intro
i will be using the doc tabs to keep this organized
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by now there's probably a doc on the situation of us all being banned and the devs and mods never having evidence for banning people other than having drama with teenagers but anyway
hi, im gin, i joined ecos like 12/23 but i've known about it for a bit from some friends when their only roblox game was cenozoic survival. this doc is shit that’s happened over the course of a year since i’ve joined and what my friends and i learned too in the course of that year.
some things i’d like to address were yea, i loved trolling in that server, rage-baiting and arguing, i'm still a teenager and so are my friends, we had fun in that server and in the roblox game. sure, some of us went too far on countless occasions and all compiled plentiful warnings in our time there, but it was literally harmless fun. if you haven’t seen the other doc, all our final ban messages by dyno said this:
most of us were absolutely antagonistic, but a few of us they banned for simply associating “closely” with us, no matter if they didn’t break any rules (very impartial of them). the entire staff blocked all of us so if we even wanted to ask for evidence and why this ban was so sudden, we weren’t able to. so for our friends who were not rightfully banned, because they quite literally hadn’t participated in anything said in this server and simply were in it, thanks ecos moderation team, superb as usual!
the exclusive reason for this ban was because we made a server for all our friends and mutuals we knew who played ecos to play together and make characters and what not. and lupin and myself said things we shouldn’t have which led to the mass banning of all our friends because one person in this server reported us all. but it was ONLY lupin and i who should have gotten banned off what was said in that server.
we had someone open a ticket for us to ask further why we had gotten banned, there were two extra reasons not listed in that general ban message: racism/stereotyping, and distributing confidential information.
this is already all addressed in lupins doc, ecos drama, and you can go read up on all of that there. but lupin was the reason for the racism/stereotyping claim, and i was the reason for the distributing confidential information claim. so why did everybody else get banned if it was only the two of us who contributed to those claims? the moderation team claims to be unbiased in their banning, but what justice is this? some of our friends were never even warned in their entirety in ecos on the discord and never had in-game warnings, so you simply banned them for befriending us?
nobody agreed with what lupin did, nobody agreed with what i did, so you could have made your peace with permanently banning us, but everybody else?
with all that addressed and put aside, there are some rather disturbing things that have occurred in the years of this servers existence that have been pushed under the rug countless times. this cycle will continue because, if you haven’t noticed, if you don’t worship the mods and devs, you’re deemed antagonistic and toxic.
i made a doc about 6 months ago trying to organize screenshots of what i have collected from the server myself and other people documenting shady shit the mods and devs have done but it direly needed updating and that’s what this new doc is.
unfortunately, i’m not sure if i have all my screenshots throughout my entire year there, but i have enough that i believe people will realize i’m not bullshitting what i'm saying when it comes to parts that i will have to word of mouth say (because i'm banned from the server so i cant just go back and find things).
i think the last thing i want to address in this introduction before i get into the doc is that this moderation team is one of the most disorganized ive ever seen for such a big server. there is so much contradicting between the devs and mods, and between the mods themselves, with how they run the server that it has become so unsafe. there's several accounts that i will get into about how this server fails to protect its main player base’s demographic of minors and at the end of the day, i think past all this petty drama between my friends and the staff, this is most important. even though some of my friends and i were assholes over and over again, we did help out the staff with trying to keep the community safe. we all engaged in reporting bad people in the community and ticketing people breaking rules in the server time and time again. and there were circumstances where justice was never properly served, so its ironic that we got banned like it was top priority compared to other people.
the devs
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this section has been updated 4/22
the main devs that i’ll talk about here are the ones i have hard proof screenshots on, so this will include cam, charley, and paiaeo (a few other devs as well at the end).
everything in this screenshots is pretty self explanatory and very indicative of who the devs truly are as people, so my input might be minimal in certain cases unless context is necessary.
first, i’ll start with cam’s incident, mind you this is a grown ass white man
the two extra screenshots beside this message and beneath are just extra things i have found to display. the one to the left displays the blatant bias toward members that supposedly the staff does not have. after cam said that to lupin, funnily enough they lost their content creator role for a day and then was banned for a year the next day.
below is just a screenshot that ironically shows cam breaking his own rules, as “kys” or “kill yourself” remarks and jokes are not allowed in ecos and have gotten several of my friends and myself warned on multiple occasions, even when directed toward at other friends in on the joke. but perhaps, they would just brush this off as another fun thing devs can too because they are devs.
there is another instance involving cam and also paiaeo disrespecting a member in the game chat, renamed now to tar pits, because he was voicing criticism toward their game. as he did so, the devs seemed to dislike his opinion and went off the deep in end in clicking his profile and reading his about me. displayed, the member had his pet hedgehogs name, apple fritter, publicly in this about me and the two devs abused this information by making remarks of eating apple fritters. do you even get more immature as an adult man at this point, this is some type of trolling not even me or my friends would do because its referring to someones pet you insolent disrespectful assholes…
i’d also just like to throw in the screenshot to the right where a member asked cam what projects hes worked on and he linked his imdb that had his full name. but i got banned for finding a moderator's name on a public profile… you know… public information… and you considered it doxxing… i don't want your house addresses thats actually one of my recurring nightmares
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paiaeo also known as paleo, there's so many screenshots and shit on this dude that speak for themselves but im gonna highlight the worse first
i’d like to include something about this screenshot below, in may of 2020 george floyd was murdered. in the months after that, there were several protests occurring against police brutality and racism. a lot of disgusting memes were made to mock this incident and the injustice that took place, so this could have a correlation to the “meme” in question, but obviously we do not know. regardless of this inexcusable behavior, he would have known of the anti-racist protests going on at this time.
a lot of his jokes just break the rules pretty obviously
their own moderation asking them to stop, granted the original sticker posted was from a mod and also not allowed. this is what i mean when i say there are so many contradictions between what the mods allow vs the devs. fix your rules, or follow them in the least shit
how are you gonna be a dev, the head authority there could be in the server, but asking your moderator if a sticker you want to post is too much that would break your OWN servers rules
i’ve been told by several people that paiaeo has privately commissioned in the past suggestive artwork with an anthro dodo girl and that the artist was a minor at the time of this comm
not only this but also allegedly the same minor at fourteen drew porn of cenozoic survival dire wolf anthropomorphized, in which charley knew and brought up in chat
the only proof i have of this is the anthro dodo sonas paiaeo drew, the one name dodoette is the one who he commissioned for nsfw art from izzy (this is their deadname, but they are also known in ecos as xenosmilus, ivareio, or more commonly ivan, the minor artist in this situation)
he screenshots beneath are proof from ex-mod shesepankh specifying the paiaeo nsfw commissions did exist from someone who was a minor at the time
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charley, he contributes to a chunk of what i’ve discussed about through paiaeo, and the screenshots really speak for themself.
the first screenshot he sent and replied to a minor (ivan) at the time!
a lot of these screenshots involve ivan, with their confirmed age at the time, they knew.
this next bit on charley is with shese, who in the time of these screenshots had just turned 18. the messages with a black background are recent of shese recalling the event.
*since this document, shese has informed me that charley has gone through their private messages and deleted all of his dms with them. this is clearly not a coincidence.
proof of this,
https://gyazo.com/ae78aa5d55ae7e0cd1986cfc3e4f3e59
more proof of him deleting messages he’s sent and then changing it after, look at the time stamp
this last screenshot was deleted for obvious reasons but just another example of the devs ignoring their own rules
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AJ, i think he has some crazy superiority complex in his head and you’ll see why
theres many other conversations in the server where he has crashed out on normal members about mini-modding and undermining his moderators and making them seem like shit (when nobody in chat even ever is implying toward it)
hes also dismissed members trying to help out other members even when it is in a respectful manner and has been fine in the past and done with no problem, so sometimes he just gets into his moods and goes on paragraph blasts in chat its funny
the screenshots below show this, plus him contradicting his moderators and once again the moderation of this server being so dogshit
↑ i don’t know the context of this screenshot to be quite frank, but it's still weird, your player base is mainly minors…
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saberess, also known as bavelly or bav is seen in the screenshots below encouraging ivan (still a minor at the time) to draw a penis on their art
this last screenshot is a good closure for this tab on the devs, so i leave you this to reflect (also bav)
honored chat
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these are some screenshots we have obtained recently from an old channel called “honoured chat” in ecos when it was cenozoic survival. this was an exclusive channel to a select few members including the devs and mods. this channel has since been purged for pretty obvious reasons, it contained graphic content in which i have censored below. you can tell what is being inferred nonetheless.
as you can see, there are several devs in this chat along with several minors and the jokes that are made are very sexual and inappropriate.
the individuals that are blurred out, for their safety, are suspected to have been minors at the time of these screenshots.
↑ i'm assuming this screenshot is referring to paleo’s anthropomorphic dodo oc(s)
the iceberg
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this is the cs iceberg, i dont know when this was made or who made it but a friend gave it to myself and my friends to look at as i made this doc because a few things i’ve discussed with the devs, as you can see, are on those lower tiers in this iceberg.
mind you this is severely outdated and exclusively highlights the days of cs, not the awakening of ecos la brea, but nonetheless it is shit that needs to come to light for people to acknowledge
heres proof that charley knew about the CSR34 bit of the iceberg and even pings the person (who was a minor at the time when they drew it, ivan)
the mods
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this section has been updated 5/7
shesepankh was an ex-mod for cs and ecos. he left (7/24) due to the moderation in ecos falling apart and getting worse since his time there, and there are some interesting things he’s told us about the team. mind you, this was a moderator that had been in the community since 2018 and moderated cenozoic survival and ecos la brea.
to specify, shese is good we love shese
as you can see, he regards a certain moderator pigeon (badoinke) for being “much sensitive”, which for obvious reasons is not a good quality for a moderator. he also states lastly, “when the actually good moderators leave, and you’re stuck with everyone else (including some of the higher ups)”. hearing this come from an ex-moderator is alarming that even some of the higher ups were iffy in protecting their own server, so much so that their own mods were wary.
funny enough, my friends and i had learned by pigeon herself that she only got her position due to being friends with one of the devs, charley.
not a very good system of choosing people actually good for the position of moderating… not only this, but pigeon was only a member for a few months before becoming a moderator.
*a worthy note i’d like to additionally highlight in this section on pigeon is that she deleted her dms with hyena, a member in ecos at the time, a long time ago. im assuming this is to hide things she had said that she realized were wrong.
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archer (lillianarcher38) is currently still a mod who i personally called out for tracing on 5/7/24. they posted artwork of an oc with different sketches, full-body and headshots. im an artist myself so its hard to explain how you can tell when someones linework is suspicious and looks copycat traced, but from my experience and years of drawing, i've called out so many tracers or ai users. i went on pinterest and found a few photographs of real life wolves that looked like their art piece and overlaid them in ibis paint x and low and behold, the lines aligned.
i asked them if these were referenced (in which the server has a rule that heavily referenced photos must be credited with the photographer's name). they didn’t admit to be that it was traced and instead stated they used references to create an outline to go off when they drew.
here's my proof,
as you can see in my message, they deleted all their art after a while and what they had said to me, simply stating after “i'll repost once i find the photographers.” other members, as i stated it is a rule in the server, MUST credit their photographers for close references let alone tracing. but when i call out a mod, it's just deleted and there is no repercussion to them.
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bri (k.ozmix) is the lead moderator on the ecos la brea team but has displayed time and time again an inability to actually properly moderate or give proper justice to members of the discord server. later, i will provide more screenshots regarding this, but for now i have screenshots of blatant poor moderating given to me by one of my close friends tiller.
tiller opened a ticket after receiving the warning from a situation in artwork regarding one of the mods, pigeon tracing over an image. they thought the image traced was not their own or from a friend, and asked them to credit and was immediately dogpiled by other members and pigeon herself. you can see quickly how aggressive pigeons message to them is and how clearly in this situation there was bias and that pigeon should not have handled the ordeal with how quickly worked up they got and how they were a factor in the affair.
this is another case of things not applying to mods like they do to other members of the server with no authority. i have seen meme draw overs being asked for credit in ecos, but suddenly this changes when it is a mod doing so. tiller asked them, with no malice, to credit since we were told this rule and read it, and yet was called antagonistic.
prior to this, tiller could not recall any of their antagonistic behavior in the art channel, let alone being warned for it previously and told to it was problematic and to drop it. so why now suddenly when they are referring to a moderator is it warned and considered condescending?
“you tend to have a very harsh tone and it typically turns into arguments and riles up other members causing artwork to become a less friendly space”
do i really have to say anything else like genuinely
“i do not have any screenshots to share regarding the very fucking reason you were warned.” but theres no bias right? and it was a dished out warning by your “team” meaning multiple of you just agreeing to warn a member for now no evidence. and you’re the lead mod? yikes!
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kingterra111 was a mod trial who was in a public vc with a minor, bashfulhyena, (he as an adult) and made disgustingly inappropriate and uncomfortable jokes directed at the hyena and himself and the animals they were playing (cenozoic survival, kelekens). undeniably, at the end of the day, what this man said was unacceptable and crossed a line that should have gotten him permanently banned. (he was supposedly permanently banned a month after rejoining).
(there are videos but docs doesn’t allow mp4’s and i’m too lazy to convert so)
below i have provided screenshots between the hyena and bri’s dms as hyena privately messaged bri when she noticed terra rejoined the server after four months
this section will be on bri now
(he did not only make a lesbian keleken joke, there is a clip of him randomly talking about “tight holes” in a very suggestive manner as previously he had been making step-bro, step-sis, and step-mom jokes).
the scariest part of this unfortunate situation was how, once again, the lead mod bri handled it so unprofessionally and dismissively. it truly seemed like she really didnt give a fuck what he did and that she followed their “guidelines” to ban him for four months.
id like to note something alongside this, he was banned for four months ONLY off several nsfw jokes but members who have broken the TOS and rules not as severe have gotten full one year bans. how the fuck are you the lead mod and this is what you would consider acceptable moderation and a good guide?
even better, bri was going around leaking a fake “ecos release date” and sent it to hyena, the screenshots i have are below
it’s been a while, but in addition to this section on bri i have been given some screenshots by someone who would like to stay anonymous, the topic in these screenshots get graphic so i will put a warning.
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the next situation is involving a minor, for their safety we are censoring their name, this member was 13 when they joined and had openly said in the server that they did it against their mothers parental supervision and had been groomed 3 times prior on the app as well. their about-me had once previously said “adults dni” but after a while of regularly talking in ecos, it was deleted. however, in their short time of becoming a regular, they seemed to create a parasocial relationship with the moderators.
theres gonna be a shitload of screenshots of this so read it as you please, formulate your own opinion as you please, but my friends and i thought it was weird as fuck and still do.
one of us, sasha, even privately dmed veno (venonex) voicing her concern on all of our behalfs on the behavior between the minor and the mods but it was dismissed per usual. do not be mistaken, we are not accusing the moderators that interacted with this minor to be doing it maliciously or with ulterior motives, we are not calling them pedophiles or any of that. we just think that they could have taken our concerns a little more seriously considering this minors past on discord but they always seem quick to state that something is “out of their control” when they very much could contribute more to a matter.
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tiller got warned for a comment they made in general, which mind you was following the current topic occurring in the channel, due to a moderator deeming it “nsfw” when that was not the context. another instance of the mods twisting a member's words in order to warn them, especially for members they simply disliked.
below are the screenshots of that stupid occurrence
and then when the ticket closed, suddenly the reason changed and then they added that tillers comment was directed at a minor. where was that in the original dyno warning message? the length they went to reach just to warn tiller is insanity because in absolutely no way did they imply anything unsafe or inappropriate in their message.
tiller even asked a different mod that was not lithic, the one who took the ticket, and even they seemed to be confused as to why the warning was given due to the message in no way, shape, nor form insinuating nsfw. so clearly, this was another incident of “we don’t like you as a member and are going to warn you because we can”
and lastly, i’ll leave you with this beautiful screenshot to sum up the entire moderation team and system of ecos la brea
doxxing
this section has been updated 4/21
there’s this crazy idea that the devs and mods have that we doxxed one of them or tried to all because i said pigeons full name in a server with my friends and myself. fun fact, it was a public instagram account. the image was public idk what to tell you
hopefully this reaches the mods and devs and if it does,
just gonna screenshot some proof of that here because i don't know if you guys know the definition of doxxing
im cropping out your face and username so nobody can find it, because i'm actually not the huge doxxing piece of shit you tried to make me out to be, so you’re welcome!
these two screenshots i will provide are why i was banned from ecos, aside from being problematic and antagonistic. this comment was made in a separate server with friends and was definitely unsavory, i see that now, and i should not have said it even if it was a joke.
i never did send her face in this server, i did not even link her instagram to anybody. i did not spread it and even if i did, none of my friends agreed with me for my stupid joke and instead held me accountable and told me to not do it. i do apologize, it was a stupid as fuck thing to say and "think to do" (though to be clear i would not have and was joking, i knew it was wrong and dumb as fuck to do!)
yes, as you can see, i did leak her name in this server as well. also not my brightest moment nor did again, any of my friends condone my behavior but they also stated after the fact how they ignored my comment because they found it silly and inappropriate to have been said. i apologized to them all individually for my mistake.
it was immature as fuck for me to say her full name, but id like to say i did not encourage any malice intent when i had said it. it was more of a stated fact when i typed it, or that was my intention and as you can see, i never said anything like "go find her". though i suppose, it would encourage such negative behavior and possibilities, and for that, i once again apologize. but id like to wrap back to reiterating that my friends did NOT condone my behavior in the slightest and AGREED that this was dumb as fuck for me to do and "spread" or leak.
lastly, i just want to clarify, i have nothing that is "private information" on the devs or could truly be considered "doxxing" and nobody has stalked you guys and i personally haven't either. nobody has the intention in my friend group to dox you, i don't have that intention, we never wanted to and we never will. that is harmful and downright traumatizing for a person and i don't wish it upon anybody. i see how harmful my words were though, but i am glad my friends are better people than myself and did not do anything with the information i provided.
outro
everything i’ve learned from my time in ecos about the staff was honestly really disheartening and downright disgusting in the end and i think this doc was extremely necessary to be made and distributed publicly. i really don’t think any of this is excusable, no matter how old some evidence is, and i'm disappointed nobody thought sooner to make something and get information out there but alas.
although the moderators and devs might think my friends and i’s sole intent as we communicated on the server and played their game was to make their lives miserable and harass other members of the community including themselves, we are literally just teenagers. we had our fun when we played and i think many of us enjoyed the community until we truly learned what a fucking filthy cesspool it truly is behind the scenes.
i made some really great friends and moots from ecos, and i will never regret joining the discord and learning about the game for as short of a year as i did. and honestly, i’m extraordinarily glad i did actually because i don't think anybody would have made a document ever about any of this shit but i think it’s something everybody should know if you’re in that community. though i'm sure their will be people who don’t give a shit because it’s their favorite roblox game which i mean the playerbase is mainly minors so yeah makes sense.
at the end of the day, the most serious issue with this server is documented firsthand in this doc, the inability to protect minors in the community from unsafe individuals, their literal staff. with that being said this isn’t an invitation to go harass anybody in this document through private messages, be mature.
to whoever this gets to or where it ends up, the purpose of the doc is to be sent so if you have friends in ecos, spread the gospel
you reap what you sow