q - So sometime after 3:48 PM?
A - yeah.
Q - Okay. And ETHAN left sometime before that?
A - mhm. I believe he left at — No, he didn’t, never mind.
Q - What about MADDIE and KAYLEE?
A - MADDIE, KAYLEE, and (REDACTED) were still there.
Q - Okay, so they stayed?
A - Yeah.
Q - All right. So what would be the next thing, when you and XANA left, where did you go?
A - Me, (REDACTED) — (REDACTED)’s place.
Q - Is (REDACTED) with someone?
A - (REDACTED) and then someone else.
Q - So that would be the other house down the street, down the road a little bit? (REDACTED)
A - (REDACTED)
Q - I know that address then, so I don’t need you to give that one to me. So you and XANA left there?
A - mhm.
Q - How long were you at (REDACTED)’s place?
A - not that long, I don’t think. I texted MADDIE and asked “if they all went home” and she said “yes” and then we left like shortly after that.
Q - Okay. What time was that at?
A - like 4:51 PM.
Q - Okay, and you went home?
A - Yes.
Q - What was next for you after that?
A - We all made food and sat on the couch and just talked for a little.
Q - So at that point then, all of you guys are at the house?
A - Yes.
Q - All of the main roommates?
A - Yes, but, ETHAN wasn’t there, and KAYLEE went to her room, I think, that’s what she did. She was there for a little bit, and then she went upstairs.
Q - Okay, but she was still in the house?
A - Yes.
Q - Okay. All right. What would be next for you?
A - We all decided that we were going to take a nap, and set our alarms for 8:00 PM to wake up and then start getting ready again.
Q - And did you go take a nap?
A - Yes.
Q - In your room?
A - Yeah. We all took a nap in our own rooms.
Q - Okay.
A - MADDIE might have been with KAYLEE, though.
Q - Was that fairly normal for them?
A - yeah.
Q - Okay.
A - They’ve been best friends since like elementary school.
Q - Okay. And did you get up at 8:00 PM, or did you get up before that?
A - I got up like at 8:00 PM.
Q - You remember what time you went to your room and laid down?
A - No. I do not. Maybe 6:00-ish PM?
Q - Okay.
A - 6:30-ish PM, something like that.
Q - So obviously you started drinking earlier?
A - mhm
Q - Were you still fairly regularly drinking up until the point you went and took a nap? Or did you kind of slow down a little bit at some point?
A - Slowed down a little, I would say.
Q - How many total drinks do you think you had by that point?
A - I honestly do not know.
Q - Okay.
A - I’m sorry.
Q - No, it’s fine. The only reason I’m even asking the question is for two. One, trying to still be able to judge kind of your coherentness and everything like that during the night. But more importantly, if we ever go to trial in this, a good defense attorney is going to try and go after all of our witnesses for being too intoxicated and not being able to know what they’re talking about.
A - mhm
Q - So if we can get ahead of that, that’s my curiosity. You’re college kids and were drinking, I don’t care.
A - mhm, yeah.
Q - I really don’t. So, if you don’t remember, though, that’s fine.
A - I know how much I had like throughout the whole night.
Q - Okay. How much do you think you had total?
A - A 12 pack of High Noons throughout the whole day.
Q - And what High Noons?
Q - Like beer?
A - Yeah, yeah.
Q - So what do you mean by a “12 pack of High Noons”? Is that like wine? beer?
A - It’s like a seltzer.
Q - A seltzer, so similar to —
A - it’s like 5%, yeah.
Q - And how big are the containers?
A - Just like a White Claw.
Q - So 12 oz like a standard pop size?
A - Just like a —
Q - Or smaller?
A - I don’t know, actually.
Q - Okay.
A - Yeah.
Q - They’re thinner than the standard ‘Coke’ can?
A - Yes.
Q - But they’re a little bit taller?
A - Yeah.
Q - So still probably around 12 oz.
Q - Where do you normally buy that at? Or where is it purchased at if you’re not the one buying it?
A - WinCo.
Q - Okay thank you. And do you know how many Mimosas you had?
A - (2)
Q - How much — those are shots, right? Or they have shots in it?
A - No, just champagne.
Q - Champagne. Do you know how big the container was? The glass that you’re drinking out of?
A - Just like a regular little wine glass I think.
Q - Okay. So standard size wine glass?
A - mhm
Q - Did you have this before the nap? Or after you got up from the nap?
A - The Mimosas was from before.
Q - And the White Claws..
A - The High Noons?
Q - Yeah.
A - Some of them were before and some of them were after.
Q - And when were you playing that one game? Before or after?
A - After.
Q - So that would have come later in the night?
A - yeah.
Q - And you don’t remember how much you drank during that?
A - nuh-uh [no] I don’t think a lot, but.
Q - Were you still drinking primarily your High Noon poured into the glass? Or was there other..
A - I was out by then by the time I went there, so whatever was —
Q - So something?
A - Yeah.
Q - All right. So after you get up to get ready.
A - mhm.
Q - Around 8:00 PM, right?
A - mhm
Q - So you get up at 8:00 PM, now you guys are getting ready for what?
A - Sigma Chi.
Q - And what time did you head over there?
A - well, me, (REDACTED), MADDIE, ETHAN and XANA, and then one of ETHAN’s Fraternity Brothers.
Q - Okay
A - went to (REDACTED) around 9:00-ish PM, maybe.
Q - Right at 9:00 PM? Before 9:00 PM?
A - I don’t know. Somewhere around that time.
Q - Didn’t take you you guys very long to get ready?
A - yeah, not really
Q - Do you know who this other Fraternity member was?
A - He’s a Freshman, that’s all I know, I don’t know his name, though.
Q - So you guys go over there around 9:00-ish PM?
A - mhm
Q - Do you go straight? Where did you go to? Because there’s individual apartments, and then the big portion of the house.
A - well actually, me and MADDIE left first. They weren’t that far behind us, though. They’re just a little behind us. And we went to our friends (REDACTED)’s room to put our drinks. And then — and then we sat there for a second, but then went and found XANA and ETHAN in ETHAN’S Brother’s apartment.
Q - Okay.
A - And then we hung out with ETHAN, XANA and (REDACTED) [Hunter], ETHAN’s Brother for a while. And then people would come in and out to say hi and talk and stuff. And then MADDIE said that “She was leaving to go to the club.”
Q - Okay. Where was KAYLEE at this time?
A - At our house getting ready to go to the club.
Q - So KAYLEE never came over with you?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Okay. So then MADDIE presumably then, walked from there back to your place, and then they left?
A - Yes.
Q - What time was that at?
A - I do not know. I can tell you after the time. It was after about 9:09 PM, but
Q - Sometime after 9:09 PM?’
A - mhm.
Q - So you’re now still in (REDACTED)’s apartment, right?
A - Yes.
Q - So now it’s you — is (REDACTED) [Dylan] still there?
A - Came over a little later. Oh, I guess she didn’t leave with us. She came later because she had to finish homework.
Q - Okay. So now at this point it’s you, XANA, ETHAN, all hanging out at (REDACTED)?
A - yeah. And (REDACTED) was there too.
Q - Okay. And then —
A - And then (REDACTED) came, I believe. I don’t really remember what time she came. And then one of my friends, (REDACTED), came.
Q - Do you know (REDACTED)’s last name?
A - uh —
Q - That was the one you couldn’t tell me last time.
A - Her full name is something else, like (REDACTED). but it’s super long. (REDACTED)
Q - (REDACTED) And that’s her last name?
A - mhm.
Q - So what’s her actual first name?
A - (REDACTED) or something like that.
Q - Do you have it spelled there?
A - No, it just says “(REDACTED)”
Q - Just goes by “(REDACTED)”?
A - yeah.
Q - Do you know where (REDACTED) lives?
A - She lives at the sorority house, (REDACTED).
Q - Do you have a phone number for her?
A - yes. (REDACTED)
Q - so what time did (REDACTED) show up, do you think?
A - She texted me. Around 10:00-something PM.
Q - So she shows up around 10:00 PM. What do you guys do next?
A - We hung out there a little longer. And then we went into the main party.
Q - Do you remember what time? Who all went with you to the main party?
A - Just me and (REDACTED) left together.
Q - Do you remember what time that was?
A - No.
Q - How long, if you had to estimate it or whatnot, do you think that (REDACTED) was with — once (REDACTED) showed up, how long after that until you guys went upstairs? Did it seem like a long time? A shorter time?
A - 45 minutes.. 30..
Q - Okay. Was (REDACTED) still there at that point?
A - I can’t remember, actually.
Q - okay
A - And then XANA and ETHAN were later, I hung out with them a little at the main thing for a little. But mostly with (REDACTED). And then me and (REDACTED) left.
Q - Do you roughly remember when you saw ETHAN and XANA up at the house? The main portion of it.
A - Not really. But I remember right before I left with (REDACTED), I grabbed my backpack from (REDACTED)’s room, and they were both sitting in there.
Q - They were sitting in (REDACTED)’s room?
A - yeah.
Q - Do you remember what time that was?
A - It was after 12:17 AM.
Q - Were they in there by themselves?
A - mhm
Q - Or was anyone else in there?
A - From my knowledge, it was just them sitting on the couch, yeah.
Q - And then you and (REDACTED) go to (REDACTED)’s?
A - Back at (REDACTED)
Q - Okay.
A - At this point, (REDACTED) wasn’t there, just (REDACTED).
Q - Who else was at (REDACTED)’s house when you got there?
A - (REDACTED), our friend (REDACTED).
Q - Male or female?
A - Male. Um — (REDACTED)
Q - (REDACTED)
A - And then I don’t really know the other kids that were there, but it wasn’t very many other ones.
Q - Was (REDACTED) there at all?
A - No. She was there, but she left before I did.
Q - Okay.
A - Before I got there.
Q - So how long were you at (REDACTED)’s house this go around?
A - not very long. I left earlier and walked back by myself and got home around 1:00-ish AM, I’d say.
Q - And when you got home, who was there?
A - Just (REDACTED) [Dylan] (REDACTED)
Q - And they were?
A - Watching Vampire Diaries.
Q - So up in the main living room area?
A - mhm.
Q - What happened after that?
A - Then I came home and we watched Vampire Diaries for a little.
Q - And they were already watching it, though, when you got there?
A - Yeah. And then (REDACTED) left.
Q - Do you remember about what time she left?
A - I do not. After 1:21-ish AM.
Q - Why do you say that?
A - I just have a picture with them at 1:21 AM.
Q - With (REDACTED)?
A - mhm.
Q - So when you’re referencing these times, is it you’re able to recall them because you have photos?
A - When it’s like a specific time?
Q - Yeah, are your photos time stamped?
A - It’s just on SnapChat, so it says when you hold it down, it will say what time it was, yeah.
Q - So it shows what time the photo was taken, or what time it was posted?
A - what time it was taken.
Q - okay, so then that’s how you’re refreshing to see the time periods that you’re giving us on your photos?
A - Yes.
Q - perfect. So, (REDACTED) left shortly after you took the photo at 1:21 AM?
A - she was just — she left after that photo.
Q - So you guys took the photo —
A - I don’t know how further along, but
Q - And she left. What happened next?
A - Then MADDIE and KAYLEE came home. Well, (REDACTED) [Dylan] went to her room, and I was just watching the show by myself.
Q - And her room is on the main floor, right?
A - yeah. So it’s like right behind the couch.
Q - Okay.
A - And then KAYLEE and MADDIE came home.
Q - Do you remember what time that was at?
A - Around 2:00-ish AM.
Q - Okay. Were they by themselves?
A - Yes.
Q - Did they say how they got home?
A - I don’t remember them mentioning something when we were upstairs how they got home.
Q - So they get home around 2:00 AM, you’re still watching the Vampire Diaries?
A - mhm
Q - From my conversation earlier, then you go upstairs?
A - yeah. Then me, then (REDACTED) [Dylan] came back and then me and (REDACTED)[Dylan], KAYLEE and MADDIE were all on KAYLEE’s bed just hanging out.
Q - And you’re on KAYLEE’s?
A - mhm
Q - The bigger bedroom upstairs?
A - yeah.
Q - Do you have a photo about what time that might have been, by chance?
A - Yes. Around 2:02 AM.
Q - Around 2:02 AM. And when they got home, did you guys go straight upstairs?
A - Pretty much. At least from what I can remember. And then we were hanging out there for a little while KAYLEE was getting ready for bed I believe. And then we went — or MADDIE and I — Me, MADDIE and (REDACTED) [Dylan] went downstairs — I can’t remember if KAYLEE came down too. But, me and MADDIE took MURPHY out to pee. And I was out there for like 10 seconds, and put something away in my cabinet, and then grabbed some chips and then I went back downstairs to go to bed.
Q - Do you remember what time you took MURPHY out?
A - No.
Q - Was it fairly soon after this 2:02 AM thing, or was it like half hour, 25 minutes, hour?
A - I honestly have no idea.
Q - Okay. Kind of a little fuzzy on that point?
A - Yeah. Mhm.
Q - But you do remember being up there for a while, at least long enough for KAYLEE to get completely changed?
A - Yes. yeah.
Q - Did MADDIE change during that time period too?
A - Not that I can remember.
Q - When you saw them come home, was there anything about their demeanor or behavior that was different?
A - They were really happy. That’s all I remember.
Q - What was their level of sobriety?
A - uh, it was probably the drunkest I’ve seen MADDIE in a long time. In a while. I don’t know about KAYLEE, she can —
Q - you said you hadn’t seen MADDIE that drunk for a long time?
A - Yeah. For a long time. She doesn’t usually drink a ton.
Q - but you couldn’t tell with KAYLEE?
A - nuh-uh [no], not really.
Q - So after you step out for about 10 seconds, you grab a few things, and then went downstairs?
A - mhm
Q - What did you do when you got to your room?
A - I watched a show for a little. I don’t remember how long I watched it, though. And then I just went to bed.
Q - And the name of that show again was?
A - “Baby Daddy”
Q - Do you remember the episode?
A - No.
Q - And how were you watching it?
A - on my iPad.
Q - And was it through Hulu, Netflix?
A - Hulu.
Q - Hulu. And is that a Hulu account you have?
A - Yes.
Q - Is it your account that you pay for? Or is it your parents?
A - My parents pay for it.
Q - How much of it do you think you watched?
A - I don’t know, because I don’t know if I started it like I already watched some of it and then started it again.
Q - Do you remember finishing the episode and then you fall asleep? Or did you fall asleep during it?
A - I shut off the computer and then went to bed. That’s all I remember.
Q - Okay.
A - Sorry, I was tired.
Q - So computer or iPad?
A - oh, iPad, sorry. I just use it as my computer.
Q - No, it’s fine.
A - While I was watching it, though, MADDIE came down and knocked on my door, but it was locked, and she asked “If I had MURPHY with me, because she lost him” and I said “No.”
Q - Was that shortly after you started it? Or quite a ways after you started it?
A - I don’t remember. I would say maybe shortly after.
Q - Do you normally lock your door?
A - Yes, I lock it every night.
Q - What is the next thing that you remember?
A - And then the next thing I remember, I woke up because I heard like a firecracker type noise. And then I saw like a little sparkler or something under my — like, under the door. And then it like kind of went out. And then it’s all like — I don’t know. I was still half asleep and still pretty like, I don’t know, tipsy, I’d say. And then I just didn’t really know what was happening. And then I remember either (RECACTED) [Dylan] called me, or I called (RECACTED) [Dylan]. And she said that “She thought she saw someone” and like, “wearing all black.” And I said, “well, XANA was wearing all black, maybe she just ran by or something” and then she said, “well I thought he had like a ski mask on” and I was like — I just didn’t really know what to think of that. I thought maybe she was just seeing stuff because me and her got scared a lot, and stuff like that. Or maybe one of ETHAN’s friends or Frat Brothers was just playing around or something. And then she — I told her to “come down to my room if she was scared, because it’s better than being alone”. So then she ran down to my room. And we — I tried to call them, none of them were answering, so I thought they were just like asleep or something because I’ve called them before late at night when I was scared, and they usually don’t answer. And then we fell asleep. I woke up early.
Q - Before we keep going..
A - uh-huh [yes]
Q - You said you called them?
A - Yes.
Q - Can you look up to see exactly what times all those phone calls came in?
A - Yes.
Q - You said right after you see the sparkler? That (RECACTED) [Dylan] called you?
A - Pretty much, yeah. (RECACTED) [Dylan] 4:19 AM and 4:20 AM.
Q - You called her? Or she called you?
A - I don’t remember.
Q - It should show on your phone log.
A - I don’t know what that means.
Q - Can you I look?
A - Yeah.
Q - So you called her at 4:19 AM, and it was a 23 second call. And then she called you at 4:20 AM and it was 41 seconds.
Q - Okay.
Q - So you called her first.
Q - And then she called you back.
A - Yeah.
Q - okay.
A - And then I called XANA.
Q - Wait a second; when you called (RECACTED) [Dylan]
A - mhm
Q - at 4:19 AM; what did you say to her?
A - I said “Did you hear that?” Like, because I thought the sparkler or whatever. And she said — I think she said “yes.” And I said, “What was it?” And then she didn’t know.
Q - Did you guys hang up then?
A - I don’t remember. Apparently it got hung up and then..
Q - And then she called you back..
A - Then she called me again, I guess.
Q - And then during that conversation?
A - I don’t really remember, that’s when I think she talked about the guy
Q - Is that when she talked about seeing someone in the house?
A - yeah, that’s what I would imagine. We also had texts.
Q - is that when she told you that she “saw someone dressed in black”?
A - I think. Or from the text, I don’t really remember the calls.
Q - Can you look at your texts then to see if she texted you that information?
A - Yeah.
Q - To see if it was before that call?
A - Around 4:22 AM, so it was after that call.
Q - Do you want to look?
Q - Sure. Thank you.
Q - So that was in a text communication?
Q - yeah.
A - mhm
Q - That she said “she thought she saw someone.”
A - I don’t remember if it was both or one or the other.
Q - It’s definitely in there, she talks about..
A - It could’ve been both, though, I just don’t remember. it was all like, I was half asleep still.
Q - Well, I think it has to be a little bit of both because it first comes in — No one is answering, and this is from her.
A - mhm
Q - “No one is answering. I’m really confused right now.” You then respond; “Yeah dude, what the fuck?” “XANA was wearing all black.” So obviously you had already talked about somebody being in black prior to that.
A - Yeah, so maybe it was during the call.
Q - Then she’s “freaking out”, “No, it’s like ski mask almost”
Q - Some of that data came from a call
A - I think while she was texting me, he left.
Q - Who is “he”?
A - The guy. I’m guessing the guy. Because she said “she thought it was a guy.”
Q - The suspect?
A - Yeah. Because she “saw — they made eye contact as he was leaving.” And that’s when I think she saw the mask and everything.
Q - And she didn’t tell you that until later, though, right?
A - Yeah.
Q - Where did she see him at? Where was she at when she saw him?
A - She said — I believe this is what she said to me; it sounded like “he was leaving through the back door, through the kitchen when she saw him.”
Q - Through the slider?
A - yeah.
Q - And where would she have been?
A - From her room.
Q - So do you think he saw her?
A - she said “they made eye contact.” I’m almost positive.
Q - Did she say anything about being able to identify the race?
A - She said “he was white.”
Q - She could tell that?
A - mhm
Q - Do you want pictures of that?
Q - We have it. We should have it. Can you take a picture anyway?
A - yes.
Q - So she told you that she was able to tell with the mask then, it was a white person?
A - Yes. Because she said “he had a big nose.” I just remember her saying that to me.
Q - She said that “he had a big nose”?
A - Yeah.
Q - And then she ran down?
A - Yeah. As, I think he was like, leaving.
Q - yeah, because you made some comment about — she was making a comment about “her phone was about to die”
A - mhm
Q - And then you told her to “run down to you.” And then that’s when she came back down shortly after that, from what I can tell.
A - mhm
Q - And what did she say when she got there?
A - I don’t really remember. Just that “she was scared” and we didn’t really know what was happening.
Q - Did you cover this with her, initially, this section?
Q - With her? Yes.
Q - Yes.
Q - Yeah, I’ve covered quite a bit of this. This is still tracking with what she’s told me.
A - mhm
Q - Okay. Because — did she tell you about whether this person had anything in his hands?
A - She said “it looked like a vacuum.” So I didn’t know what that meant. I thought she was just seeing stuff because she was drunk still.
Q - Did she tell you the shape of what she saw?
A - She said “it looked like a small vacuum that he was holding.” So I was confused. That’s why I thought she was imagining something.
Q - I’m going to grab some notes here.
Q - Okay.
A - For that also, she said like “triangle thing like wrapped around like a small vacuum”. What she was trying to explain was really confusing.
Q - This is what she was trying to explain to you?
A - Yeah, what she thought she saw. you know, I was so confused.
Q - So just a quick question about the messages; so you tell her to run down there?
A - mhm
Q - And then she says “I’m screwed though”
A - Scared.
Q - Oh.
A - I’m guessing is what she meant. Well, I’m guessing that’s what she meant.
Q - yeah, that’s what I was kind of tracking too. Is that she was “scared right now.”
A - And then —
Q - And you didn’t call 911?
A - No.
Q - You didn’t reach out to anybody else?
A - I thought she was like imagining something.
Q - Has she ever imagined something like this before?
A - well, no. But she was still half asleep and still drunk-ish. So I was like, ‘Maybe it was just some kid coming in.’ I don’t know.
Q - Okay. So you guys weren’t both still very clear
A - Yeah.
Q - I mean, kind of foggy headed a little bit.
A - Yeah.
Q - Both of you, because you’re both still waking up.
A - mhm
Q - Both still intoxicated?
A - yeah.
Q - Did you guys go and explore any?
A - No, we were too scared to leave. Because just in case someone would like — have been
Q - besides seeing the guy, did she say that she saw anything else at all?
A - (inaudible)
Q - She said “she saw something around his waist and it was like a vacuum”?
A - Something like that. I don’t know.
Q - Around his waist or in his hands?
A - Something like that. It was so confusing. She was trying to explain that, I just was not getting it. And then, do you want to know what time I called the others?
Q - In just a minute.
A - Okay.
Q - Same segment there; did you ever hear, either before or after the firework, the sparkler, whatever woke you, did you ever hear MURPHY?
A - oh, yeah. I heard MURPHY bark a little. And then I heard the pong table that was in our family room, it’s just a table in our family room, kind of move, but I thought that ETHAN, he’s a pretty big guy, so I thought he was drunk and just hit it. i don’t know what time —
Q - Was that before or after you heard..
A - It was all kind of all at once I feel like.
Q - All at once?
A - Yeah.
Q - But I don’t know what time ETHAN or XANA got home. So, I was just guessing.
A - right. But shortly right after you heard MURPHY bark, the beer pong table get bumped..
A - Yeah.
Q - And you heard the firecracker, sparkler?
A - yeah, it was all kind of jumbled —
Q - Was it also kind of when, did you —
A - And I think I heard KAYLEE playing music, too.
Q - Okay
A - Dancing with MURPHY. (RECACTED) [Dylan] also said that she “heard music” and “KAYLEE and MURPHY dancing.”
Q - Okay. But you don’t know what time that would’ve been?
A - I’m guessing around 4:00 AM in the morning.
Q - So right before you guys start to communicate?
A - Yeah.
Q - But right after you heard MURPHY bark, the pong table, and the sparkler, that’s when you called (RECACTED) [Dylan]?
A - yes. I think it might’ve been right after, maybe, I don’t know. It’s all blurry.
Q - Right.
Q - You referenced earlier the time 2:02 AM in the morning?
A - mhm
Q - From 2:02 AM to 4:19 AM, did you get any missed calls?
A - oh, yeah.
Q - From any of your other roommates?
A - MADDIE called me at 2:53 AM. But I don’t know why. I missed it.
Q - At 2:53 AM?
A - Yeah.
Q - So, what we’re trying to pin down is a timeframe where other people in the house are still active, still alive, still talking, still communicating. So it’s important for you, we’re trying to narrow that window, right? So, if somebody is communicating with you, trying to communicate, texting, snapping, any time after 2:00 AM to that 4:00 AM window, we really need to know that.
Q - yeah. Do you track your sleep at all?
A - No.
Q - So at 2:53 AM, we know MADDIE’s trying to reach you.
A - Yes.
Q - Could that have also —
A - I’m guessing it’s because she lost MURPHY, and I just missed the call.
Q - That’s what I was wondering; if maybe that was the same time period.
A - Yeah.
Q - Because you were already asleep when she knocked on the door?
A - No, I was watching the show before she knocked on the door. So I’m guessing —
Q - That could’ve been right about that same time period.
A - Yeah. And, yeah, that’s all.
Q - Did you describe any color with this sparkler or this sound that you heard at your door?
A - It just looked like a little flame. Sparkler type thing.
Q - So it was white or red?
A - It was like orange-ish.
Q - Orange-ish color?
A - That’s what I remember.
Q - And do you know what time (RECACTED) [Dylan] came to your room?
A - mm —
Q - Is there anything that can tell you that?
A - Around 4:25 AM.
Q - That was the last message where you told her to run down?
A - Yeah. And then I called XANA at 4:21 AM
Q - So before (RECACTED) [Dylan] (inaudible)
A - yes. And then I called MADDIE at 4:22 AM.
Q - So right after you talked to (RECACTED) [Dylan]?
A - Yeah. And then I called ETHAN at 4:22 AM.
Q - And there were no answers, right?
A - Yeah.
Q - Voicemail?
Q - Did you hear the phones ringing from where you were?
A - nuh-uh [no]. I didn’t hear a scream, I didn’t hear anything.
Q - FaceTime? Or just regular phone call?
A - Just regular phone call. And then I accidentally FaceTimed KAYLEE at 4:30 AM, but then I called her again at 4:31 AM.
Q - Was (RECACTED) [Dylan] there about that time?
A - I believe so, something like that. And then —- oh, I also called MADDIE again twice at 4:29 AM and then 4:30 AM.
Q - And all of these, no responses or anything?
A - Yeah. But they never usually answer my phone calls that late at night, so I thought they were asleep.
Q - Okay. So that would be normal?
A - Yeah.
Q - If they were up would they have normally answered?
A - Yes.
Q - Do you have any idea, in your house —-
A - Except sometimes XANA doesn’t answer — (inaudible)
Q - Do you have any idea, thinking a little bit more, based off of what you know in your house, of what that firecracker sound that the sparkler could have been?
A - I have no idea. I have no idea where it came from, or what it could have been. I thought (inaudible - someone brought it in?)
Q - In addition, you told him that you heard the pong table slide on the floor like someone had bumped into it —
A - mhm
Q - Did you —
A - Or the cups falling or something.
Q - You heard what?
A - either cups fall off of it, or the table move to the side.
Q - Is that right over your room?
A - yeah.
Q - Do you remember what position the beer pong table was in before you went to bed?
A - I believe it was just like that. (Visual explaining - can’t see this because audio only)
Q - Coming from?
A - The kitchen. it’s like right in front of it.
Q - So not off to the side a little bit like that?
A - nuh-uh [no] Unless someone moved it to get past it or something.
Q - Was it normally in that same position?
A - Yeah.
Q - So if I were to walk from your kitchen in DYLAN’s area of the house, and it’s set up, and I walk into the living room area, it’s going to literally be right in front of me? So kind of centered?
A - Pretty much, or a little to the side of the door. Just so people can get through.
Q - To the right or the left?
A - The right.
Q - So it would be more pushed to the right?
A - It would be more pushed to the left, towards the wall.
Q - Okay, so where that little nightstand is?
A - Yeah.
Q - Because it wasn’t straight when we found it.
A - oh.
Q - It was kind of crooked a little bit. So what you’re saying makes sense to me now.
A - mhm
Q - So, I’m not familiar with the house — so your room is on the bottom floor?
A - mhm
Q - So is there a half set of steps?
A - There’s a full set of steps.
Q - So like 12 steps - ish?
Q - 14
A - Yeah, something like that, I don’t know.
Q - When you get to the bottom of the steps, where’s your room?
A - There is one room straight across, but no one lives in there. There’s a bathroom right next to it, and then if you go down a little hallway it’s my room.
Q - So for something to be reflecting underneath your door, you would have to basically have something down in that kind of hallway?
A - Yeah, that’s what it seemed like something fell or something. I don’t know what it was.
Q - Did you have anything up on that rail at the top?
A - People usually put cups up there. But like a cup or a can.
Q - So if I were to go down the steps from the living room to yours, there’s that little rail right there.
A - mhm
Q - Do you remember having anything like a candle on there? Was there anything else on there?
A - nuh-uh [no]. The only thing that I could think of that anyone would put up there is cans or cups.
Q - Do you remember if there was a stain or something that got spilled on the stairs the night before?
A - The night of the Formal, there was [REDACTED]’s Coke or something spilled on the stairs.
Q - Towards the bottom?
A - Towards the top. That’s what I remember.
Q - When you went to bed, do you remember, were there a lot of cans or anything like that on the floor down at the landing next to the front door?
A - There was a box, of I believe my High Noons and my backpack. (Inaudible)
Q - Do you remember any loose cans?
A - people put loose things there all the time. I don’t know.
Q - But you don’t remember stepping on or stepping around it when you went to bed?
A - Not really.
Q - Were there quite a big of lights still left on in the house?
A - Yes. My hallway light was left on, I believe most of the other lights were left on, but I don’t know. I don’t know if they turned it off when I went to bed or anything.
Q - You had told me that you had walked home. When you walked home by yourself, you got home at 1:21 AM.
A - Around that time. That’s just when I had a picture.
Q - How did you tie that?
A - Just because that’s when I had that picture. of me, [REDACTED]
Q - So it was before 1:21 AM when you got home?
A - yeah.
Q - So when you get home, KAYLEE and MADDIE were home? Or they came home after you were home?
A - They came home after we were home.
Q - So people were watching The Diaries at 1:21 AM?
A - mhm
Q - You took the picture with them?
A - mhm
Q - So you got home about 1:00 AM. Where were you coming from again?
A - [REDACTED]
Q - Okay. [REDACTED]
A - mhm
Q - And how far is that?
A - 2-3 minute walk, it’s not that far.
Q - And on that walk home, do you remember seeing anything? Anybody? Cars?
A - Nuh-uh [no]. Mm, there was like, a car that drove past me, maybe 1 or 2, but cars drive past there all the time, so, I don’t know.
Q - So nobody else walking? You didn’t meet anybody?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - And then which door did you come in?
A - The front door.
Q - And is that on the same level as your room? Or is that?
A - Yes. mhm.
Q - Okay. Did you walk all the way to King all the way to Queen, or did you take the cut off?
A - just the cut off.
Q - Were there still quite a few parties in the area?
A - mm, [REDACTED] was still doing stuff. And I don’t know, that’s all it really seemed like, but.
Q - Was there a lot of other foot traffic still?
A - No one really I don’t think was out when I was walking, but
Q - Was it cold?
A - Yes. Yes. I believe so. It was foggy that whole day, too. I don’t know. (Inaudible)
Q - Do you recall whether [REDACTED] [Dylan] told you this person she saw, or whether he had a shape, if there was a shape of something she saw in his hands? Whether it had a shape to it?
A - Well, she just told me that “she thought it was a mini vacuum.” So
Q - She didn’t just say it was circular? It was round? It was a triangle?
A - She said like “Something wrapped around” or something, and then “mini vacuum”
Q - So something wrapped around his waist?
A - “his waist”. I don’t know, yeah.
Q - And him holding something else in his hand?
A - Like a — she said “it was like a mini vacuum”. I don’t know what that would be compared to.
Q - Yeah. Okay.
Q - So after you tried calling everybody.
A - mhm
Q - No one answered. Did you guys just then go to sleep? Or did you do anything else?
A - Um — I fell back asleep because I was still out of it. And I don’t know if she did right away. And then I woke up again earlier that morning.
Q - About what time?
A - Do you have the times?
Q - You have some times from your phone, right?
A - Yeah. I called my Dad at 7:30 AM, and then he didn’t answer and I fell back asleep.
Q - What did you call him for?
A - My tooth hurt really bad. It’s like inflamed, and he’s a Dentist, so I was just wondering what it was.
Q - And that was around 7:30 AM?
A - 7:30 AM, yeah. And then he didn’t answer, and I just fell back asleep. And then I called him back at 8:00 AM, he also didn’t answer. And so then I called my house at 8:01 AM. And they didn’t answer. And then I called my Mom at 8:02 AM, and she finally answered.
Q - Was [REDACTED] [Dylan] still in the room?
A - Yes.
Q - Was she —
A - I can’t remember if she was up or not. I think she was kind of up. And then I called my Mom and asked her to put my Dad on the phone, and then she said “he’d call me back.” And then he called me back at 8:09 AM. And then I took Advil for my tooth. And then —
Q - Did you have that in your room?
A - yeah. And then I told [REDACTED] [Dylan] about my tooth, because she was up. And then I fell back asleep, and I don’t know if she went back to bed. Because none of them would’ve been up that early anyways, so. And then —
Q - So you went back to sleep?
A - I fell back asleep. I don’t know if she did. And then I woke up again and noticed that none of them were up still. XANA —
Q - How did you notice that?
A - XANA’s SnapChat location wasn’t on yet, and it usually is at that point, by the time I woke up.
Q - Which was?
Q - What time was that at?
A - I want to say 11:30-ish AM — maybe 11:00 AM.
Q - Sometime between 11:00 AM - 11:30 AM?
A - yeah.
Q - Was DYLAN still in your room?
A - yes. And then we were kind of freaking out because we’re like, ‘well, they would have been up by now.’ And so then I called my friend [REDACTED], and told her that “we were scared and didn’t know what was happening.” And so she offered to come get us. And then we called [REDACTED], because we knew that [REDACTED] was with her, and would come over and help look around the house.
Q - And that’s when [REDACTED] came over?
A - Yes.
Q - Did you make any attempts to call roommates that morning when you woke up?
A - No, because I knew I would either hear them walking maybe upstairs, or XANA would have been up.
Q - From her SnapChat location?
A - Yeah.
Q - And you were afraid, why?
A - Because they weren’t answering, and no one was walking, and there’s like — XANA’s location was off, so I was like “something’s not right” so then we got scared and called [REDACTED] [Emily Alandt]. And then she sent over [REDACTED] [Hunter Johnson], and then she followed with [REDACTED] shortly after he came over.
Q - So when they come over, do you know what time they arrive?
A - No. [REDACTED] [Dylan] would know better, because she called [REDACTED] [Emily]
Q - Okay. But when they came in the house, how did they enter?
A - Just [REDACTED] [Hunter] came in, he knows the code, so he came in.
Q - And then where did he go?
A - And then we came out, and then we went up the stairs, and then he said “You guys need to get out and call 911.”
Q - So was he ahead of you?
A - yeah.
Q - When you came out of your room, what did you see?
A - Nothing. Really.
Q - nothing out of the ordinary?
Q - Is this a carpet floor? Tile?
A - No. Hard floor.
Q - hard wood floor?
Q - It’s laminated..
A - No — Tile — Tile. I don’t know.
Q - Nothing on the floor?
A - Some kind of tile.
Q - You didn’t see anything broken on the floor or anything like that?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Nothing out of the ordinary? Nothing misplaced?
A - not really, no.
Q - How far up the stairs did you get?
A - Pretty much to the top.
Q - Okay. Where was [REDACTED] [Hunter]? How far ahead was [REDACTED] [Hunter] to you?
A - He was like on the other side of the railing.
Q - So he had already turned around the railing?
A - Yeah.
Q - And where was he heading?
A - XANA’s room.
Q - So he was walking towards —
A - Like he saw into her room. (Inaudible)
Q - Did you see into her room at that point in time?
A - Yeah.
Q - Okay. Where was [REDACTED] [Dylan] in relation to you?
A - I believe she was ahead of me.
Q - So she was ahead of you. So she’s also (inaudible - Up there?)
A - Just a little - yeah.
Q - So you guys are now at the top of the stairs?
A - mhm
Q - [REDACTED] you, as you’re looking past [REDACTED], what do you see?
A - Just XANA on the floor.
Q - What’s that?
Q - You can see XANA on the floor?
Q - Okay.
Q - Could you see — was her door fully open? Her bedroom door? Or partially open?
A - Mm — half and half. More than partially, but not all the way.
Q - Okay. Is that normal? Does she normally leave her door open or does she close her door?
A - I think she normally — she normally closes it, but I don’t think she locks it. But I don’t know when she’s drunk. She usually wakes up before I do.
Q - When you went to bed that night, do you remember if that door was open or closed? because up to this point, we still don’t know when ETHAN and XANA came home, right?
A - mhm
Q - You don’t know if they were home when you already got there?
A - Closed, I believe. Or — Or — Open. It might have been open.
Q - Okay. Do you ever use the bathroom next to there?
A - Sometimes, yeah.
Q - Did you use it that night?
A - No.
Q - Okay.
A - Not that I’m aware of.
Q - When you got home that night, do you know whether they were in that room already? Or do you know when they came home?
A - I have no idea when they came home or if they were in the room. I’m guessing if they were in the room, XANA would’ve come out and said hi and hung out with us.
Q - Can i see your messages again?
Q - And where is MURPHY when you wake up?
A - I have no idea.
Q - You didn’t see him when you went up the stairs?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Do you know where he is now?
A - With [REDACTED] [Jack Ducoeur], I believe.
Q - (inaudible)
Q - You didn’t hear MURPHY once you guys started walking around, you didn’t hear him, though?
A - uh — no. Because — like right away, [REDACTED] [Hunter Johnson] said “You guys need to get out and call 911 right now.”
Q - Are you the one who made the 911 call?
A - Yes. But I couldn’t really talk, so then [REDACTED] took the phone and finished talking for me.
Q - yeah, because I listened to the 911 call and it was kind of jumping around because the phone got passed around a little bit. But, so obviously; did you have any clue, at that point in time, when you called 911, what was going on?
A - I just knew something was wrong.
Q - Okay. Because you could see XANA on the floor?
A - mhm
Q - Okay, have you ever seen her in that position before? Has she ever passed out on her floor before?
A - Not this year, but I believe she used to when she used to get like super drunk, but she hasn’t.
Q - And from that distance, did you just see her? Or could you see?
A - I just saw her and then I left. (Inaudible)
Q - So when you called 911, where were you at?
A - Outside.
Q - So when [REDACTED] [Hunter Johnson] said “You need to go”, you actually turned around and left? Or did you stay there for a second?
A - We all like walked down the stairs, and then he said, “You guys need to call 911.”
Q - So did he walk you down the stairs?
A - Yeah.
Q - Okay.
A - And then he went back up. I think, to check it out.
Q - And you and [REDACTED] [Dylan] were still downstairs?
A - mhm
Q - At the landing, or just on the outside?
A - On the outside.
Q - But he went back up?
A - Yeah, to make sure there wasn’t anyone still there or something like that.
Q - So you’re calling 911?
A - mhm
Q - you couldn’t talk, so then you passed the phone to [REDACTED]?
A - mhm
Q - And I know they were asking you all kinds of questions —
A - No, I passed the phone to [REDACTED].
Q - [REDACTED]?
A - Yeah.
Q - But she didn’t know what was going on. Because originally you had called and said what?
A - I believe “that someone was unconscious on the floor.”
Q - Okay. Did you also mention being out drinking the night before or anything like that?
A - I think [REDACTED] did.
Q - Okay. So you call dispatch?
A - mhm
Q - You tell them that “someone was unconscious on the floor.”
A - mhm
Q - You pass the phone around and [REDACTED] gives the phone back to you, if I remember, right?
A - I can’t remember if she did or not.
Q - At one point, it sounded to me like you went back upstairs.
A - Um — I believe [REDACTED] and maybe [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] went up, and [REDACTED] tried to — went over to XANA to try to wake her up and see if she was..
Q - But you never went up there?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Did you stay on the phone at that point then with our dispatch?
A - I don’t know if it was me. It could’ve been someone else.
Q - Because it sounded like someone on the phone..
A - mhm
Q - Was going to go see if they were breathing or not..
A - it might have been [REDACTED] (inaudible)
Q - Okay. But that wasn’t you?
A - nuh-uh [no]. I didn’t go back into the house.
Q - So after you saw XANA on the floor..
A - mhm
Q - You go downstairs and call. You never went back upstairs?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - You never went into the room?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - But you saw [REDACTED] go back in?
A - mhm
Q - [REDACTED] went in?
A - I think [REDACTED] went in, and I think [REDACTED] went in. It’s all kind of —
Q - Okay. Did [REDACTED] — was she ever on the phone?
A - I don’t think so.
Q - Were you still standing outside when our first officer showed up?
A - Yes. but I walked — I was super scared, so i walked over to — you know where like The Whites stairs are?
Q - mhm
A - I walked over there.
Q - Okay. Did you mention anything or ask anyone about a defibrillator?
A - No. But I remember someone asking.
Q - Do you remember who that was?
A - I think it was [REDACTED].
Q - Okay. All right. So she had your phone?
A - yeah.
Q - When these people came to the house after they were called, before when there was that incident with the door being open, everyone grabbed the golf clubs and was walking through the house..
A - mhm
Q - ..Did anybody grab anything this time, and walk through the house?
A - Oh. [REDACTED] [Hunter Johnson] grabbed a knife.
Q - Okay. Yeah, he mentioned that to us. But he didn’t show up with a knife?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - What kind of kitchen knives did you have in the house?
A - Just some from Ikea, and then some other ones.
Q - Do you remember what color they are?
A - There is like a blue, a grey, a green. That’s all I can remember.
Q - Are they normal kitchen knives? Steak knives? Do you remember what they are?
A - Yeah. Just cooking.
Q - Where do you keep them?
A - Just in a drawer with all the silverware.
Q - So if I walk into your kitchen, if I walk in, the fridge is on my right, dishwasher is right in front of me, stove is on the left, and the sink is kind of in the corner a little bit, right next to the stove.
A - It’s in between the microwave and the sink, in a drawer.
Q - I think I remember where you’re talking about.
Q - So did he grab a knife from there?
A - mhm
Q - Or did he bring it to the house?
A - He grabbed it from there.
Q - And you didn’t see him do this, though, right?
A - No. But, I think I remember the color and it was gray, but I remember he said “he was going to go get something.”
Q - And that’s as he was walking back upstairs? He says “he’s going to go get something”? Or prior to you guys even going upstairs?
A - I can’t remember.
Q - Was this knife a set that someone bought? Or were there individual knives?
A - Well, this one was a set, but there’s also individual ones.
Q - Do you remember how many were in the set?
A - Maybe (5)
Q - And they were bought at IKEA?
A - mhm
Q - Who bought them?
A - I did. (Inaudible)
Q - So you could recognize the set?
A - mhm
Q - Did you buy that here before you moved up?
A - mhm
Q - All right. And I pretty much know what happened after that, so.
Q - So, can we go back to when you’re going up the stairs, and [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] in front of you?
A - mhm
Q - You said you saw XANA on the floor in her room, the door partially open?
A - mhm
Q - How do you know it was XANA?
A - It just looked like her.
Q - Can you describe what she was wearing?
A - I believe underwear and a black sweatshirt.
Q - Was that a sweatshirt that she was wearing earlier in the day?
A - No. But (inaudible) her room.
Q - Did you physically see her features? Or just matched the room and it matched her kind of shape?
A - Well I saw her —- I didn’t see her face or anything, but I saw like her legs.
Q - Okay. Did you see anything else in the room?
A - nuh-uh [no]. Other than her clothes and stuff on the floor, but that’s how it was before. It was messy.
Q - Nothing else on the floor?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Do you know for sure who came into the house and did that?
A - And did what?
Q - Whatever happened to your friends.
A - (inaudible)
Q - Do you have an idea of who may have come in and done that?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Are there theories that people are talking about?
A - mhm
Q - What’s the theories?
A - Just [REDACTED]. I don’t know his last name.
Q - Did we talk about him earlier?
A - Yeah.
Q - At which point were we talking about him?
A - The ‘Grub Truck’ guy.
Q - Why are people saying that he did it?
A - Just because he’s known for having anger issues or whatever.
Q - Is that the one that you told us about that had the anger issues?
A - Yeah. And he lives at ‘The Browns’ my himself.
Q - What issue would he have with any of those four? Have you ever heard of him having a problem with any of them?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Have you ever heard of him having an infatuation or anything like that?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - So when did you first hear about the theory?
A - Not yesterday, the day before.
Q - What did you hear that date?
A - Just kind of everyone was saying (inaudible) and saying that “he probably” —
Q - Are they basing that off of because of some of the information they know about him and the fact that he was at the ‘Grub Truck’?
A - mhm
Q - And is that your recollection of why they’re basing it?
A - mhm
Q - Have any of them ever said anything or any of these people that have come up with this theory?..
A - I never heard of them..
Q - ..Say that they have ever seen an issue between [REDACTED] and any of them?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - And I don’t know if we covered it; but was he ever in your house for a party?
A - not that I know of, no.
Q - Not that you recall?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Is it possible he could have been?
A - I don’t think so. I don’t really think any of us were friends with him.
Q - And you said at that point too, he was no longer really hanging out with the other [REDACTED] either, right?
A - mhm
Q - And how old is he? Is he still in college?
A - I’m guessing, but I have no idea.
Q - Do you know where at in ‘The Browns’ he lives?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - You just know he lives there by himself?
A - That’s just what someone said, yeah.
Q - have you seen this guy around school?
A - I have not.
Q - So you wouldn’t know what kind of car he drives or anything like that?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Any other theories you’ve heard?
A - nuh-uh [no], just that.
Q - Since the incident, have you had anyone reach out to you or contact you that in their conversations with you, seem different? Seem odd?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Nothing concerning to you with anyone who is talking to you right now?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Are you doing okay?
A - (inaudible)
Q - Have you looked into getting counseling yet?
A - I think my Mom has.
Q - Do you know anyone within your group or people who would come to your house, that they’ve now left Moscow?
A - Most people have left.
Q - Was there anyone that left sooner than everybody else? That seems like they were gone already and out of town before this news really broke out?
A - Not that I know of, no.
Q - Anybody that you haven’t had contact with that normally you would have?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Anybody that you have had contact with that normally you wouldn’t have?
A - No.
Q - Okay. I think that’s all I’ve got, unless you can think of anything else. You did a really good job. Thank you. And you gave us information that I think is very helpful. Just to kind of give you an update on where we’re going;
A - mhm
Q - As of right now, we still haven’t released the house, so I know that was one question — I can’t remember if it was your mom or [REDACTED]’s mom that asked me, when we’re going to release the house so they could come get your stuff. We still haven’t released it yet. We’re still going to have another forensic team come up and go back through the residence. We’ve also requested the assistance of the FBI, who are now helping us too, as well. So, there’s a lot of people right now working on this case to try and figure out what happened to your friends. So at this point, it’s going to be very important if you hear anything, if anyone reaches out to you and gives weird details of the incident, because as you’ve noticed, we haven’t released a whole lot of information.
A - mhm
Q - And that — so anything that somebody reaches out and starts talking about it that to you it feels like they maybe know more than most people should, please let us know immediately. Because that might be somebody we want to talk to.
A - This isn’t someone that knew more than they should — but, someone — one of our friends, we were just trying to figure out what happened, and they were looking at the photos from the house, and it looked like KAYLEE’s blinds or something were pulled down, or night right, and she always had them perfectly closed.
Q - So what do you mean?
A - They were kind of broken.
Q - On the news? Somebody was seeing photos?
Q - Like news and stuff?
A - Yeah.
Q - Okay. That could’ve been us.
A - No, yeah. Just the photo — someone said that the blinds weren’t..
Q - We could have been the one to have disturbed the blinds.
A - oh, okay
Q - Because we did go out onto that back balcony. So we actually — you’re talking about the blinds on the slider?
A - mhm
Q - yeah, we moved those multiple times.
A - oh, okay.
Q - Because I actually — we stepped out on the back balcony wondering if it was a point of entry and stuff like that.
A - oh, okay.
Q - So we went out there several different times, guys were walking all around the back balcony, so that easily could’ve been us who disturbed those.
A - okay.
Q - But it’s good information, though.
A - mhm
Q - So, okay? Well, I don’t have anything else. Do you have any questions for me?
A - (inaudible answer)
Q - Okay. If anything comes up, feel free to reach out to me. I’ll give (REDACTED) your attorney, my card as well so if you don’t feel like it, you can always reach out to him and he can ask me questions. We’re not trying to leave you in the dark, you’re involved in this, but, we will try and give you as much info as we can obviously, okay?
A - (inaudible response)
Q - Okay. Again, thank you, I appreciate you sitting down with me and talking to me. The only last question I have, are you still communicating with (REDACTED)?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - Do you know why she’s very hesitant to talk to me right now?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Is she struggling pretty bad?
A - Um — I think so, but she also said — she talked to her attorney or something, and I think he’s making her worry more, and her Mom is making her worry more, and she said something. (Inaudible) stressing her out.
Q - Does her mom do that quite a bit?
A - worried about the press and stuff like that.
Q - Okay, and I can understand that.
A - mhm.
Q - I know she seems a little stressed. I talked to her a little bit the other day and was trying to meet with her yesterday, but —
A - mhm
Q - We weren’t able to make that work. But, okay.
Q - One question I have; other than the alcohol that you talked about and Adderall, you talked about?
A - mhm
Q - Is there anyone in the house, that you’re aware of, that takes prescription medication or treats for any therapy or any anxiety, mental illness, anything like that?
A - (REDACTED)
Q - And how about any of the other people in the home?
A - Not that I know of.
Q - Do you know if (REDACTED) takes any medications or anything like that?
A - nuh-uh [no]. We’ve never really talked about it before.
Q - Do you know if anyone in the house was selling?
A - nuh-uh [no]
Q - Pills or anything like that?
A - No one was.
Q - Okay. All right. I think I’m done.