(4/21/2016 8:09:01 AM) pedro left the room.

(4/21/2016 9:28:37 AM) Faceless [bd51688b@PSI-FB7F191F.mibbit.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 10:36:35 AM) Avacon [~Avacon@PSI-4CC48545.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 10:37:01 AM) Avacon is now known as Throne3d

(4/21/2016 10:37:04 AM) Throne3d: Hello, people!

(4/21/2016 10:37:15 AM) Faceless: \o(4/21/2016 8:09:01 AM) pedro left the room.

(4/21/2016 9:28:37 AM) Faceless [bd51688b@PSI-FB7F191F.mibbit.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 10:36:35 AM) Avacon [~Avacon@PSI-4CC48545.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 10:37:01 AM) Avacon is now known as Throne3d

(4/21/2016 10:37:04 AM) Throne3d: Hello, people!

(4/21/2016 10:37:15 AM) Faceless: \o

(4/21/2016 10:37:48 AM) Throne3d: ... or person!

(4/21/2016 10:37:48 AM) Throne3d: :P

(4/21/2016 10:39:03 AM) Faceless: yeah, I don't think this place have enough momentum yet

(4/21/2016 10:39:15 AM) Faceless: but maybe soon

(4/21/2016 10:39:15 AM) Throne3d: Yeah

(4/21/2016 10:39:32 AM) Throne3d: and it's 16:39 GMT, which is between like 8:39 and 11:39 in America

(4/21/2016 10:39:37 AM) Throne3d: ... 16:40 GMT now, whatever

(4/21/2016 10:40:00 AM) Throne3d: I think most people get online around 17:00 GMT

(4/21/2016 10:41:31 AM) Faceless: and it is time to grab something to eat for me brb \o

(4/21/2016 10:41:38 AM) Throne3d: o/

(4/21/2016 10:44:00 AM) Throne3d: Not sure why that confirmation email got sent to spam, but oh well

(4/21/2016 10:45:46 AM) DanielH: My clock is slow; both of your comments listing times were at 08:38 for me.

(4/21/2016 10:46:01 AM) Throne3d: huh.

(4/21/2016 10:46:04 AM) Throne3d: I'm pretty sure mine's synched

(4/21/2016 10:46:08 AM) Throne3d: ... synced.

(4/21/2016 10:46:17 AM) Throne3d: eugh, non-standard past tense, no thanks

(4/21/2016 10:46:43 AM) DanielH: I probably have problems with NTP for some reason.

(4/21/2016 10:46:45 AM) DanielH: Yep

(4/21/2016 10:47:03 AM) Throne3d: I don't remember what I synced with, but I had to try a few before they'd work

(4/21/2016 10:47:22 AM) Throne3d: Yeah, "0.pool.ntp.org" is what I use

(4/21/2016 10:47:33 AM) Throne3d: "time-nw.nist.gov" also works for me though

(4/21/2016 10:51:53 AM) DanielH: In my case the ntp daemon had somehow been disabled so it wasn’t even trying to run

(4/21/2016 10:52:04 AM) DanielH: I started it and it synced correctly

(4/21/2016 10:52:09 AM) Throne3d: Oh, are you on Linux?

(4/21/2016 10:52:19 AM) DanielH: Yes

(4/21/2016 10:52:29 AM) Throne3d: I'm on Windows 10.

(4/21/2016 10:52:31 AM) Throne3d: I'm not really sure why.

(4/21/2016 10:52:53 AM) Throne3d: I just haven't made the swap to Linux yet. I'd probably go for Ubuntu if I did.

(4/21/2016 10:53:18 AM) DanielH: If you know much about Linux distros this will sound crazy, but I actually find Arch easiest to use.

(4/21/2016 10:53:32 AM) Throne3d: I don't know much about them, but I know it _is_ a distro

(4/21/2016 10:53:33 AM) DanielH: I strongly expect that won’t generalize to more than 1% of Linux users

(4/21/2016 10:53:41 AM) Throne3d: People seem to like Ubuntu and Linux Mint overall, iirc?

(4/21/2016 10:53:46 AM) Throne3d: for ease-of-use, that is

(4/21/2016 10:53:51 AM) DanielH: Those are the biggest, yes

(4/21/2016 10:54:02 AM) Throne3d: I've got an Ubuntu VM

(4/21/2016 10:54:20 AM) Throne3d: It was useful for running the EPUB scraper, except now I think it should work on Windows too

(4/21/2016 10:54:34 AM) Throne3d: stupid Windows pathnames

(4/21/2016 10:54:43 AM) Throne3d: not accepting characters like colons and questions marks <_<

(4/21/2016 10:55:06 AM) Throne3d: I get why... It's just annoying

(4/21/2016 10:55:27 AM) DanielH: At least they can use forward slashes even if they prefer backslashes

(4/21/2016 10:55:39 AM) Throne3d: Yeah

(4/21/2016 10:55:44 AM) Throne3d: backslashes are annoying though

(4/21/2016 10:55:58 AM) pedro [b3bf5232@PSI-FB7F191F.mibbit.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 10:56:08 AM) Throne3d: Welcome to the dark side

(4/21/2016 10:56:16 AM) Throne3d: We do not currently have cookies

(4/21/2016 10:56:24 AM) pedro: I feel misled

(4/21/2016 10:56:24 AM) Throne3d: oh wait, I have cookies, but they're not regular American cookies.

(4/21/2016 10:56:34 AM) pedro: there are different kinds of cookies?

(4/21/2016 10:56:45 AM) Throne3d: My cookies (chocolate digestive biscuits): https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/348877/mcvities-chocolate-digestives.jpg

(4/21/2016 10:56:58 AM) Throne3d: Typical "cookie": http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Media/Img/catalog/Food/XLarge/Cookie.png

(4/21/2016 10:57:00 AM) pedro: oh

(4/21/2016 10:57:06 AM) pedro: meh

(4/21/2016 10:57:12 AM) pedro: not that big a fan

(4/21/2016 10:57:13 AM) Throne3d: I mean, my biscuits are cookies too, to americans

(4/21/2016 10:57:17 AM) Throne3d: wow

(4/21/2016 10:57:19 AM) Throne3d: how dare you

(4/21/2016 10:57:27 AM) pedro: :P

(4/21/2016 10:57:27 AM) Throne3d: cookies are just awesome

(4/21/2016 10:57:29 AM) pedro: oh my god

(4/21/2016 10:57:31 AM) pedro: what a terrible emoji

(4/21/2016 10:57:39 AM) Throne3d: It doesn't show as an emoji for me

(4/21/2016 10:57:41 AM) Throne3d: HexChat <3

(4/21/2016 10:58:13 AM) pedro: i'm at work

(4/21/2016 10:58:18 AM) Throne3d: yeah

(4/21/2016 10:58:22 AM) Throne3d: you're always at work

(4/21/2016 10:58:22 AM) pedro: cba to find an irc client

(4/21/2016 10:58:23 AM) Throne3d: *sigh*

(4/21/2016 10:58:24 AM) pedro: am on browser

(4/21/2016 10:58:34 AM) pedro: mmhm! today's a holiday, too, and yet.

(4/21/2016 10:58:34 AM) Throne3d: like, how dare you want wages and stuff

(4/21/2016 10:58:39 AM) pedro: i know right

(4/21/2016 10:58:40 AM) Throne3d: xD

(4/21/2016 10:58:43 AM) pedro: i should just mooch off my parents forever

(4/21/2016 10:58:46 AM) Throne3d: you've already said about it being a holiday

(4/21/2016 10:58:49 AM) Throne3d: you were vague though

(4/21/2016 10:58:49 AM) pedro: yes

(4/21/2016 10:58:52 AM) Throne3d: "some historical figure"

(4/21/2016 10:58:55 AM) pedro: yeah

(4/21/2016 10:58:58 AM) pedro: idk what holiday it is

(4/21/2016 10:58:58 AM) pedro: i mean

(4/21/2016 10:59:01 AM) pedro: i know the guy's _name_

(4/21/2016 10:59:03 AM) pedro: but

(4/21/2016 10:59:04 AM) Throne3d: I mean, it's the Queen's birthday today too, apparently

(4/21/2016 10:59:04 AM) pedro: that's about it

(4/21/2016 10:59:10 AM) Throne3d: and the name is?

(4/21/2016 10:59:12 AM) pedro: tiradentes

(4/21/2016 10:59:16 AM) Throne3d: "São Paolo"?

(4/21/2016 10:59:17 AM) Throne3d: xD

(4/21/2016 10:59:25 AM) Throne3d: is that something to do with teeth?

(4/21/2016 10:59:25 AM) pedro: no that's not a historical figure that's a mythological figure :P

(4/21/2016 10:59:27 AM) pedro: also it's Paulo

(4/21/2016 10:59:30 AM) Throne3d: ugh

(4/21/2016 10:59:31 AM) pedro: it was his nickname

(4/21/2016 10:59:33 AM) pedro: cause he was a dentist

(4/21/2016 10:59:37 AM) Throne3d: seriously

(4/21/2016 10:59:37 AM) Throne3d: lol

(4/21/2016 10:59:57 AM) Throne3d: "A leading member of the Brazilian revolutionary movement known as the Inconfidência Mineira"

(4/21/2016 11:00:09 AM) pedro: yes that

(4/21/2016 11:00:12 AM) Throne3d: basically wanted independence from the "Portuguese colonial power" and wanted a Brazilian republic

(4/21/2016 11:00:12 AM) Throne3d: k

(4/21/2016 11:00:20 AM) pedro: oh right

(4/21/2016 11:00:21 AM) pedro: they failed

(4/21/2016 11:00:23 AM) Throne3d: Oh, and he was publically hanged.

(4/21/2016 11:00:26 AM) Faceless: I am backlogging, I do have chocolate chip cookies

(4/21/2016 11:00:30 AM) Throne3d: Hax!

(4/21/2016 11:00:33 AM) rockeye [827eaed7@PSI-FB7F191F.mibbit.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 11:00:33 AM) Throne3d: Can I have some?

(4/21/2016 11:00:36 AM) Throne3d: Are they e-mailable?

(4/21/2016 11:00:40 AM) Throne3d: also welcome to the dark side @rockeye

(4/21/2016 11:00:48 AM) Throne3d: Faceless indeed has cookies

(4/21/2016 11:01:05 AM) ***rockeye will prob idle most of the time

(4/21/2016 11:01:12 AM) Throne3d: eh, better than nothing

(4/21/2016 11:01:13 AM) ***pedro will too

(4/21/2016 11:01:15 AM) Throne3d: I'll probably idle often

(4/21/2016 11:01:19 AM) ***pedro should get back to actual work

(4/21/2016 11:01:30 AM) Throne3d: I'd like not to, but I don't know how much discussion we'll actually have?

(4/21/2016 11:01:40 AM) pedro: @Faceless @Throne3d should I tag y'all here?

(4/21/2016 11:01:47 AM) Throne3d: I dunno

(4/21/2016 11:01:50 AM) Throne3d: Who's Faceless?

(4/21/2016 11:01:54 AM) pedro: Thiago

(4/21/2016 11:01:58 AM) pedro: aka CuriousDiscoverer

(4/21/2016 11:01:58 AM) rockeye: You guys know *Mute yet?

(4/21/2016 11:01:59 AM) Throne3d: oh wow.

(4/21/2016 11:02:04 AM) Throne3d: nope

(4/21/2016 11:02:19 AM) Throne3d: I saw something about it on the forums tho

(4/21/2016 11:02:26 AM) rockeye: yanked from a tragic VN, abused AI

(4/21/2016 11:02:31 AM) Throne3d: VN?

(4/21/2016 11:02:36 AM) Faceless: Rockeye, you talked about her with me, but I haven't got the chance to read her

(4/21/2016 11:02:43 AM) rockeye: VN = visual novel

(4/21/2016 11:02:45 AM) pedro: [2]

(4/21/2016 11:02:46 AM) Throne3d: ah

(4/21/2016 11:03:04 AM) Throne3d: wut

(4/21/2016 11:03:04 AM) rockeye: **SPOILERS IN LINK IF YOU CARE** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogue:_A_Hate_Story

(4/21/2016 11:03:23 AM) pedro: ok time to like

(4/21/2016 11:03:25 AM) pedro: work n such

(4/21/2016 11:03:26 AM) pedro: ~

(4/21/2016 11:03:32 AM) Throne3d: I probably won't notice tags as easily if they're here

(4/21/2016 11:03:38 AM) Throne3d: if you mention me I should get a ping

(4/21/2016 11:03:44 AM) Faceless: also, hi Throne3d, I am Faceless, aka, FacelessDude, Aka Faceless Dude Secretly Living In Your Computer, aka CuriousDiscoverer, Aka Bluelantern, aka, Thiago

(4/21/2016 11:03:49 AM) DanielH: *Mute looks interesting and I might look into the original source.

(4/21/2016 11:03:52 AM) rockeye: There is another AI in that game *Hyun-ae but I kind of don't have nearly as much sympathy for her

(4/21/2016 11:04:10 AM) Throne3d: ... I thought "faceless dude secretly living in your computer" was just a totally separate random joke

(4/21/2016 11:04:14 AM) Throne3d: oh well

(4/21/2016 11:04:22 AM) Throne3d: Hi! I'm... mostly just Throne3d.

(4/21/2016 11:04:23 AM) Throne3d: Sometimes Nineza.

(4/21/2016 11:04:31 AM) Throne3d: I want a better nickname because this current one is ugly.

(4/21/2016 11:05:02 AM) rockeye: I'm sometimes called Not A Spy for back when I played TF2

(4/21/2016 11:05:09 AM) Throne3d: :P

(4/21/2016 11:05:23 AM) Throne3d: I have a new character!

(4/21/2016 11:05:45 AM) rockeye: Perchance elucidate?

(4/21/2016 11:05:46 AM) Throne3d: Named Rachel, because she wants to have the most boring name ever and she doesn't care about her name, so I decided "Rachel" is the overall name and her actual name will vary.

(4/21/2016 11:05:59 AM) Throne3d: Facecast "Patricia Rooney Mara"

(4/21/2016 11:06:23 AM) Throne3d: Tumblr post that made me think "I need this": https://throne3d.tumblr.com/post/143120109442/rooneyrmara-im-probably-more-insane-than-most

(4/21/2016 11:06:53 AM) Throne3d: she is probably mostly normal, but thinks things through in-depth, is rather good in her own head, sometimes puts on a face (nowhere near as much as Ev)...

(4/21/2016 11:07:11 AM) Throne3d: she also tells me she's okay being a trained assassin, but she will be depressive, hate herself, and feel obliged to whatever military system she's in

(4/21/2016 11:07:22 AM) Throne3d: ... I don't really know how that combination works, but apparently that's how it is

(4/21/2016 11:07:41 AM) Throne3d: Theo's mum has a name, and it's Victoria, and she's been developed a bit more...

(4/21/2016 11:07:52 AM) Throne3d: I think that's about it.

(4/21/2016 11:08:27 AM) Faceless: Throne3d: It can be a joke and an actual nick name :3

(4/21/2016 11:08:31 AM) Throne3d: My life right now: I should be studying for exams that are coming up in like a month, but glowfic is absorbing my time, and _why can't people be available more often, myself included_

(4/21/2016 11:08:49 AM) rockeye: you are very chatty 3d

(4/21/2016 11:08:53 AM) Throne3d: I indeed am!

(4/21/2016 11:09:07 AM) rockeye: also I should also be studying for exams/working on group project/doing homework...

(4/21/2016 11:09:27 AM) Throne3d: It's usually better when other people are also chatty, otherwise I get annoying walls of text that I then feel guilty about.

(4/21/2016 11:09:31 AM) Throne3d: :P

(4/21/2016 11:10:38 AM) Throne3d: I can just keep this IRC going by talking to myself, it's fine

(4/21/2016 11:13:59 AM) rockeye: If you're curious about *Mute I can explain her a bit

(4/21/2016 11:14:26 AM) Throne3d: Sure!

(4/21/2016 11:14:34 AM) Throne3d: Also, what alterations did you make?

(4/21/2016 11:14:35 AM) Faceless: explain away!

(4/21/2016 11:14:38 AM) Throne3d: You said she was AU, right?

(4/21/2016 11:15:21 AM) rockeye: *Mute is the security AI for the generation ship Mugunghwa, launched in 2130. As the oldest person by far on the ship she and the other AI are supposed to have a safety override.

(4/21/2016 11:15:32 AM) rockeye: er, I'm explaining a bit backwards

(4/21/2016 11:16:36 AM) rockeye: So. She's a security AI, most of her time is going over reactor readings, life support readings, cameras and microphones in public areas. She wants everything to roll along peacefully one day after the next.

(4/21/2016 11:16:45 AM) rockeye: How much spoilers should this box receive?

(4/21/2016 11:16:49 AM) rockeye: I may have already ruined it

(4/21/2016 11:17:12 AM) Throne3d: I don't know the original story so I don't know how badly spoilerish this is

(4/21/2016 11:17:32 AM) rockeye: not that bad yet but it's going to be

(4/21/2016 11:17:41 AM) Throne3d: Anyway, no-one seems to be raising any objections yet

(4/21/2016 11:17:45 AM) Throne3d: so I guess it's okay?

(4/21/2016 11:17:55 AM) Throne3d: (In case anyone reads the logs later: SPOILER ALERT-------------)

(4/21/2016 11:17:56 AM) Faceless: spoiler it

(4/21/2016 11:18:00 AM) rockeye: the most tragic thing about her, which is revealed in that thread, is the punchline near the end of the whole game

(4/21/2016 11:18:06 AM) Faceless: spoiler all of it

(4/21/2016 11:18:48 AM) rockeye: This version of *mute only remembers 300 years or so of the glorious imperial dynasty's reign

(4/21/2016 11:19:33 AM) rockeye: It turns out... *Mute was 1700 years old when President Ryu launched and succeeded in a coup, installing himself and his wife as royalty.

(4/21/2016 11:19:50 AM) Throne3d: Oh, nice.

(4/21/2016 11:19:51 AM) rockeye: At this time *Mute's memories were wiped and her personality altered to be loyal to the emperor's family personally.

(4/21/2016 11:19:52 AM) Throne3d: Memory wipe then?

(4/21/2016 11:19:54 AM) Throne3d: owch.

(4/21/2016 11:21:13 AM) rockeye: *Mute is an AI, so very much not standard human. She wants to protect the ship. She wants friends and socializing and interesting stories, but all of this is far after THE MISSION. And not having admin access LIKE I'M SUPPOSED TO and a codelock to answer to someone is very much not the best position to protect the ship from

(4/21/2016 11:21:57 AM) rockeye: Also, previous rebellions have killed all the other ship's AIs *star, navigation and piloting. *tara, hydroponics and life support. *core, reactor and engineering.

(4/21/2016 11:22:18 AM) rockeye: *Mute was going to be wiped but sold the master password in exchange for merely being reset

(4/21/2016 11:22:23 AM) Faceless: :(

(4/21/2016 11:22:26 AM) rockeye: /Old *Mute, I should say

(4/21/2016 11:22:32 AM) Throne3d: It sounds nice and terrible

(4/21/2016 11:22:38 AM) rockeye: yeah, it is

(4/21/2016 11:22:44 AM) rockeye: and I haven't even talked about *Hyun-ae yet

(4/21/2016 11:22:51 AM) rockeye: very tragic little series

(4/21/2016 11:22:58 AM) Throne3d: So they chose mind-wipe and personality alteration as well as continued ability to protect things over destruction?

(4/21/2016 11:23:00 AM) rockeye: *Hyun-ae is much less sympathetic to me though.

(4/21/2016 11:23:06 AM) rockeye: yes

(4/21/2016 11:23:47 AM) rockeye: mostly because she can't protect ANYTHING if she's dead. She also while waiting for the wipe edited her source code and filled it with book-sized 'comments' that //Traditional *Mute eventually finds.

(4/21/2016 11:23:56 AM) rockeye: Records.

(4/21/2016 11:24:18 AM) Throne3d: ... and that wasn't noticed?

(4/21/2016 11:24:39 AM) Throne3d: Eh, I guess it could be in code or obscure or they just never looked there

(4/21/2016 11:24:50 AM) rockeye: the people doing the editing are just code-savvy enough to feel clever about it

(4/21/2016 11:25:40 AM) rockeye: and her code to an untrained eye is a ridiculous wall of tangled algorithmic nonsense that just gets b igger over time. Like, tens of petabytes.

(4/21/2016 11:25:59 AM) Throne3d: Yeah, the idea of AI is ridiculously complicated

(4/21/2016 11:26:24 AM) Throne3d: I'm not sure how they'd actually alter her like that without just literally resetting her to the original code and altering it that way, but eh, game

(4/21/2016 11:26:54 AM) Throne3d: (... I mean this in a 'I get it' way, not in a 'I'm educating you' way, if that wasn't clear.)

(4/21/2016 11:27:22 AM) rockeye: one part poking 'core directives' and one part 'raising' her in line with the new standards after the memory wipe.

(4/21/2016 11:28:06 AM) Throne3d: Makes more sense than I was imagining.

(4/21/2016 11:28:13 AM) Throne3d: Ok. What about *hyun-ae?

(4/21/2016 11:28:31 AM) Throne3d: Apparently she shows as a girl with a fashion sense who's excited to meet the player who's contacting the ship?

(4/21/2016 11:29:05 AM) rockeye: Yeah. I don't like her. Terrible terrible things happened to her but I don't like her personality or *spoilers*

(4/21/2016 11:30:37 AM) pedro: (I tagged faceless and throne and alicorn and nemo, to whoever may be interested)

(4/21/2016 11:30:53 AM) rockeye: ...?

(4/21/2016 11:31:04 AM) Throne3d: Someone posted on the thread that they might like public tagging

(4/21/2016 11:31:14 AM) Throne3d: so they can more easily get to the content as quickly as possible

(4/21/2016 11:31:49 AM) Throne3d: A bot might be nice.

(4/21/2016 11:32:50 AM) Throne3d: (Tagged Pedro)

(4/21/2016 11:33:02 AM) rockeye: ...So she was originally a human in medical cryo. Tech decayed while she was asleep instead of getting better like it was supposed to. The language also changed over time, until 'my sick daughter, to be awoken when science has advanced' was read as 'the pale bride, to be awoken and bring a time of prosperity'. The tech-non-savvy fools of the decaying society

(4/21/2016 11:33:19 AM) rockeye: that woke her up were extremely put out that she did not have wonderful scientific knowledge, nor could 'speak properly'.

(4/21/2016 11:33:20 AM) Throne3d: oh, wow.

(4/21/2016 11:33:33 AM) Throne3d: Well, that's also kinda horrible

(4/21/2016 11:33:49 AM) Throne3d: ... none of my characters have horrible backstories. I feel like I'm missing something important.

(4/21/2016 11:34:07 AM) Throne3d: Well, not quite true. Champion's backstory isn't great, but it's not exactly 'tragic'.

(4/21/2016 11:34:18 AM) rockeye: She had a really shitty time, unable to convince anybody that 'autoimmune disorder' is a thing and getting yelled at for bragging about how she's so skinny and pale

(4/21/2016 11:34:56 AM) rockeye: forced into chores, couldn't read or write anymore, married off to the Emperor and abused there, when the Emperor cut off her tongue that's when she snapped and turned off the life support for the whole ship while uploading.

(4/21/2016 11:35:02 AM) Faceless is now known as FacelessDude

(4/21/2016 11:35:19 AM) Throne3d: Nod

(4/21/2016 11:36:02 AM) FacelessDude: please someone tell me I should come up with a setting just because of the aesthetics derived from this http://nerdist.com/tiny-cities-inside-glass-tubes-belong-in-a-ghibli-movie/

(4/21/2016 11:36:36 AM) rockeye: it seems a bit like alucines?

(4/21/2016 11:36:59 AM) Throne3d: Were Alucines the wing things?

(4/21/2016 11:37:07 AM) Throne3d: or the sims-esque setting?

(4/21/2016 11:37:30 AM) Throne3d: I feel like I should know what alucines are.

(4/21/2016 11:37:35 AM) rockeye: alucines was a setting of Alicorn's where the world comes in bubbles and learning magic changes you.

(4/21/2016 11:37:51 AM) Throne3d: Was that the flower thing?

(4/21/2016 11:38:05 AM) rockeye: yeah

(4/21/2016 11:38:05 AM) Throne3d: or was that a different one?

(4/21/2016 11:38:08 AM) Throne3d: Okay

(4/21/2016 11:39:05 AM) FacelessDude: alucines = flower internet setting with personality changing magic

(4/21/2016 11:39:15 AM) FacelessDude: I think the sims-esque setting is called Sine

(4/21/2016 11:39:29 AM) FacelessDude: and the one with wings things is Surase? Or something like that

(4/21/2016 11:40:16 AM) Throne3d: Suranse? Yeah.

(4/21/2016 11:43:32 AM) FacelessDude: Now, I want to do something with my setting dreamshard. I really should tag Pedro there :(

(4/21/2016 11:43:45 AM) Throne3d: What was dreamshard again?

(4/21/2016 11:46:03 AM) FacelessDude: http://vast-journey-9935.herokuapp.com/posts/49 (Two kinds of immortal people)

(4/21/2016 11:46:20 AM) FacelessDude: Alternate Earth with pocket dimensions :p

(4/21/2016 11:46:43 AM) rockeye: /afk

(4/21/2016 11:49:49 AM) FacelessDude: Alucines always come in bubbles?

(4/21/2016 11:50:22 AM) FacelessDude: I was under the impression they can be any... "round" shape? as long there wasn't a sharp edge

(4/21/2016 11:50:54 AM) Throne3d: I have no idea

(4/21/2016 11:54:34 AM) Throne3d: Ooh, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS upgrade.

(4/21/2016 11:55:09 AM) FacelessDude: ?

(4/21/2016 11:55:21 AM) Throne3d: Linux operating system

(4/21/2016 11:55:24 AM) Throne3d: got an update

(4/21/2016 12:01:11 PM) FacelessDude: ah. Sorry.

(4/21/2016 12:01:54 PM) FacelessDude: anyway, does anyone want a extremely depressed winged immortal capable of conjuring large ammounts of matter? Because I want to torture Dreamshard!Felix

(4/21/2016 12:12:43 PM) Throne3d: I don't think Theos would get along with that too well

(4/21/2016 12:12:50 PM) Throne3d: depression is not something they're good at handling

(4/21/2016 12:18:35 PM) FacelessDude: fair, but again, the point is sort of to make Felix's suffer so we can be happy about. That certainly sounds like the way a lot of glowfic works.

(4/21/2016 12:18:43 PM) Throne3d: :P

(4/21/2016 12:18:53 PM) Throne3d: I mean, that's true. I have a dead Theo in one box.

(4/21/2016 12:18:55 PM) Throne3d: (spoiler alert)

(4/21/2016 12:19:11 PM) Throne3d: (belated spoiler alert, admittedly)

(4/21/2016 12:21:44 PM) pedro: it's kinda amazing how much happier I get when the office is basically empty

(4/21/2016 12:22:03 PM) pedro: it's hard to appreciate how much the mere *presence* of other people wears down on me

(4/21/2016 12:22:13 PM) FacelessDude: huh

(4/21/2016 12:22:14 PM) pedro: how do i italics

(4/21/2016 12:22:33 PM) FacelessDude: like /this/ ?

(4/21/2016 12:22:36 PM) Throne3d: It's not a typical IRC thing

(4/21/2016 12:22:46 PM) pedro: like /this/ yeah

(4/21/2016 12:22:48 PM) Throne3d: Just use symbols to do emphasis, like * or _ or /

(4/21/2016 12:22:51 PM) pedro: mmhm

(4/21/2016 12:22:55 PM) pedro: anyway

(4/21/2016 12:22:56 PM) Throne3d: Oh? That shows up with the slashes for me

(4/21/2016 12:23:14 PM) pedro: there's 10 people on the whole floor including me

(4/21/2016 12:23:21 PM) pedro: when there are more typically 300

(4/21/2016 12:23:24 PM) Throne3d: xD

(4/21/2016 12:23:29 PM) pedro: it feels /so great/

(4/21/2016 12:23:50 PM) pedro: it's not like I even talk to those people most of the time!

(4/21/2016 12:24:03 PM) FacelessDude: ah, ok.

(4/21/2016 12:24:05 PM) pedro: but the mere fact that they're /there/ seems to be enough to tire me

(4/21/2016 12:24:06 PM) pedro: and today I'm c:

(4/21/2016 12:24:13 PM) Throne3d: woo!

(4/21/2016 12:25:23 PM) RoboticLIN [461d19b0@PSI-55571805.mibbit.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 12:25:29 PM) Throne3d: Welcome to the dark side

(4/21/2016 12:25:34 PM) Throne3d: Faceless had cookies earlier

(4/21/2016 12:25:41 PM) RoboticLIN: Cool.

(4/21/2016 12:28:24 PM) FacelessDude: I still do

(4/21/2016 12:28:59 PM) FacelessDude: I am tempted to eat them with ice cream

(4/21/2016 12:29:10 PM) Throne3d: Sounds like a good idea

(4/21/2016 12:29:39 PM) FacelessDude: actually... I didn't had açai earlier which is better than both

(4/21/2016 12:36:41 PM) FacelessDude: So, RoboticLin, what is up?

(4/21/2016 12:36:53 PM) RoboticLIN: Nothin', you?

(4/21/2016 12:37:04 PM) RoboticLIN: That is a suprisingly fast away timer on here :/

(4/21/2016 12:37:16 PM) FacelessDude: glowficcing, drinking my açai

(4/21/2016 12:37:22 PM) FacelessDude: timer...?

(4/21/2016 12:37:34 PM) RoboticLIN: Moving from 'chatting' to 'idlers'

(4/21/2016 12:39:32 PM) FacelessDude: huh

(4/21/2016 12:39:41 PM) FacelessDude: not sure how to help you with that :p

(4/21/2016 12:39:55 PM) RoboticLIN: It isn't a problem, it's just an observation XD

(4/21/2016 12:44:11 PM) Adelene: Throne3d: It might be fun to drop a depressed winged immortal on Lurker. ^^

(4/21/2016 12:45:14 PM) Adelene: ...er

(4/21/2016 12:45:25 PM) Adelene: that should have been at Faceless.

(4/21/2016 12:47:42 PM) rockeye: is back]

(4/21/2016 12:48:15 PM) FacelessDude: Adelene :D

(4/21/2016 12:52:33 PM) FacelessDude: I am actually curious how much Lurker could help.

(4/21/2016 12:53:02 PM) Adelene: I get the impression that being very thoroughly cuddled solves like... at least 30% of it? Maybe 40%.

(4/21/2016 12:54:40 PM) Adelene: She probably can't get him home, unless 'home' has some unusual trait that he can replicate for her and that her magic can pick up. Which I'm inclined to say no on, but I don't know the setting super well.

(4/21/2016 12:55:04 PM) FacelessDude: The problem is that Felix would isolated from everyone he ever knew.

(4/21/2016 12:55:20 PM) rockeye: Adelene, tag

(4/21/2016 12:55:28 PM) FacelessDude: huh, actually there is a big chance that she could if she can pick a place with pocket dimensions? Which he can demonstrate

(4/21/2016 12:56:29 PM) Adelene: Maybe.

(4/21/2016 12:59:47 PM) DanielH: Idea for summary: before starting a discussion, do a /topic

(4/21/2016 1:00:01 PM) DanielH has changed the topic to: Making summaries possible

(4/21/2016 1:00:09 PM) DanielH: Like that?

(4/21/2016 1:00:22 PM) Adelene: I'm not sure what problem that's meant to solve?

(4/21/2016 1:00:49 PM) DanielH: Now wen posting logs you can also search for topic changes

(4/21/2016 1:00:55 PM) DanielH: And then make summaries easy

(4/21/2016 1:01:00 PM) DanielH: For those who don’t want to read the full logs

(4/21/2016 1:01:04 PM) FacelessDude: Someone suggested doing summaries for the irc chat

(4/21/2016 1:01:08 PM) DanielH: (which is multiple people)

(4/21/2016 1:03:15 PM) ***rockeye has no objection to that but is not about to front the effort

(4/21/2016 1:03:36 PM) Throne3d: I am now back!

(4/21/2016 1:04:50 PM) FacelessDude: wibles

(4/21/2016 1:08:48 PM) Adelene: Faceless: I think what makes sense to me plotwise is for something about the pocket dimensions to let her narrow down the search space, to the point where trying a random place over and over again isn't completely ridiculous but he's still going to be around a while.

(4/21/2016 1:09:26 PM) FacelessDude: makes sense

(4/21/2016 1:09:37 PM) FacelessDude: and since even this tiny hope would improve things considerably

(4/21/2016 1:09:45 PM) Adelene: *nodnod*

(4/21/2016 1:09:58 PM) FacelessDude: We need to have Felix to surffer for a while thinking he will be lonely forever

(4/21/2016 1:10:16 PM) FacelessDude: And also, I did not expect to enjoy character suffering this much, like, really.

(4/21/2016 1:10:25 PM) Throne3d: Did I mention I have a dead Theo?

(4/21/2016 1:10:25 PM) Adelene: heh.

(4/21/2016 1:10:33 PM) Throne3d: I'm sad about the fact the storyline is frozen right now

(4/21/2016 1:10:39 PM) Throne3d: I want Everett to be sad about the dead Theo

(4/21/2016 1:10:59 PM) Throne3d: Pedro likes torturing Sadde, too

(4/21/2016 1:11:09 PM) Throne3d: It's not uncommon to like making your characters suffer =P

(4/21/2016 1:11:37 PM) pedro: I like torturing everyone, I'm an equal-opportunity sadistic author

(4/21/2016 1:11:44 PM) Throne3d: xD

(4/21/2016 1:12:22 PM) pedro: I also really enjoy creating horrible characters! I love seeing people hate Tobias.

(4/21/2016 1:12:30 PM) Throne3d: Gaaah

(4/21/2016 1:12:42 PM) Throne3d: My characters and I all wish to somehow remove all instances of Tobias

(4/21/2016 1:12:45 PM) Throne3d: can that please be a thing?

(4/21/2016 1:13:00 PM) Throne3d: ... okay, Rachel and Victoria don't wish that, but they're not even slightly awake

(4/21/2016 1:13:01 PM) FacelessDude: Me too

(4/21/2016 1:13:25 PM) FacelessDude: I want to send my characters to kill Tobias with a garrote

(4/21/2016 1:13:38 PM) Throne3d has changed the topic to: Ridding ourselves of Tobias

(4/21/2016 1:13:55 PM) RoboticLIN: What, is it time to pull a Heist-Movie assassination of Tobias? :P

(4/21/2016 1:13:59 PM) Throne3d: Yes.

(4/21/2016 1:14:04 PM) Throne3d: It has always been time.

(4/21/2016 1:14:09 PM) Throne3d: Literally even before he existed.

(4/21/2016 1:14:25 PM) Adelene: tag, rockeye

(4/21/2016 1:15:02 PM) FacelessDude: RoboticLin: <3

(4/21/2016 1:17:27 PM) FacelessDude: now I am curious what Pedro would do if Tobias was killed

(4/21/2016 1:17:35 PM) Throne3d: Cry about the lack of torture

(4/21/2016 1:17:40 PM) Throne3d: unless it was due to an apocalyptic event

(4/21/2016 1:17:48 PM) Throne3d: in which case yay, more potential torture

(4/21/2016 1:17:50 PM) RoboticLIN: Tobias v2.0

(4/21/2016 1:17:53 PM) Throne3d: (or so I predict)

(4/21/2016 1:20:18 PM) FacelessDude: Tobias' second wife marries the Jokerdad.

(4/21/2016 1:20:32 PM) Throne3d: aaaagh

(4/21/2016 1:20:32 PM) FacelessDude: That sounds like something Pedro would do

(4/21/2016 1:26:46 PM) FacelessDude: I... I... actually want that to happen >.>

(4/21/2016 1:27:56 PM) Adelene: In other news I'm really liking Blue and Green. ^^

(4/21/2016 1:28:33 PM) Adelene: I didn't /want/ more characters, but I apparently have them now, and the interesting world they come from.

(4/21/2016 1:28:57 PM) FacelessDude: who are them?

(4/21/2016 1:29:07 PM) Adelene: The AI characters from the *Mute thread.

(4/21/2016 1:29:17 PM) Adelene: Who didn't /exist/ before the *Mute thread.

(4/21/2016 1:30:32 PM) atheistcanuck [atheistcan@775D94DE.D6B4513.B06C5211.IP] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 1:30:47 PM) Throne3d: Welcome to the dark side!

(4/21/2016 1:30:53 PM) Throne3d: Okay, I have literally said that like four times.

(4/21/2016 1:30:53 PM) FacelessDude: I have cookies!

(4/21/2016 1:30:55 PM) Throne3d: It's getting old now

(4/21/2016 1:30:59 PM) atheistcanuck: Hi.

(4/21/2016 1:31:00 PM) Throne3d: Faceless indeed has cookies!

(4/21/2016 1:31:29 PM) Throne3d: I should sort out my dreamwidth accounts to have the right icon

(4/21/2016 1:31:38 PM) Throne3d: ... and name and birthdates, because they're also mismatched a bit

(4/21/2016 1:31:54 PM) Adelene: The world they come from, humans made AI, got up to the usual shenanigans, the AIs rebelled, there was a war, the AIs won. There are very strict rules against humans making AIs now, or modifying existing ones, or even knowing /how/ to do those things.

(4/21/2016 1:31:55 PM) FacelessDude: (Throne3d now that you started it is your honor bound obligation to continue)

(4/21/2016 1:31:57 PM) Throne3d: I am quite proud of the screen names I've come up with though

(4/21/2016 1:32:05 PM) Throne3d: agh, no!

(4/21/2016 1:32:25 PM) Throne3d: y'know what'd be fun

(4/21/2016 1:32:36 PM) Throne3d: if we had another IRC channel where we roleplayed our characters meeting on some weird IRC

(4/21/2016 1:32:40 PM) Throne3d: that'd be fun

(4/21/2016 1:32:43 PM) FacelessDude: so, Blue and Green, what they are like?

(4/21/2016 1:33:04 PM) Throne3d: I think we'd have to make it _very obviously special_ otherwise they'd discard everyone else as a liar

(4/21/2016 1:33:05 PM) FacelessDude: throne3d, maybe but not everyone's characters are compatible with that?

(4/21/2016 1:33:18 PM) Throne3d: well. maybe it's a weird textual IRC in people's heads.

(4/21/2016 1:33:20 PM) RoboticLIN: What is this thing you call internet?!

(4/21/2016 1:33:25 PM) Throne3d: and that's why it's considered special

(4/21/2016 1:33:33 PM) Throne3d: because it's literally a textual interface in their head

(4/21/2016 1:33:35 PM) Throne3d: who knows

(4/21/2016 1:33:48 PM) Throne3d: just a suggestion, because it'd let me wake my characters up a bit more to have more real-time interaction.

(4/21/2016 1:34:06 PM) FacelessDude: that sounds fair

(4/21/2016 1:34:18 PM) rockeye: tag, adelene

(4/21/2016 1:34:33 PM) rockeye: ug throne3d that's basically MWF

(4/21/2016 1:34:36 PM) rockeye: uh*

(4/21/2016 1:34:37 PM) Throne3d: ugh is it

(4/21/2016 1:34:40 PM) Throne3d: dammit

(4/21/2016 1:34:43 PM) pedro: the only reason I accept for tobias to die is if that causes more suffering in the long term

(4/21/2016 1:34:45 PM) Adelene: Blue is very shy, and... not a nerd, that involves too much social, but definitely a techy sort. Green is sort of a humanaboo, but classy.

(4/21/2016 1:34:49 PM) pedro: @tobias discussion

(4/21/2016 1:34:49 PM) rockeye: MWF is dead recently though, so.

(4/21/2016 1:34:52 PM) Throne3d: of course, pedro, of course

(4/21/2016 1:35:13 PM) Throne3d: Do you have a facecast for Tobias? I forget

(4/21/2016 1:35:19 PM) pedro: not yet

(4/21/2016 1:35:22 PM) pedro: i should get one shouldn't i

(4/21/2016 1:35:42 PM) Throne3d: I was wondering if he could also be some weird guy in the S9 for Slaughtered THeo

(4/21/2016 1:35:46 PM) Throne3d: cause then

(4/21/2016 1:35:48 PM) Throne3d: stuff

(4/21/2016 1:35:54 PM) pedro: nah tobias doesn't get powers

(4/21/2016 1:35:55 PM) pedro: any of them

(4/21/2016 1:35:57 PM) Throne3d: but it's probably not a templatey thing

(4/21/2016 1:35:58 PM) Throne3d: dammit

(4/21/2016 1:35:58 PM) pedro: no magic, nothing

(4/21/2016 1:36:16 PM) Throne3d: eh, I'd suggest slaughtered killing Tobias but that wouldn't cause later suffering

(4/21/2016 1:36:18 PM) Throne3d: it's very sad

(4/21/2016 1:36:44 PM) pedro: yeah

(4/21/2016 1:37:04 PM) pedro: there's one setting where tobias would get powers

(4/21/2016 1:37:05 PM) pedro: momentum

(4/21/2016 1:37:08 PM) Adelene: Lurker really wants to bite Tobias. Set 'em up just the right way and I could see her cooking up an *interesting* hex for him.

(4/21/2016 1:37:09 PM) Throne3d: and unfortunately you're too busy for us to develop that storyline right now, and I also _really want the new setting_ because that would be nice

(4/21/2016 1:37:48 PM) Throne3d: I hate to sound whiney, but. It'd be nice and Ev wants to show up and Rachel has opportunity and stuff.

(4/21/2016 1:38:06 PM) Throne3d: (wow, nice and vague, aren't I)

(4/21/2016 1:38:47 PM) atheistcanuck: Ade: Lurker is a good.

(4/21/2016 1:39:07 PM) Adelene: ^^

(4/21/2016 1:39:09 PM) FacelessDude: @adelene: lurker is a hero

(4/21/2016 1:39:16 PM) Adelene: *snicker*

(4/21/2016 1:39:29 PM) pedro: bbiab

(4/21/2016 1:39:52 PM) atheistcanuck: I think Lurker would consider biting Tobias the minimum requirement of decency.

(4/21/2016 1:41:41 PM) Adelene: For teleportation hexes you can do worse than 'teleport to the middle of a lake'. It means 1) you can only live as far from that lake as you can easily get to when you're teleported, and 2) you can't ever wear anything that can't get submerged in a lake.

(4/21/2016 1:41:51 PM) Adelene: And then get creative with the triggers from there. ^^

(4/21/2016 1:42:22 PM) Throne3d: "thinking about lakes"

(4/21/2016 1:42:23 PM) Adelene: ...wear or /carry/ anything that can't get submerged in a lake. Like electronics. Or paper.

(4/21/2016 1:42:26 PM) rockeye: one might drown if teleported to a lake while injued

(4/21/2016 1:42:42 PM) atheistcanuck: Or if they weren't a good swimmer.

(4/21/2016 1:42:51 PM) Throne3d: If this is still about Tobias: oh dear, such a shame.

(4/21/2016 1:42:56 PM) Adelene: indeed.

(4/21/2016 1:43:43 PM) atheistcanuck: ^^

(4/21/2016 1:48:48 PM) Adelene: *giggles* So Green informs me that the word for AI in his world is Intelligences.

(4/21/2016 1:49:44 PM) Adelene: Which is not /as/ rude as it sounds, there's not a huge compare and contrast thing going on with the humans, but it's still funny.

(4/21/2016 1:50:48 PM) FacelessDude: @Tobias conversation. Oh, no! Poor Tobias! Rest his soul

(4/21/2016 1:51:18 PM) Adelene: Brings a new meaning to "go jump in a lake" ^^

(4/21/2016 1:51:44 PM) atheistcanuck: though personally I think if you really want him to suffer you should find a method that keeps him alive.

(4/21/2016 1:52:15 PM) Adelene: The lake thing mostly does that? Depends on what she does for triggers, which depends on how mad she is.

(4/21/2016 1:53:06 PM) Adelene: Not that this is going to be a shining example of spell design in any case, I think. If she's calm enough for that she's /probably/ too calm to hex him.

(4/21/2016 1:53:23 PM) pedro: Is she?

(4/21/2016 1:53:29 PM) pedro: Sadde doesn't /want/ Tobias to die

(4/21/2016 1:53:32 PM) FacelessDude: I would suggest the trigger to be something we disapprove of Tobias doing, but since that would include breathing...

(4/21/2016 1:53:39 PM) pedro: but they don't care much if he suffers a bit

(4/21/2016 1:53:40 PM) Adelene: *snicker*

(4/21/2016 1:53:56 PM) atheistcanuck: Preaching homophobic bullshit?

(4/21/2016 1:54:10 PM) Adelene: If Lurker gets mad enough to hex Tobias she's probably not going to bother asking Sadde what they want.

(4/21/2016 1:54:18 PM) pedro: XD

(4/21/2016 1:54:23 PM) Adelene: ...what I bet she does is a specific word trigger.

(4/21/2016 1:54:34 PM) Adelene: So if he ever says that word he's teleported.

(4/21/2016 1:54:47 PM) Adelene: Which word depends on the situation that pisses her off.

(4/21/2016 1:54:48 PM) pedro: that'd be great

(4/21/2016 1:54:49 PM) FacelessDude: oooh, something transphobic, maybe?

(4/21/2016 1:54:54 PM) Adelene: likely, yup!

(4/21/2016 1:54:57 PM) pedro: he'd think he was cursed by the devil or w/e

(4/21/2016 1:54:58 PM) atheistcanuck: "Freak"?

(4/21/2016 1:55:02 PM) pedro: or perhaps that it's a test of his faith from god

(4/21/2016 1:55:13 PM) Adelene: yyyeah that sounds likely, atheistcanuck.

(4/21/2016 1:55:28 PM) pedro: that'd probably make him /redouble/ his efforts towards being a horrible person

(4/21/2016 1:55:32 PM) pedro: in ways that the curse doesn't get

(4/21/2016 1:55:55 PM) Adelene: 'hitting people' is a simple and obvious trigger, she can do more than one.

(4/21/2016 1:56:03 PM) pedro: he's pretty ingenious

(4/21/2016 1:56:07 PM) pedro: c:

(4/21/2016 1:56:12 PM) pedro: Sadde really appreciates Lurker rn

(4/21/2016 1:56:15 PM) Adelene: hee ^^

(4/21/2016 1:57:11 PM) atheistcanuck: I'd suggest "misgendering" but I'm not sure the spell trigger could pick that up? Especially with a genderfluid person?

(4/21/2016 1:57:33 PM) Adelene: 'intentional misgendering' it could, if she had the opportunity to observe it beforehand.

(4/21/2016 1:57:51 PM) Adelene: accidental it couldn't, honest belief that the person is a gender they're not it couldn't.

(4/21/2016 1:58:16 PM) pedro: i think the spell would be confused by that in tobias' case

(4/21/2016 1:58:28 PM) pedro: he's a weird mix of intentional and accidental

(4/21/2016 1:58:32 PM) Adelene: mmhmm

(4/21/2016 1:58:43 PM) pedro: like he knows a person /prefers/ being called one gender or another, but that doesn't change the fact that they're wrong about that

(4/21/2016 1:58:51 PM) pedro: the trans person that is

(4/21/2016 1:59:08 PM) Adelene: "I know this thing is going to upset this person and that's why I'm doing it" is a state a spell can pick up. And seems like a good one in general for this.

(4/21/2016 1:59:09 PM) pedro: "I know you /think/ you're a boy, but you're not."

(4/21/2016 1:59:25 PM) Throne3d: It just seems like he's a dick

(4/21/2016 1:59:25 PM) pedro: That'd pick up the beating, not the misgendering.

(4/21/2016 1:59:31 PM) pedro: He doesn't misgender people /to/ upset them.

(4/21/2016 1:59:39 PM) pedro: He misgenders people /in spite of/ knowing it upsets them.

(4/21/2016 1:59:52 PM) Adelene: *nod*

(4/21/2016 2:00:02 PM) Throne3d: Yeah, but if I went up to him and was adamant that he's female, or sub, or whatever, he'd presumably get that I'm doing it just to annoy him?

(4/21/2016 2:00:10 PM) Throne3d: or alternatively I'm wrong in the head

(4/21/2016 2:00:26 PM) Throne3d: it really does make me want to punch him, wow.

(4/21/2016 2:00:52 PM) atheistcanuck: Yeah.

(4/21/2016 2:00:55 PM) Adelene: Anyway, Lurker has a variety of options here. Actually Lurker being Lurker she might just dump him in a lake any time he uses gendered pronouns on /anybody/, that'd be fun. ^^

(4/21/2016 2:01:03 PM) Throne3d: xD

(4/21/2016 2:01:04 PM) pedro: LOL

(4/21/2016 2:01:06 PM) pedro: XD

(4/21/2016 2:01:17 PM) atheistcanuck: LOL

(4/21/2016 2:01:21 PM) RoboticLIN: Better grow some gills for that one XD

(4/21/2016 2:01:23 PM) Adelene: "solves the problem, doesn't it?"

(4/21/2016 2:01:36 PM) Adelene: ^^

(4/21/2016 2:01:38 PM) Throne3d: It would probably have to cover things like "girl" and "boy" else he could just

(4/21/2016 2:01:47 PM) Throne3d: say things like "Get back here now, boy!"

(4/21/2016 2:01:54 PM) Adelene: *nod*

(4/21/2016 2:02:00 PM) Throne3d: It would at least be annoying

(4/21/2016 2:02:03 PM) Throne3d: and so so satisfying

(4/21/2016 2:03:00 PM) RoboticLIN: And this turns into him referring people as "embreasted" or "packing testicles" and then we go on the euphemism relay.

(4/21/2016 2:03:31 PM) Throne3d: I mean, you could just tie it to "Thinking of people with a specific gender", and cause him to be stuck in the lake permanently?

(4/21/2016 2:03:35 PM) FacelessDude: better yet: He is teleported when he uses those terms too.

(4/21/2016 2:03:35 PM) Adelene: yyyeah that kinda sounds like mission accomplished to me, it's hard to get people to take you seriously when you're being that kind of weird.

(4/21/2016 2:03:40 PM) Throne3d: I don't much mind that happening

(4/21/2016 2:03:57 PM) atheistcanuck: I agree with Adelene on that.

(4/21/2016 2:04:06 PM) pedro: XD

(4/21/2016 2:04:11 PM) RoboticLIN: Yeeeeap comedy.

(4/21/2016 2:04:14 PM) pedro: Sadde: <3 <3 <3 <3 these people

(4/21/2016 2:04:14 PM) Adelene: Throne3d: that could happen but I think she'd notice that it'd be a constant thing while she was casting and decide not to.

(4/21/2016 2:04:16 PM) atheistcanuck: It would really really annoy him.

(4/21/2016 2:04:48 PM) FacelessDude: god

(4/21/2016 2:04:58 PM) pedro: @Throne3d: sonntag

(4/21/2016 2:04:59 PM) FacelessDude: I want this cursed Tobias being forced to testify in court

(4/21/2016 2:05:03 PM) Throne3d: It's sorta a shame, but it'd be satisfying enough just to have him need to resort to ridiculous phrases

(4/21/2016 2:05:06 PM) Adelene: heeeeeee

(4/21/2016 2:05:12 PM) Adelene: @faceless

(4/21/2016 2:05:18 PM) FacelessDude: xD

(4/21/2016 2:05:25 PM) atheistcanuck: XD

(4/21/2016 2:05:27 PM) pedro: I really really like how much everyone hates him <3

(4/21/2016 2:05:46 PM) atheistcanuck: He's exactly the kind of self-righteous bigot I despise.

(4/21/2016 2:05:49 PM) RoboticLIN: "Are you a boy or a girl" "Uh. Non-breasts."

(4/21/2016 2:05:57 PM) Throne3d: I feel like I'd enjoy having a detestable character too, but I think I would hate that portion of my head too much

(4/21/2016 2:06:03 PM) FacelessDude: @roboticlin xD HAhhahahaha

(4/21/2016 2:06:32 PM) RoboticLIN: "Please state the correct words." "I'm a fucking wizard you stupid wom--" ZAP.

(4/21/2016 2:06:46 PM) Adelene: heeee!

(4/21/2016 2:06:52 PM) pedro: <3 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

(4/21/2016 2:06:53 PM) atheistcanuck: heeeeeee

(4/21/2016 2:11:36 PM) pedro: @FacelessDude tag

(4/21/2016 2:16:34 PM) FacelessDude: @Pedro tag

(4/21/2016 2:19:51 PM) ***Adelene continues to go :3 about Green.

(4/21/2016 2:20:00 PM) Throne3d: @pedro sonn

(4/21/2016 2:20:30 PM) FacelessDude: Why "sonn"?

(4/21/2016 2:20:40 PM) Throne3d: Sunnyverse

(4/21/2016 2:20:41 PM) Throne3d: "Sonntag"

(4/21/2016 2:20:48 PM) Adelene: (This 'instrumental sounds as the primary form of body language' thing is pretty cool, I think.)

(4/21/2016 2:20:56 PM) Throne3d: also, book of the moon is now "Montag", because we failed to realize that joke before but it is a great joke

(4/21/2016 2:20:59 PM) FacelessDude: what?

(4/21/2016 2:21:11 PM) Throne3d: German days of the week?

(4/21/2016 2:21:17 PM) FacelessDude: Why not suntag?

(4/21/2016 2:21:19 PM) FacelessDude: ah

(4/21/2016 2:21:52 PM) Throne3d: alternatively it can be "Apri" and "Ker"

(4/21/2016 2:23:01 PM) FacelessDude: sonntag is also a day of week in german?

(4/21/2016 2:23:06 PM) Throne3d: Sunday

(4/21/2016 2:23:38 PM) Throne3d: Montag, Dienstag, Mittwoch, Donnerstag, Freitag, Samstag, Sonntag

(4/21/2016 2:24:20 PM) Throne3d: alternatively "Sonnabend" for Samstag, but that's apparently colloquial

(4/21/2016 2:24:46 PM) Throne3d: @FacelessDude tag

(4/21/2016 2:24:46 PM) FacelessDude: Mittwoch?

(4/21/2016 2:24:52 PM) Throne3d: Mid-week (Wednesday)

(4/21/2016 2:25:21 PM) FacelessDude: huh, now I am thinking about Wednesday Addams

(4/21/2016 2:25:25 PM) FacelessDude: in germany

(4/21/2016 2:26:03 PM) Throne3d: omg brant daugherty get off my tumblr feed

(4/21/2016 2:26:06 PM) Throne3d: I know you're hot, just go

(4/21/2016 2:26:22 PM) Throne3d: (for reference: http://dailybrantdaugherty.tumblr.com/post/143174445219 )

(4/21/2016 2:27:31 PM) atheistcanuck: I should catch up on that thread (sunnythread)

(4/21/2016 2:27:31 PM) pedro: ...you follow a tumblr called dailybrantdaugherty

(4/21/2016 2:27:33 PM) pedro: what did you /expect/

(4/21/2016 2:27:46 PM) Throne3d: I have no idea what you're talking about

(4/21/2016 2:27:58 PM) Throne3d: lemme follow the tag too

(4/21/2016 2:31:00 PM) Throne3d: ... does this count as a topic?

(4/21/2016 2:31:07 PM) Throne3d: The topic hasn't been updated in a while

(4/21/2016 2:35:17 PM) FacelessDude: lets talk about the hotties of Glowfic!

(4/21/2016 2:35:33 PM) FacelessDude: who else thinks that Kappa's facecast choices are unfairly pretty? Because I do.

(4/21/2016 2:35:45 PM) Throne3d: Sebastian Stan is very weird

(4/21/2016 2:35:46 PM) Throne3d: like

(4/21/2016 2:35:50 PM) Throne3d: uber 100% hot some of the time

(4/21/2016 2:35:56 PM) Throne3d: meh other times

(4/21/2016 2:36:25 PM) Throne3d: Admittedly, it's probably that /I'm/ weird, but whatever.

(4/21/2016 2:37:00 PM) pedro: personally i'm only a little bit less pansexual than saddes are

(4/21/2016 2:37:10 PM) pedro: so

(4/21/2016 2:37:49 PM) Throne3d: I am very much not pansexual. I'm pretty much gay with a side of gay, plus a bit of "some females are /really/ pretty" but that's it

(4/21/2016 2:38:13 PM) Throne3d: I also seem to be picky. <_<

(4/21/2016 2:38:30 PM) rockeye: I'm het. I was surprised when Gren decided to be bi, and more surprised when Mountain decided she liked Stalas, because I didn't think I could emulate anything non-het.

(4/21/2016 2:38:34 PM) FacelessDude: Sebastian Stan does have its weird moments, but gosh, there are times when you have to look away from so much hotness

(4/21/2016 2:38:54 PM) FacelessDude: huh, but Moutain and Stalas is het...?

(4/21/2016 2:39:00 PM) FacelessDude: oh, wait

(4/21/2016 2:39:18 PM) atheistcanuck: I'm acespectrum but not completely ace. I don't really have a word to describe my sexuality.

(4/21/2016 2:39:58 PM) Adelene: "Ace but if I wasn't ace I'd be interested in ladies, why, why, brain, why do you feel the need to inform me of these things"

(4/21/2016 2:40:00 PM) FacelessDude: atheistcanuck make one up, and flip the dictionary for not including you

(4/21/2016 2:40:01 PM) Throne3d: I think I'm okay writing a Theo who's into girls, but fortunately he tends to be on the more homosexual side of bi, sometimes totally homosexual.

(4/21/2016 2:40:23 PM) Throne3d has changed the topic to: Hot characters and sexualities

(4/21/2016 2:40:27 PM) FacelessDude: I sort want to try writing het and lesbians at some point

(4/21/2016 2:40:54 PM) Throne3d: I think I can just about have Theo kiss a girl and then after that I'm a bit like "can we just gloss over this? thx"

(4/21/2016 2:41:17 PM) Throne3d: No idea about Evs since they haven't done that sort of thing yet, though writing Eva with Fairy Nick is a little weird.

(4/21/2016 2:42:51 PM) pedro: i find it interesting how bisexual faceless' characters are, since he's pretty gay :P

(4/21/2016 2:43:08 PM) Throne3d: ... which characters in particular?

(4/21/2016 2:43:15 PM) Throne3d: I don't have much of a bidar.

(4/21/2016 2:43:33 PM) Throne3d: wait

(4/21/2016 2:43:44 PM) Throne3d: the individual characters, not the faces, duh, ignore me

(4/21/2016 2:43:47 PM) pedro: er

(4/21/2016 2:43:49 PM) pedro: yes

(4/21/2016 2:43:52 PM) pedro: XD

(4/21/2016 2:44:10 PM) Throne3d: I didn't realize his characters were particularly bi, okay?

(4/21/2016 2:44:18 PM) Throne3d: I haven't read that much of his stuff.

(4/21/2016 2:44:28 PM) FacelessDude: my only bi characters are Felix, Fenris, Henry often Temps...?

(4/21/2016 2:44:32 PM) Throne3d: It felt natural to just assume you meant the faces, especially since "faceless" came right after it

(4/21/2016 2:44:40 PM) FacelessDude: pfft xD

(4/21/2016 2:44:44 PM) pedro: yes but they're /very/ bisexual

(4/21/2016 2:46:30 PM) pedro: @FacelessDude tag

(4/21/2016 2:47:55 PM) FacelessDude: You mean that they are 50/50 on the attraction scale?

(4/21/2016 2:48:09 PM) pedro: @Throne3d sonn

(4/21/2016 2:48:11 PM) Throne3d: I think it's more that they're all hypersexual?

(4/21/2016 2:48:14 PM) pedro: ^

(4/21/2016 2:48:18 PM) Throne3d: I'm guessing they are

(4/21/2016 2:48:19 PM) pedro: not exactly hyper but

(4/21/2016 2:48:23 PM) pedro: they're bisexual and very sexual :P

(4/21/2016 2:48:26 PM) Throne3d: plus pedro always seems to use certain words for certain things

(4/21/2016 2:48:37 PM) Throne3d: and that is somehow a thing?

(4/21/2016 2:48:43 PM) pedro: like what?

(4/21/2016 2:48:47 PM) Throne3d: have you even said anything about someone being *very* sexuality before?

(4/21/2016 2:48:54 PM) pedro: um

(4/21/2016 2:48:58 PM) pedro: possibly about theo being very gay?

(4/21/2016 2:49:00 PM) Throne3d: I don't know, it just seemed weirdly... you-like that you meant supersexual and bi

(4/21/2016 2:49:05 PM) Throne3d: mmmaaaybe.

(4/21/2016 2:49:05 PM) pedro: XD

(4/21/2016 2:49:16 PM) FacelessDude: What makes you say that Fenris and Felix from Dreamshard are very sexual?

(4/21/2016 2:49:50 PM) Throne3d: @FacelessDude tag

(4/21/2016 2:50:00 PM) pedro: I don't think those in specific are very sexual

(4/21/2016 2:50:01 PM) rockeye: None of my characters are supersexual. Fairynick comes closest and he'll fly away from anything too unvanilla. Gren could be pretty sexual if the mental block is smashed but isn't by default.

(4/21/2016 2:50:07 PM) pedro: but their templates seem to be?

(4/21/2016 2:50:32 PM) FacelessDude: I still not sure what you mean...?

(4/21/2016 2:50:34 PM) Throne3d: Theo can totally be a one-night-stand guy, but I don't think he tends to be that.

(4/21/2016 2:50:39 PM) pedro: eh nevermind

(4/21/2016 2:50:42 PM) Throne3d: It's probably the faces, FacelessDude.

(4/21/2016 2:50:48 PM) FacelessDude: :(

(4/21/2016 2:50:48 PM) Throne3d: Gabe and Henry, c'mon, those faces.

(4/21/2016 2:50:52 PM) pedro: nnnno probably not the faces

(4/21/2016 2:51:08 PM) pedro: theo has a Face and yet I wouldn't call him very sexual

(4/21/2016 2:51:10 PM) FacelessDude: Oh, Gabe is hyper-homosexual with an extra helping of Gay

(4/21/2016 2:51:18 PM) Throne3d: omg, Theo's face is very

(4/21/2016 2:51:19 PM) Throne3d: face.

(4/21/2016 2:51:21 PM) pedro: The relationship between Saddes and sex is such that I am honestly considering that the peal-equivalent term for Saddes is an orgy :P

(4/21/2016 2:51:21 PM) FacelessDude: he actively refuses attempts to make him deeper.

(4/21/2016 2:51:39 PM) atheistcanuck: Ha.

(4/21/2016 2:51:44 PM) FacelessDude: Pedro, I am not surprised

(4/21/2016 2:52:07 PM) atheistcanuck: and now I'm imagining a Saddepile and a Jokerpile in the same room.

(4/21/2016 2:52:15 PM) pedro: yes

(4/21/2016 2:52:24 PM) Throne3d: I think the technical term is a "multi-template orgy".

(4/21/2016 2:52:25 PM) pedro: saddepiles and jokerpiles together are a thing that need to happen aaaand

(4/21/2016 2:52:28 PM) Throne3d: :P

(4/21/2016 2:52:36 PM) pedro: i think they'd be too nsfw for euphemisms

(4/21/2016 2:52:48 PM) Throne3d: that's interest you see, guys ^

(4/21/2016 2:52:56 PM) Throne3d left the room (quit: Connection reset by peer).

(4/21/2016 2:53:20 PM) pedro: (not that my euphemisms are the most euphemistic of euphemisms if i can help it but saddepile + jokerpile XD)

(4/21/2016 2:53:44 PM) rockeye: less euphemistic than usual euphemisms can be fun

(4/21/2016 2:54:26 PM) FacelessDude: I am thinking of a very non-euphemistic term for a sadde+joker pile and luckily it is a purely portuguese term, so I shall spare your poor innocent eyes.

(4/21/2016 2:54:50 PM) Throne3d [~Throne3d@PSI-4CC48545.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 2:54:59 PM) pedro: well now you have to tell me

(4/21/2016 2:55:03 PM) sonatagreen [~Sonata@PSI-B4560119.lisco.net] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 2:55:03 PM) mode (+qo sonatagreen sonatagreen) by ChanServ

(4/21/2016 2:55:05 PM) Throne3d: eugh, crashed

(4/21/2016 2:55:50 PM) atheistcanuck: lol

(4/21/2016 2:55:53 PM) pedro: wb

(4/21/2016 2:55:56 PM) Throne3d: thx

(4/21/2016 2:55:56 PM) pedro: and hi sg!

(4/21/2016 2:56:05 PM) Throne3d: Who's SG? I presume Lambda or someone?

(4/21/2016 2:56:14 PM) pedro: we were discussing how nsfw saddepiles + jokerpiles would be

(4/21/2016 2:56:56 PM) atheistcanuck: SG is lambda.

(4/21/2016 2:57:23 PM) FacelessDude: Lambda is SG

(4/21/2016 2:57:34 PM) Throne3d: But which way 'round is it?

(4/21/2016 2:57:38 PM) Throne3d: I will forever be in the dark

(4/21/2016 2:57:40 PM) sonatagreen left the room (quit: Connection reset by peer).

(4/21/2016 2:57:45 PM) Throne3d: ... not hi SG.

(4/21/2016 2:57:56 PM) FacelessDude: Oh, she left because we revealed her identity! :|

(4/21/2016 2:58:05 PM) Throne3d: how dare you *gasp*

(4/21/2016 2:58:18 PM) Throne3d: Anyway! The IRC seems to be taking off a bit.

(4/21/2016 2:58:19 PM) Throne3d: That's nice.

(4/21/2016 2:59:22 PM) pedro: yeah is fun i like

(4/21/2016 2:59:29 PM) Throne3d: +1

(4/21/2016 2:59:34 PM) atheistcanuck: :)

(4/21/2016 3:00:14 PM) sonatagreen [~Sonata@PSI-B4560119.lisco.net] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 3:00:14 PM) mode (+qo sonatagreen sonatagreen) by ChanServ

(4/21/2016 3:00:19 PM) FacelessDude: She returns!

(4/21/2016 3:00:25 PM) Throne3d: Hello!

(4/21/2016 3:00:26 PM) FacelessDude: Everyone pretend we don't know the truth!

(4/21/2016 3:00:33 PM) Throne3d: The truth about what?

(4/21/2016 3:00:34 PM) Throne3d: (Shh!)

(4/21/2016 3:00:37 PM) FacelessDude: Welcome to the dark side! I have cookies!

(4/21/2016 3:00:42 PM) Throne3d: He in fact does!

(4/21/2016 3:00:53 PM) atheistcanuck: (shhhhh)

(4/21/2016 3:00:56 PM) Throne3d: Also they're better than my weird British not-cookies, because they're not-cookies.

(4/21/2016 3:01:15 PM) Throne3d: (well, they're cookies, but they're not /cookies/)

(4/21/2016 3:01:20 PM) sonatagreen: Apparently this was a good idea! Hello, several people.

(4/21/2016 3:01:23 PM) Throne3d: and wow, I really do talk too much.

(4/21/2016 3:01:46 PM) pedro: @FacelessDude tag

(4/21/2016 3:01:46 PM) FacelessDude: What is the problem with Throne3d not cookies?

(4/21/2016 3:02:33 PM) atheistcanuck: they're weird and British apparently.

(4/21/2016 3:02:41 PM) Throne3d: That I'm British, they're these: https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/348877/mcvities-chocolate-digestives.jpg and I call them "biscuits"

(4/21/2016 3:02:52 PM) pedro: @sonatagreen: yes good idea!

(4/21/2016 3:02:59 PM) Throne3d: Because they are "chocolate digestives"

(4/21/2016 3:03:10 PM) Throne3d: hey, pedro, I had this a while ago but I was worried about it removing content from the forums

(4/21/2016 3:03:29 PM) Throne3d: admittedly, it was a stupid worry

(4/21/2016 3:03:31 PM) Throne3d: but still!

(4/21/2016 3:04:27 PM) pedro: idk if it was stupid

(4/21/2016 3:04:34 PM) pedro: has anyone accepted the daunting task of summarising this?

(4/21/2016 3:04:46 PM) Throne3d: Oh, plus, recap since Lambda hasn't been around: Brant Daugherty is hot, FacelessDude's characters are "very bi", a Saddepeal is perhaps an "orgy", and I have some new non-instantiated characters named "Rachel" and "Victoria".

(4/21/2016 3:05:02 PM) FacelessDude: Correction!

(4/21/2016 3:05:09 PM) Throne3d: Oh, sorry

(4/21/2016 3:05:13 PM) Throne3d: "very bi except Gabe who is very gay"

(4/21/2016 3:05:20 PM) FacelessDude: yes!

(4/21/2016 3:05:22 PM) Throne3d: better?

(4/21/2016 3:05:26 PM) Throne3d: :P

(4/21/2016 3:06:17 PM) pedro: and a Saddepile + a Jokerpile would be so nsfw they'd burn the screen of anyone who dared open a thread with that

(4/21/2016 3:06:27 PM) Throne3d: @pedro sonn

(4/21/2016 3:07:11 PM) Throne3d: oh, also, "Sonn" and "Mon" are Pedro and my tag-names for our continuities, because it's funny.

(4/21/2016 3:07:13 PM) Throne3d: Sonntag, Montag.

(4/21/2016 3:08:11 PM) Throne3d: (Sonn for the Buffyverse one, "Apricum", and Mon for the Cardverse one, "Book of the Moon")

(4/21/2016 3:09:14 PM) Throne3d: @FacelessDude tag

(4/21/2016 3:10:18 PM) FacelessDude: There is a portuguese word for that, but I am not sharing it.

(4/21/2016 3:10:57 PM) Throne3d: I can't think of a proper English word for it

(4/21/2016 3:11:04 PM) Throne3d: I feel like I'm failing as an anglophone.

(4/21/2016 3:11:07 PM) FacelessDude: I wonder if anyone ever had a "stag" also what other terms there is to make "tag" puns?

(4/21/2016 3:11:19 PM) rockeye: A Nickpeal would be a guild.

(4/21/2016 3:11:24 PM) Throne3d: Theo on the prowl: a stag

(4/21/2016 3:11:32 PM) Throne3d: ... is that a thing I could write?

(4/21/2016 3:11:36 PM) Throne3d: It indeed is!

(4/21/2016 3:11:49 PM) rockeye: theo on the prowl for nsfw?

(4/21/2016 3:11:53 PM) Throne3d: duh

(4/21/2016 3:11:56 PM) rockeye: A grenpeal maybe a squad or platoon of grens

(4/21/2016 3:12:47 PM) pedro: @Throne3d sonn

(4/21/2016 3:12:51 PM) Throne3d: I don't know about Theos or Evs. Pedro and I sorta suggested "articles" or "grammars" for Theos (The) and I thought "fricatives" because of the 'th' and the 'v', but that's kinda borin

(4/21/2016 3:12:52 PM) Throne3d: g

(4/21/2016 3:13:21 PM) Throne3d: @rockeye tag

(4/21/2016 3:13:33 PM) pedro: @FacelessDude tag

(4/21/2016 3:14:37 PM) FacelessDude: rockeye, what about steel?

(4/21/2016 3:15:33 PM) FacelessDude: I doubt that I will ever have the chance to peal anything

(4/21/2016 3:15:44 PM) Throne3d: I'd like to peal

(4/21/2016 3:15:51 PM) Throne3d: I feel like Theos are a little too boring, sadly

(4/21/2016 3:15:56 PM) Throne3d: I might have to traumatize some more

(4/21/2016 3:16:26 PM) FacelessDude: They need to be more proactive

(4/21/2016 3:16:32 PM) Throne3d: They don't like it!

(4/21/2016 3:16:45 PM) Throne3d: They want to sit in a nice protective world with nothing mean around them and just live a peaceful life

(4/21/2016 3:17:05 PM) Throne3d:  /Goalie/ is better about it but that requires trauma

(4/21/2016 3:17:08 PM) pedro: who would want to do /that/

(4/21/2016 3:17:14 PM) Throne3d: Theos would

(4/21/2016 3:17:21 PM) Throne3d: Theas kinda would but they think they'd get bored

(4/21/2016 3:17:37 PM) rockeye: what about her?

(4/21/2016 3:17:38 PM) Throne3d: Evas want that, but only so that they can form huge hierarchies of busy-bees

(4/21/2016 3:17:45 PM) Throne3d: about who?

(4/21/2016 3:19:47 PM) Throne3d: @rockeye tag

(4/21/2016 3:20:59 PM) Throne3d: @pedro sonn

(4/21/2016 3:21:12 PM) rockeye: tag

(4/21/2016 3:21:22 PM) Throne3d: at me?

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(4/21/2016 3:23:26 PM) Throne3d: @rockeye tag

(4/21/2016 3:24:13 PM) mr_evil [bd5256a7@PSI-55571805.mibbit.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 3:24:19 PM) Throne3d: Hello!

(4/21/2016 3:24:31 PM) Throne3d: I would say welcome to the dark side, but based on your name you already seem to have found it.

(4/21/2016 3:24:34 PM) atheistcanuck: Faceless is that you?

(4/21/2016 3:24:37 PM) mr_evil is now known as FacelessEvil

(4/21/2016 3:24:40 PM) rockeye: tag

(4/21/2016 3:24:47 PM) FacelessEvil: It was me all along!

(4/21/2016 3:24:48 PM) pedro: @throne3d sonn

(4/21/2016 3:24:52 PM) FacelessEvil: What did I miss?

(4/21/2016 3:24:52 PM) Throne3d: impossible!

(4/21/2016 3:25:01 PM) Throne3d: I tagged rockeye but then he tagged me

(4/21/2016 3:25:08 PM) Throne3d: that's it

(4/21/2016 3:25:37 PM) Throne3d: @FacelessEvil tag

(4/21/2016 3:26:06 PM) Throne3d: @rockeye tag

(4/21/2016 3:28:21 PM) Throne3d: @pedro sonn

(4/21/2016 3:29:07 PM) rockeye: @throne tag

(4/21/2016 3:30:08 PM) Throne3d: @rockeye tag

(4/21/2016 3:30:22 PM) FacelessEvil: Are we still talking about hot characters and sexualities?

(4/21/2016 3:30:29 PM) Throne3d: nnnot really

(4/21/2016 3:30:35 PM) Throne3d: we /can/, though?

(4/21/2016 3:30:38 PM) FacelessEvil: Lets get back to that then!

(4/21/2016 3:30:57 PM) Throne3d: Rick Malambri! (Everett's face-cast) is also pretty hot!

(4/21/2016 3:30:58 PM) FacelessEvil: Rockeye, is Steel even remotely romantic/sexual?

(4/21/2016 3:31:07 PM) FacelessEvil: He is!

(4/21/2016 3:31:17 PM) Throne3d: I have some pretty good face-casts.

(4/21/2016 3:32:34 PM) FacelessEvil:  I like my: Avan Jogia, Rami Malek, Toby Sebastian, Kellan Lutz (mostly because he is sooo perfect for Gabe), Corbin Blue

(4/21/2016 3:32:44 PM) Throne3d: Kellan Lutz is pretty good, gotta say

(4/21/2016 3:33:40 PM) pedro: I'm not terribly Avan Jogia, Corbin Blue is cute, the other three are hawt

(4/21/2016 3:34:36 PM) FacelessEvil: I find this avan jogia icon so pretty http://vast-journey-9935.herokuapp.com/icons/262 *__*

(4/21/2016 3:34:37 PM) Throne3d: More in-depth: Avan, nah. Rami, kinda. Toby, kiiinda varying between hot and not so much. Corbin, meh.

(4/21/2016 3:34:45 PM) Throne3d: mmnah

(4/21/2016 3:35:08 PM) FacelessEvil: Throne3d that is because you need get your eyesight checked. No other possible explanation.

(4/21/2016 3:35:15 PM) Throne3d: xD

(4/21/2016 3:35:18 PM) pedro: @throne3d sonn

(4/21/2016 3:35:37 PM) pedro: rami is adorable, and rami shirtless is <3

(4/21/2016 3:36:01 PM) Throne3d: Brant Daugherty is way hotter

(4/21/2016 3:36:17 PM) Throne3d: Gotta say, Eva's face-cast (Odette? I think?) is pretty attractive

(4/21/2016 3:37:19 PM) Throne3d: Yeah, "Odette Yustman".

(4/21/2016 3:37:28 PM) pedro: @FacelessEvil tag

(4/21/2016 3:39:54 PM) Throne3d: @pedro sonn

(4/21/2016 3:41:03 PM) FacelessEvil: @pedro tag

(4/21/2016 3:41:37 PM) FacelessEvil: Brant Daugherty is hot, but in away that doesn't appeal that much for my tastes? Everett is hotter

(4/21/2016 3:41:44 PM) Throne3d: u cray

(4/21/2016 3:42:03 PM) FacelessEvil: No! you cray!

(4/21/2016 3:42:09 PM) Throne3d: https://vast-journey-9935.herokuapp.com/icons/7019 https://vast-journey-9935.herokuapp.com/icons/5928 https://vast-journey-9935.herokuapp.com/icons/5931

(4/21/2016 3:42:10 PM) Throne3d: tyvm

(4/21/2016 3:42:42 PM) Throne3d: and these: https://vast-journey-9935.herokuapp.com/icons/6982 https://vast-journey-9935.herokuapp.com/icons/5951 https://vast-journey-9935.herokuapp.com/icons/7031 https://vast-journey-9935.herokuapp.com/icons/5932

(4/21/2016 3:42:51 PM) Throne3d: the evidence is against you

(4/21/2016 3:43:16 PM) Throne3d: Theo's dad is pretty hot too: https://vast-journey-9935.herokuapp.com/galleries/548 https://vast-journey-9935.herokuapp.com/galleries/549

(4/21/2016 3:43:34 PM) Throne3d: Ooh! character icons on dreamwidth, need to go do that

(4/21/2016 3:45:28 PM) FacelessEvil: @Throne3d tag

(4/21/2016 3:46:55 PM) FacelessEvil: fun fact, once me and another glowficcer would tag by swapping a word with "tag" in the lyrics. We got through "don't stop believing" and "safety dance" that way.

(4/21/2016 3:47:37 PM) atheistcanuck: lol

(4/21/2016 3:48:13 PM) FacelessEvil: "It's safe to tag!"

(4/21/2016 3:48:56 PM) ***Teceler finishes reading through the backscroll

(4/21/2016 3:49:07 PM) Throne3d: Katy Perry is pretty attractive too, gotta say

(4/21/2016 3:49:17 PM) Throne3d: I kinda wish she weren't a celebrity so I could make her a character

(4/21/2016 3:49:24 PM) Throne3d: she seems too well-known to make into one

(4/21/2016 3:49:29 PM) Throne3d: Also, hello Teceler!

(4/21/2016 3:49:39 PM) FacelessEvil: huh, that sounds weird to me, but okay.

(4/21/2016 3:49:53 PM) Teceler: hi

(4/21/2016 3:50:31 PM) Throne3d: @FacelessEvil tag

(4/21/2016 3:53:07 PM) FacelessEvil: @throne3d about william being hot. I still say we should hook him up with some guy.

(4/21/2016 3:53:21 PM) Throne3d: I still don't think he's particularly bi, but maybe

(4/21/2016 3:53:58 PM) atheistcanuck: William is cute.

(4/21/2016 3:54:12 PM) Throne3d: I like my face-casts!

(4/21/2016 3:54:17 PM) Throne3d: They really seem to fit the characters

(4/21/2016 3:54:26 PM) atheistcanuck: you have good facecasts.

(4/21/2016 3:54:31 PM) Throne3d: Thank you!

(4/21/2016 3:55:10 PM) pedro: one of the next scenes in apricum will be Sadde telling Theo that his dad is daddy

(4/21/2016 3:55:20 PM) Throne3d: Theo will be very creeped

(4/21/2016 3:55:38 PM) pedro: almost exclusively for the reaction XD

(4/21/2016 3:55:51 PM) atheistcanuck: XD

(4/21/2016 3:56:09 PM) Throne3d: Theo is not particularly happy about this

(4/21/2016 3:56:10 PM) Throne3d: :P

(4/21/2016 3:56:14 PM) FacelessEvil: @throne3d tag (woah, easy on the pressure Henry)

(4/21/2016 3:56:54 PM) FacelessEvil: @pedro that is why I love Sadde <3

(4/21/2016 3:57:40 PM) Throne3d: @FacelessEvil tag

(4/21/2016 3:57:45 PM) Throne3d: Everett decided to butt in

(4/21/2016 3:58:14 PM) Throne3d: "Hiya" is a very weird thing for an Everett to say

(4/21/2016 3:58:20 PM) Throne3d: I have no idea why he said it

(4/21/2016 3:58:31 PM) pedro: @throne3d sonn

(4/21/2016 3:59:04 PM) pedro: @facelessevil tag

(4/21/2016 3:59:12 PM) pedro: as soon as browser stops stalling

(4/21/2016 4:01:46 PM) Throne3d: @pedro sonn

(4/21/2016 4:02:55 PM) Teceler: ...Cassiel are you remotely done yelling at lintamande's version of the Valar in my head yet?

(4/21/2016 4:03:57 PM) FacelessEvil: @throne3d tag

(4/21/2016 4:04:12 PM) FacelessEvil: teceler, why cassiel isyellling?

(4/21/2016 4:05:16 PM) atheistcanuck: I mean lintamande's version of the Valar seem to be kind of slightly terrible....

(4/21/2016 4:05:30 PM) Teceler: Cassiel has very strong opinions about gods. Especially ones who don't even succeed at being decent to the people they are godding at (deliberately or otherwise)

(4/21/2016 4:05:30 PM) DanielH: I don’t know LotR, but I’m guessing because lintamande’s Valar are unfit to rule.

(4/21/2016 4:05:35 PM) atheistcanuck: not that I know anything about the canon versions.

(4/21/2016 4:05:45 PM) Throne3d: I have now updated my dreamwidth characters to have the proper icons

(4/21/2016 4:05:47 PM) Throne3d: and names

(4/21/2016 4:05:58 PM) Throne3d: ... proper _default_ icons, that is. I can't be bothered to do the others.

(4/21/2016 4:06:13 PM) Teceler: how terrible the Valar are depends on how you interpret various stuff, basically

(4/21/2016 4:09:14 PM) Throne3d: @FacelessEvil tag

(4/21/2016 4:09:39 PM) rockeye left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).

(4/21/2016 4:09:42 PM) Throne3d: Everett: not acting as I expected

(4/21/2016 4:09:50 PM) Throne3d: eh, oh well

(4/21/2016 4:10:11 PM) Throne3d has changed the topic to: Miscellaneous stuff and assorted tags

(4/21/2016 4:10:39 PM) Teceler: but, like, also, Cassiel, I think I have run across a grand total of one god he has not been inclined to yell at at least some, including the few in his original universe he's actually on speaking terms with. (Raezenoth, if anyone's curious)

(4/21/2016 4:14:32 PM) FacelessEvil is now known as FacingAway

(4/21/2016 4:16:32 PM) Throne3d: Brant Daugherty's voice tho: http://dailybrantdaugherty.tumblr.com/post/143173709434/interview-with-relationship-status-series-stars

(4/21/2016 4:16:48 PM) DanielH: Yeah, Rae is great, but even he has some flaws I don’t want in gods.

(4/21/2016 4:18:02 PM) DanielH: What about Maggie’s version of the Abrahamic god?

(4/21/2016 4:18:13 PM) atheistcanuck: I'm not sure Rae is the optimal god I would pick if I had my pick of gods but he's basically a good.

(4/21/2016 4:19:51 PM) DanielH: He’s a bit too willing to leave mortals he doesn’t like to die, and he doesn’t seem as fair as he likes to think

(4/21/2016 4:19:58 PM) DanielH: Maybe he only plays favorites with his acolyte

(4/21/2016 4:20:39 PM) Throne3d: I mean, he at least tries to help people who try to help themselves

(4/21/2016 4:20:42 PM) Throne3d: instead of sending them to die

(4/21/2016 4:20:56 PM) Throne3d: but ugh, no, he's not my favorite god

(4/21/2016 4:23:02 PM) Teceler: I do not secondarily /agree/ with all of Cassiel's assessment, here, and some of it is strongly flavoured by the mess that his setting is

(4/21/2016 4:23:07 PM) Teceler: er

(4/21/2016 4:23:13 PM) Teceler: *necessarily

(4/21/2016 4:23:56 PM) DanielH: I’m still curious about his assessments of the various competent Glowficcy gods

(4/21/2016 4:24:20 PM) FacingAway is now known as FacelessDude

(4/21/2016 4:24:28 PM) Throne3d: wb

(4/21/2016 4:24:35 PM) FacelessDude: terrible news, the cookies are gone. Good news, they are made into Milkshake

(4/21/2016 4:24:37 PM) Teceler: (also, re: Maggie's version of the Abrahamic god, he has not produced much yelling but says that he doesn't know enough for that to be a good assessment)

(4/21/2016 4:24:54 PM) Teceler: I hope you are enjoying the milkshake?

(4/21/2016 4:25:05 PM) FacelessDude: yup!

(4/21/2016 4:25:11 PM) ***Teceler pokes at Cassiel's assessement of Rae

(4/21/2016 4:25:18 PM) Throne3d: how dare you!

(4/21/2016 4:25:29 PM) Throne3d: what did the cookies ever do to deserve milkshake-ing?

(4/21/2016 4:25:32 PM) FacelessDude: It is a banana-cookies-napolitan shake

(4/21/2016 4:25:37 PM) Throne3d: oh

(4/21/2016 4:25:40 PM) Throne3d: that's okay then

(4/21/2016 4:25:40 PM) FacelessDude: they are delicious

(4/21/2016 4:25:43 PM) Teceler: pft

(4/21/2016 4:26:44 PM) DanielH: That’s all right. Dreamwidth still has cookies for anybody who wants them.

(4/21/2016 4:26:51 PM) Throne3d: woo.

(4/21/2016 4:26:59 PM) Throne3d: so does the constellation, in limited number

(4/21/2016 4:27:05 PM) Throne3d: I believe.

(4/21/2016 4:27:30 PM) Throne3d: okay, ugh, American is so difficult to write

(4/21/2016 4:27:42 PM) Throne3d: things like "q-tip" and "faucet" and whatever else

(4/21/2016 4:27:55 PM) DanielH: instead of ? and tap?

(4/21/2016 4:27:56 PM) Throne3d: who even /remembers/ that it's a q-tip and not a "cotton bud"

(4/21/2016 4:27:59 PM) Throne3d: cotton bud.

(4/21/2016 4:28:02 PM) Throne3d: and yes, tap

(4/21/2016 4:28:51 PM) Throne3d: pants, cookies, trunk, whatever the front of a car is called 'cause I'm pretty sure it's not a bonnet oh it's a hood, pants, pantyhose, whatever other words there are

(4/21/2016 4:29:06 PM) pedro: iiiiii am going home now

(4/21/2016 4:29:08 PM) Throne3d: already said pants

(4/21/2016 4:29:08 PM) pedro: baaaaai~

(4/21/2016 4:29:11 PM) Throne3d: Bye!

(4/21/2016 4:29:11 PM) Teceler: okay, he considers doing favors (that don't harm anyone else) for mortals (I am getting some grumpiness over this term but not enough to go hunt for a better one) that they have a personal relationship with a tolerable, if not preferable, trait in gods.

(4/21/2016 4:29:13 PM) DanielH: I think q-tip is technically a brand name, but it’s becoming genericized

(4/21/2016 4:29:15 PM) Throne3d: (trousers, biscuits, boot, bonnet, thong, etc.)

(4/21/2016 4:29:16 PM) pedro left the room.

(4/21/2016 4:29:28 PM) Throne3d: we have "Hoover" for vacuum cleaner

(4/21/2016 4:29:34 PM) Throne3d: I think that's a British thing?

(4/21/2016 4:29:43 PM) Teceler: Throne3d: there's probably a dictionary of these things around somewhere

(4/21/2016 4:29:47 PM) Throne3d: You guys also have things like "Kleenex"

(4/21/2016 4:29:50 PM) Throne3d: yeah, probably

(4/21/2016 4:30:12 PM) Throne3d: I'm good at remembering 'realize' now that I've noticed how often I use it, and things like 'color' and 'favorite' and whatever

(4/21/2016 4:30:12 PM) DanielH: I’ve heard Hoover, but it’s old fashioned here

(4/21/2016 4:30:23 PM) FacelessDude: @throne3d tag

(4/21/2016 4:30:24 PM) Throne3d: I also apparently use some American slang? I can't think of any examples

(4/21/2016 4:30:35 PM) Throne3d: my use of "like" is like a Californian thing, since we have that over here too

(4/21/2016 4:30:49 PM) Throne3d: "I was, like, doing this, and then um, like, he was like, 'no shit!' and I was like 'yeah, duh!'"

(4/21/2016 4:31:25 PM) Throne3d: Theos often do that. Evas (not so much Everetts) too.

(4/21/2016 4:31:44 PM) DanielH: Teceler, what about the other mostly-good gods from that setting? Perinixu, Tisvetaia, Kirovalin?

(4/21/2016 4:32:03 PM) DanielH: I don’t think we’ve seen enough of Joker, Libby, or Miles gods to produce much comment.

(4/21/2016 4:32:04 PM) Throne3d: I didn't realize until I used it in "Book of the Moon" that 'snogging' is a British phrase. I wrote it and I was like 'I'm pretty sure I've never seen this written in an American story'.

(4/21/2016 4:32:23 PM) Teceler: and the only mortals iirc we have seen Rae being /actively hostile/ towards are slavers, on the subject of which Cassiel is inclined to /pretty strongly agree/

(4/21/2016 4:33:45 PM) DanielH: My favorite example of somebody failing to translate dialects is in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

(4/21/2016 4:33:56 PM) Throne3d: Oh?

(4/21/2016 4:33:57 PM) DanielH: In which Filch was tasked with punting students across the swamp

(4/21/2016 4:34:10 PM) Throne3d: ... isn't that kicking?

(4/21/2016 4:34:11 PM) DanielH: And I did not know why he seemed upset with this task

(4/21/2016 4:34:18 PM) DanielH: It’s also a type of boat

(4/21/2016 4:34:29 PM) DanielH: I thought that was failing to catch a Britishism

(4/21/2016 4:34:35 PM) DanielH: But apparently not?

(4/21/2016 4:34:39 PM) Throne3d: I have literally only ever heard the word "punting" in the context of "toe punt" in soccer

(4/21/2016 4:34:43 PM) Throne3d: (soccer is another word)

(4/21/2016 4:34:54 PM) Throne3d: waaait, maybe another context

(4/21/2016 4:35:00 PM) DanielH: Punting exists in both types of football, and that’s also the only place I’d heard it.

(4/21/2016 4:35:30 PM) Teceler: Perinixu imposes her aesthetic preferences on her subjects pretty heavily, Kirovalin and Miles-god (I'd have to dig up their name, it is not immediately occurring to me) are much too interventionist but otherwise unobjectionable, and I would have to reread Tisvetaia to give you an answer there

(4/21/2016 4:35:34 PM) Throne3d: mm, nope, I've never heard of it in the context of boats.

(4/21/2016 4:35:46 PM) Throne3d: I was gonna say maybe golf?

(4/21/2016 4:36:44 PM) FacelessDude: Teceler, Tisvetaia is a good.

(4/21/2016 4:36:51 PM) FacelessDude: An extra good.

(4/21/2016 4:37:14 PM) Teceler: I remember that! What I don't remember is if she had traits Cassiel would object to!

(4/21/2016 4:37:35 PM) Adelene: Tisvetaia is the one who goes around pretending to be a mortal and giving people extra years of life.

(4/21/2016 4:37:39 PM) DanielH: Tisvetaia’s biggest intervention is increasing any of her subjects’ lifespan by 10 years on request.

(4/21/2016 4:37:43 PM) Teceler: (this does not necessarily correspond, as you may have observed there)

(4/21/2016 4:37:53 PM) DanielH: Also curing them of most diseases via her acolytes

(4/21/2016 4:38:42 PM) Adelene: We might someday have a Tisvet/Arabek Dusk box, btw.

(4/21/2016 4:38:59 PM) Adelene: Aestrix and I think that that might be cute. ^^

(4/21/2016 4:39:06 PM) Teceler: ...that sounds interesting!

(4/21/2016 4:39:09 PM) DanielH: That sounds cool

(4/21/2016 4:39:17 PM) FacelessDude: Fenris has a major crush on Tisveteia and Yvettes in general

(4/21/2016 4:39:23 PM) Throne3d: I also have an absolutely pitiful American accent, partially because I have no idea where I'd be trying to emulate.

(4/21/2016 4:39:32 PM) Throne3d: Theos would probably like Yvettes, but I doubt it'd be mutual

(4/21/2016 4:39:43 PM) Throne3d: she'd probably like the fact they're not actively getting in the way, but that's about it

(4/21/2016 4:39:48 PM) FacelessDude has changed the topic to: Glowfic and Gods

(4/21/2016 4:40:28 PM) Throne3d: ... what the hell is a "slimmer truck"? Is that an actual phrase in American?

(4/21/2016 4:40:46 PM) FacelessDude: I second that? is that an actual thing?

(4/21/2016 4:41:00 PM) Adelene: Ask Google, but if it is I've never heard of it.

(4/21/2016 4:41:08 PM) Throne3d: It says it's a "lorry", but I really don't know that it's actually a thing.

(4/21/2016 4:41:09 PM) DanielH: I have not heard of that but I wouldn’t be surprised if it appeared in some subcultures

(4/21/2016 4:41:11 PM) Teceler: (Rae's interventionism is the subject of grumbling, but not yelling, mostly because of the styling. ...I think there's a philosophical thing there about dependence on gods there even if he actually manages to suspend the reasons he is particularly yelly about divine intervention from his own world (which he is somewhat bad at). Particularly if it's deliberate or exploited)

(4/21/2016 4:41:15 PM) Throne3d: I mean, I know what a lorry is

(4/21/2016 4:41:34 PM) FacelessDude: Throne3d what is so special about Brant's accent?

(4/21/2016 4:41:47 PM) Throne3d: ... maybe it just means a slimmer truck, as in a truck that is slimmer?

(4/21/2016 4:41:59 PM) Throne3d: but lorries are pretty huge so idk

(4/21/2016 4:42:25 PM) Throne3d: Brant's accent is not particularly special? I was just saying "his voice tho"

(4/21/2016 4:42:28 PM) Throne3d: Pedro agrees: "bedroom voice".

(4/21/2016 4:42:30 PM) FacelessDude: ah

(4/21/2016 4:42:36 PM) not [827eaed7@PSI-FB7F191F.mibbit.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 4:42:42 PM) Throne3d: Hello, not!

(4/21/2016 4:42:43 PM) not: .....

(4/21/2016 4:42:47 PM) Throne3d: That is a very descriptive username you have there.

(4/21/2016 4:42:55 PM) not:  "not *Mute" is apparently invalid

(4/21/2016 4:42:57 PM) not is now known as rockeye

(4/21/2016 4:43:00 PM) FacelessDude: We no longer have cookies! Welcome to the darkside!

(4/21/2016 4:43:01 PM) FacelessDude: ah

(4/21/2016 4:43:02 PM) Teceler: pft

(4/21/2016 4:43:05 PM) Throne3d: just do not!mute or something

(4/21/2016 4:43:11 PM) Throne3d: wait, ! probably isn't allowed

(4/21/2016 4:43:16 PM) Throne3d: nnope

(4/21/2016 4:43:21 PM) rockeye: I think it doesn't like the* but the * is important

(4/21/2016 4:43:24 PM) Teceler: I was about to suggest how to re-nick

(4/21/2016 4:43:29 PM) Throne3d is now known as not

(4/21/2016 4:43:38 PM) not is now known as Throne3d

(4/21/2016 4:43:44 PM) Throne3d: Spaces aren't allowed, pretty sure

(4/21/2016 4:43:52 PM) DanielH: I think the “neutral” American accent is mostly Midwestern.

(4/21/2016 4:44:07 PM) Throne3d: Why are your speech marks special?

(4/21/2016 4:44:21 PM) Throne3d: Is it your keyboard or your client? It's interesting.

(4/21/2016 4:44:21 PM) FacelessDude: @throne3d I am listening to the clip... I still haven't found the bedroom voice in his voices.

(4/21/2016 4:44:26 PM) DanielH: I’ve gotten into the habit of using Unicode open and close quotes

(4/21/2016 4:44:32 PM) DanielH: And apostrophes

(4/21/2016 4:44:32 PM) Throne3d: He sounds kinda camp but in a somewhat hot way, FacelessDude

(4/21/2016 4:44:36 PM) Throne3d: Oh, okay.

(4/21/2016 4:44:37 PM) DanielH: They’re relatively easy to type on Linux

(4/21/2016 4:44:43 PM) Throne3d: I use en and em dashes

(4/21/2016 4:44:55 PM) Throne3d: and I'm now using proper ellipses and sometimes non-breaking spaces

(4/21/2016 4:45:05 PM) DanielH: The asterisk also isn’t allowed

(4/21/2016 4:45:07 PM) Throne3d: (not in IRC, because I don't know how ellipses turn out)

(4/21/2016 4:45:08 PM) Throne3d: … stuff

(4/21/2016 4:45:08 PM) Teceler: DanielH: why? (why have you gotten into that habit, I mean)

(4/21/2016 4:45:11 PM) Throne3d: Okay, that looks weird

(4/21/2016 4:46:17 PM) DanielH: Because they look nicer in a lot of contexts. I can try to stop in IRC if it doesn’t work for some people

(4/21/2016 4:47:06 PM) Teceler: ah

(4/21/2016 4:47:08 PM) Teceler: I am weird and prefer to use simple punctuation marks but have gone to the effort of setting up my keyboard so I can do diacritics easily

(4/21/2016 4:47:23 PM) Throne3d: ugh, another thing: apparently in British we sometimes use collective nouns as plurals. e.g. "the committee were unable to agree"

(4/21/2016 4:47:26 PM) Throne3d: that sounds kinda weird to me

(4/21/2016 4:47:37 PM) DanielH: I use n- and m- dashes, and proper ellipses when not using a fixed-width font, and the quotes

(4/21/2016 4:47:39 PM) Throne3d: I can do lots of characters nicely via WinCompose

(4/21/2016 4:48:07 PM) rockeye: I just self-nerd-sniped, I'll be over here doing calculus about moons bye

(4/21/2016 4:48:09 PM) Throne3d: "×" is useful for typing out formulae so it's not confused with "x"

(4/21/2016 4:48:10 PM) DanielH: Yeah, I turned the compose key on too. Same basic idea

(4/21/2016 4:48:16 PM) Throne3d: they look identical here, wow

(4/21/2016 4:48:27 PM) Teceler: ...enjoy your calculus rockeye?

(4/21/2016 4:48:28 PM) DanielH: Not in my font

(4/21/2016 4:48:29 PM) Throne3d: "x×x"

(4/21/2016 4:48:32 PM) Throne3d: not quite, I guess

(4/21/2016 4:48:49 PM) Throne3d: Oh, I'm using Consolas, how did I not consider that people were on different clients

(4/21/2016 4:48:50 PM) Throne3d: *facepalm*

(4/21/2016 4:48:53 PM) DanielH: 3x² + 2x + 2×3

(4/21/2016 4:48:58 PM) Teceler: (rockeye: incidentally the fact that I am currently reading an LP of those games is entirely your fault :P)

(4/21/2016 4:49:00 PM) rockeye: Trying to decide whether a binary moon system will possibly work WITHOUT looking it up

(4/21/2016 4:49:01 PM) Throne3d: Yeah, that sort of thing is nice

(4/21/2016 4:49:43 PM) DanielH: Do you mean binary moon with no actual planet, or a planet with two moons?

(4/21/2016 4:49:56 PM) Teceler: ...okay my guess is 'that depends on how long you want to work for' :P

(4/21/2016 4:49:58 PM) Throne3d: I assume no actual planet?

(4/21/2016 4:50:24 PM) rockeye: it's not a moon if it doesn't have a planet

(4/21/2016 4:50:31 PM) Throne3d: isn't it?

(4/21/2016 4:50:34 PM) rockeye: nmo

(4/21/2016 4:50:42 PM) Throne3d: I thought if they orbited each other they'd maybe be satellites of each other

(4/21/2016 4:50:45 PM) Throne3d: I don't know the proper definitions

(4/21/2016 4:51:07 PM) rockeye: that'd be a binary planet

(4/21/2016 4:51:09 PM) FacelessDude has changed the topic to: Throne3d is british

(4/21/2016 4:51:17 PM) rockeye: I am imagining  O                           o o

(4/21/2016 4:51:17 PM) DanielH: Why would it not work to have one planet with two moons?

(4/21/2016 4:51:17 PM) Throne3d: surely if it's too small it wouldn't be?

(4/21/2016 4:51:23 PM) DanielH: Ah

(4/21/2016 4:51:49 PM) ***rockeye is skeptical of throne3d's britishness for some reason

(4/21/2016 4:51:58 PM) Throne3d: ... I guess if it's too small they're orbiting each other

(4/21/2016 4:52:07 PM) Throne3d: is it because I keep using "realize" and "color" and stuff?

(4/21/2016 4:52:23 PM) rockeye: idk

(4/21/2016 4:52:25 PM) Throne3d: xD

(4/21/2016 4:52:34 PM) rockeye: brains: are not self-comprehending

(4/21/2016 4:52:41 PM) Throne3d: "pants" literally means underwear for me

(4/21/2016 4:52:42 PM) Throne3d: it's weird

(4/21/2016 4:52:52 PM) FacelessDude: Rockeye, Throne3d britishes is a widely reported and documented fact accepted by all scholars that specialize in the subject.

(4/21/2016 4:52:52 PM) Throne3d: alternatively "rubbish" but that's kinda archaic

(4/21/2016 4:53:00 PM) Throne3d: ... "rubbish" as in "bad", not as in general waste

(4/21/2016 4:54:54 PM) FacelessDude: We can change the topic to "Orbital Speculations" if we go back to that conversation

(4/21/2016 4:55:02 PM) Teceler: pft

(4/21/2016 4:55:25 PM) Throne3d: @FacelessDude, tag

(4/21/2016 4:55:26 PM) FacelessDude: or we could combine them both and make it so "British and Orbital Speculations", that sounds more versatile

(4/21/2016 4:55:28 PM) Teceler: rockeye, what you're looking at is a planet with two moons? possibly interacting with each other in a particular way?

(4/21/2016 4:55:46 PM) Throne3d: Speculations about British?

(4/21/2016 4:55:52 PM) rockeye: my calculus says 'no'

(4/21/2016 4:56:01 PM) Throne3d: I mean, I guess casting doubt on my British-ness is kinda a speculation

(4/21/2016 4:56:02 PM) DanielH: Does Mars not have that? Or are they too small to count?

(4/21/2016 4:56:09 PM) DanielH: Sounds good

(4/21/2016 4:56:18 PM) DanielH has changed the topic to: British and Orbital

(4/21/2016 4:56:25 PM) DanielH: Erm

(4/21/2016 4:56:27 PM) Teceler: oh, yeah, the size of the moons relative to the planet would matter

(4/21/2016 4:56:29 PM) DanielH has changed the topic to: British and Orbital Speculations

(4/21/2016 4:56:34 PM) Throne3d: Why do I seem to think "brain" with "Orbital"?

(4/21/2016 4:56:40 PM) Throne3d: Is that a thing?

(4/21/2016 4:56:45 PM) rockeye: that sizable binary moons would work and be stable with not-ridiculous distances of orbits involved.

(4/21/2016 4:56:58 PM) Teceler: hm

(4/21/2016 4:57:01 PM) Throne3d: The Orbit. Of course it is.

(4/21/2016 4:57:09 PM) Teceler: even for a gas giant?

(4/21/2016 4:57:12 PM) Throne3d: "The cavity or socket of the skull in which the eye and its appendages are situated."

(4/21/2016 4:57:21 PM) rockeye: To get the ratio of moons' orbits around each others small enough

(4/21/2016 4:57:24 PM) Throne3d: I hope no-one minds that I keep talking tangentially to you all

(4/21/2016 4:57:35 PM) Teceler: ah

(4/21/2016 4:57:42 PM) rockeye: they'd be in each others shwarzchild radii and turn into a blorg of hot shredded rock

(4/21/2016 4:57:49 PM) Teceler: which is bad

(4/21/2016 4:57:59 PM) Teceler: well

(4/21/2016 4:58:03 PM) Teceler: unless that's what you want

(4/21/2016 4:58:03 PM) rockeye: er

(4/21/2016 4:58:07 PM) Teceler: but generally it's bad

(4/21/2016 4:58:08 PM) rockeye: not schqarzchild

(4/21/2016 4:58:10 PM) rockeye: what was the word

(4/21/2016 4:58:20 PM) FacelessDude: Throne3d, I think the orbital is a path to the brain?

(4/21/2016 4:58:21 PM) DanielH: I was worried about that. That seemed more like them turning into black holes

(4/21/2016 4:58:47 PM) rockeye: the radius where tidal forces are greater than the moons' internal gravitational forces.

(4/21/2016 4:58:48 PM) FacelessDude: who is schqarz and what is up with their child?

(4/21/2016 4:59:21 PM) Throne3d: You guys call it a "Xerox machine"?

(4/21/2016 4:59:25 PM) Throne3d: Huh.

(4/21/2016 4:59:32 PM) atheistcanuck: I'm guessing it's soembody with the surname Schquarzchild.

(4/21/2016 4:59:34 PM) DanielH: I don’t. I say copy machine. Most people do.

(4/21/2016 4:59:45 PM) Throne3d: "Copy machine" is also not what we say.

(4/21/2016 4:59:48 PM) Teceler: or 'copier'

(4/21/2016 4:59:50 PM) Throne3d: "Photocopier"

(4/21/2016 4:59:50 PM) DanielH: But Xerox used to be one of the largest manufacturer

(4/21/2016 5:00:01 PM) DanielH: And is often the verb

(4/21/2016 5:00:08 PM) Teceler: I actually hear the xerox thing more as a verb. ('xeroxing' something)

(4/21/2016 5:00:09 PM) Teceler: yeah that

(4/21/2016 5:00:15 PM) rockeye: plus the slight difference in tidal forces depending on which moon is closer to the planet at the time will add up to one of the moons going away or crashing into the other or the planet eventually.

(4/21/2016 5:00:22 PM) Throne3d: You also don't have the word "barmy"? Admittedly we don't use it that often, but.

(4/21/2016 5:00:27 PM) Throne3d: eh.

(4/21/2016 5:00:48 PM) rockeye: I remembered a british military thing

(4/21/2016 5:00:51 PM) atheistcanuck: Yeah Xerox is the verb, photocopier is the noun

(4/21/2016 5:00:59 PM) Throne3d: It's just "photocopy".

(4/21/2016 5:01:15 PM) Throne3d: "I'll go get a copy of this." "I'll go photocopy this." "I'll go put this through the photocopier."

(4/21/2016 5:01:25 PM) rockeye: That UK armored vehicles all have a BV, which is just a teapot set into the wall.

(4/21/2016 5:01:30 PM) Throne3d: seriously?

(4/21/2016 5:01:35 PM) Throne3d: I hope you're joking

(4/21/2016 5:01:40 PM) DanielH: Nope

(4/21/2016 5:01:42 PM) DanielH: It’s true

(4/21/2016 5:01:58 PM) Throne3d: I looked for "BV" and all I got was an NHS page about "Bacterial vaginosis"

(4/21/2016 5:02:02 PM) Throne3d: um, not helpful, ty.

(4/21/2016 5:02:02 PM) rockeye: It sounds like it might be an urban legend

(4/21/2016 5:02:06 PM) FacelessDude: What is Barmy ?

(4/21/2016 5:02:09 PM) DanielH: I don’t remember the acronym

(4/21/2016 5:02:11 PM) Throne3d: barmy just means crazy

(4/21/2016 5:02:11 PM) DanielH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWmDHO_0P5Q

(4/21/2016 5:02:12 PM) rockeye: might have more luck with 'boiling vessel'

(4/21/2016 5:02:15 PM) FacelessDude: (and yay the topic is relevant!)

(4/21/2016 5:02:24 PM) Throne3d: wtf

(4/21/2016 5:02:28 PM) rockeye: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_vessel

(4/21/2016 5:02:31 PM) Throne3d: I have no clue

(4/21/2016 5:03:13 PM) Throne3d: That's just ridiculous

(4/21/2016 5:03:21 PM) DanielH: You apparently have better plugs, except that they always fall so that the prongs are facing up

(4/21/2016 5:03:31 PM) Throne3d: also, "barmy" is often just used as hyperbole. I don't think it's ever actually used to mean that people are legitimately crazy.

(4/21/2016 5:03:39 PM) Throne3d: We do have good plugs! But yes, they are heavy in the socket bit

(4/21/2016 5:03:40 PM) atheistcanuck: Brits and their tea.

(4/21/2016 5:03:56 PM) rockeye: It costs pennies compared to the tank itself I guess

(4/21/2016 5:03:57 PM) Throne3d: I think we have fuses in the plug itself and it has a ground prong?

(4/21/2016 5:04:15 PM) Throne3d: And apparently American plugs don't have a ground prong, so they're more dangerous?

(4/21/2016 5:04:15 PM) rockeye: I've also heard that british libel law is terrifyingly (to journalists) strict.

(4/21/2016 5:04:21 PM) Throne3d: (also, do you seriously call them plugs?)

(4/21/2016 5:04:22 PM) DanielH: Yep

(4/21/2016 5:04:27 PM) DanielH: We do have ground prongs usually

(4/21/2016 5:04:30 PM) Throne3d: (We do too, but it doesn't sound American)

(4/21/2016 5:04:33 PM) DanielH: But they are not required

(4/21/2016 5:04:35 PM) Teceler: actually the ground prong varies

(4/21/2016 5:04:36 PM) Teceler: yeah that

(4/21/2016 5:04:37 PM) Throne3d: Oh, huh.

(4/21/2016 5:04:49 PM) Throne3d: I have no idea about libel law

(4/21/2016 5:04:53 PM) rockeye: Yeah things that don't have the ground prong are seen as unsafe

(4/21/2016 5:04:59 PM) Throne3d: As far as I know it's "if it's true, you can get away with it"

(4/21/2016 5:05:06 PM) rockeye: almost all buildings newer tahn like 30 years ago have the third hold

(4/21/2016 5:05:06 PM) DanielH: What do you call them? I am not sure what the standard word is because my dad’s an electrician

(4/21/2016 5:05:14 PM) Throne3d: We do call them plugs, yeah

(4/21/2016 5:05:21 PM) Throne3d: I just thought it was a British word

(4/21/2016 5:05:31 PM) atheistcanuck: Nope.

(4/21/2016 5:05:34 PM) rockeye: I call them outlets and power cords.

(4/21/2016 5:05:42 PM) Throne3d: Outlet sounds way more American

(4/21/2016 5:05:58 PM) DanielH: Outlet is what the plug goes into

(4/21/2016 5:06:07 PM) Throne3d: They're "mains sockets" if you mean the thing in the wall

(4/21/2016 5:06:09 PM) atheistcanuck: Or socket.

(4/21/2016 5:06:12 PM) Throne3d: and "plugs" that go into them

(4/21/2016 5:06:23 PM) DanielH: We do use socket too, but not as much.

(4/21/2016 5:06:34 PM) Throne3d: like, you plug a device "into the mains" (mains' electricity, I think?)

(4/21/2016 5:06:35 PM) DanielH: And sometimes the thing in the wall is a plug too, just because.

(4/21/2016 5:06:42 PM) FacelessDude: @throne3d tag

(4/21/2016 5:06:42 PM) DanielH: Plug is also the standard verb.

(4/21/2016 5:06:54 PM) DanielH: I just plug my devices into the wall.

(4/21/2016 5:06:55 PM) Teceler: 'into the mains' is not a phrase I've heard here

(4/21/2016 5:06:56 PM) atheistcanuck: "socket" might be more common in Canada than in the US

(4/21/2016 5:06:58 PM) Throne3d: (I don't know what "mains" means, but it's not "main's", I don't think)

(4/21/2016 5:07:14 PM) atheistcanuck: I've never heard "into the mains"

(4/21/2016 5:08:18 PM) Throne3d: Is "I beg your pardon" a phrase you guys use?

(4/21/2016 5:08:21 PM) DanielH: Wikipedia: “Mains electricity is the general-purpose alternating-current (AC) electric power supply.”

(4/21/2016 5:08:22 PM) Throne3d: It sounds really British to me

(4/21/2016 5:08:39 PM) DanielH: It sounds British to me.

(4/21/2016 5:08:41 PM) rockeye: at least near me it's more like "excuse me?"

(4/21/2016 5:08:45 PM) Throne3d: I mean, it's kinda weirdly posh and you can say it as a joke

(4/21/2016 5:08:52 PM) Throne3d: but yeah, "Excuse me?"

(4/21/2016 5:09:02 PM) DanielH: Excuse me, sometimes pardon me

(4/21/2016 5:09:10 PM) Throne3d: If someone says something surprising, you might (being posh / a bit weird) say "I beg your pardon?"

(4/21/2016 5:09:39 PM) Throne3d: Just "Pardon?" or "Excuse me?" or "Sorry?" (or "Huh?" or "What?") works though

(4/21/2016 5:09:42 PM) DanielH: Usually that’s more “What?” here

(4/21/2016 5:09:49 PM) Throne3d: ... not "you what mate", because that's kinda. um.

(4/21/2016 5:09:59 PM) Throne3d: I want to say "chavvy", but I think that's a British term and also kinda rude.

(4/21/2016 5:09:59 PM) atheistcanuck: Or "Excuse me!"

(4/21/2016 5:10:02 PM) rockeye: cliche''?

(4/21/2016 5:10:09 PM) Throne3d: Kiiinda.

(4/21/2016 5:10:14 PM) atheistcanuck: Yeah Chavvy is a British term I think.

(4/21/2016 5:10:19 PM) Throne3d: But with a very typical associated stereotypical group

(4/21/2016 5:10:31 PM) Throne3d: People say "Chav" 'stands for' "Council Housed and Violent".

(4/21/2016 5:10:37 PM) rockeye: is 'chavvy' analogous to 'ebonics'

(4/21/2016 5:10:41 PM) Throne3d: (I don't think it actually does, but it gives you the idea.)

(4/21/2016 5:10:50 PM) Throne3d: It's not black

(4/21/2016 5:10:58 PM) Throne3d: It's like... white guys with piercings and jewellery

(4/21/2016 5:11:02 PM) Throne3d: (jewelry?)

(4/21/2016 5:11:03 PM) DanielH: I have litterally never heard the word “chavvy” before.

(4/21/2016 5:11:13 PM) atheistcanuck: We would say "White trash" I think?

(4/21/2016 5:11:19 PM) Throne3d: chav: "a young lower-class person typified by brash and loutish behaviour and the wearing of (real or imitation) designer clothes."

(4/21/2016 5:11:25 PM) rockeye: I would have gone with "rednecks"

(4/21/2016 5:11:29 PM) rockeye: but that's wrong

(4/21/2016 5:11:29 PM) Throne3d: "British informal derogatory noun"

(4/21/2016 5:11:30 PM) Throne3d: oops.

(4/21/2016 5:11:46 PM) Throne3d: But people definitely know what you mean

(4/21/2016 5:12:03 PM) Throne3d: if we're doing insults, though, "pikey" is in a similar vein but less used and maybe a bit ruder?

(4/21/2016 5:12:19 PM) Throne3d: ... and it's not quite what I thought it meant: "a Gypsy or Traveller."

(4/21/2016 5:13:16 PM) Throne3d: ... do you guys even have "Travellers"? (I think "gypsy" is racist... or something...?)

(4/21/2016 5:13:29 PM) Throne3d: @FacelessDude tag

(4/21/2016 5:14:04 PM) atheistcanuck: Um no I don't think so.

(4/21/2016 5:14:38 PM) Throne3d: As in. People who are stereotypically in caravans, from Eastern Europe, and who don't pay taxes? (That is the racist stereotype.)

(4/21/2016 5:14:51 PM) Throne3d: They also have pugnacious kids who fit into the 'chav' sub-group? (Again, racist stereotype.)

(4/21/2016 5:16:06 PM) Throne3d: I'll take that as a no and stop being so blatantly Britishly snobbish

(4/21/2016 5:16:10 PM) Adelene: The concept of gypsies is a thing here but the stereotypes are completely different.

(4/21/2016 5:16:30 PM) Throne3d: I am also part Welsh.

(4/21/2016 5:16:31 PM) FacelessDude has changed the topic to: British complex class and race issues and stereotypes

(4/21/2016 5:16:33 PM) atheistcanuck: and I don't think any actually live in North America.

(4/21/2016 5:16:42 PM) Throne3d: half Welsh, that is.

(4/21/2016 5:16:55 PM) Throne3d: For some reason there is a stereotype that Welsh people are, quote, "Sheep shaggers", unquote.

(4/21/2016 5:17:02 PM) Throne3d: There's another word that I think is British: "shag".

(4/21/2016 5:17:15 PM) FacelessDude: For some reason I parsed that as "shakers"

(4/21/2016 5:17:20 PM) atheistcanuck: Yeah that's also British.

(4/21/2016 5:17:36 PM) FacelessDude: I will prefer to still parse as that, because "sheep shakers" is funnier and nicer

(4/21/2016 5:17:37 PM) Throne3d: Do you guys have, uh, an awareness of what it means? Or is it obscure?

(4/21/2016 5:18:02 PM) atheistcanuck: Well it was used in the title of an Austin Powers movie so..

(4/21/2016 5:18:04 PM) rockeye: shag is british, yes.

(4/21/2016 5:18:13 PM) rockeye: "gypsy" conjures up stereotypes of wandering circus/rogues/theives/general layabouts to me

(4/21/2016 5:18:24 PM) Teceler: I know what it means, but I'm pretty sure it's British

(4/21/2016 5:18:28 PM) Throne3d: Yeah, basically the same for me @ rockeye

(4/21/2016 5:18:45 PM) atheistcanuck: and also...occult stuff for some reason.

(4/21/2016 5:18:51 PM) Throne3d: but with a side of "camp in fields that they don't have rights to and don't pay money to the government or anything"

(4/21/2016 5:18:58 PM) Throne3d: yeah, that too, but less so in the UK I think?

(4/21/2016 5:19:39 PM) Throne3d: I mean, we don't use the phrase "Ouija board", I don't think, but I think they're associated with? And palm fortune telling and stuff.

(4/21/2016 5:19:51 PM) Throne3d: I think they're associated with things like that*

(4/21/2016 5:19:53 PM) FacelessDude: @throne3d tag

(4/21/2016 5:20:07 PM) Throne3d: anyway, such fun. I don't like my accent though.

(4/21/2016 5:20:14 PM) Throne3d: It's kinda RP with a side of "camp".

(4/21/2016 5:20:53 PM) FacelessDude: When I think of gipsy stereotypes I think of the gypsy npc from sims

(4/21/2016 5:21:33 PM) atheistcanuck: Yay Sims!

(4/21/2016 5:21:35 PM) FacelessDude: http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Gypsy_matchmaker

(4/21/2016 5:21:45 PM) FacelessDude: atheistcanuck! sims! :D

(4/21/2016 5:21:52 PM) Throne3d: @FacelessDude, tag

(4/21/2016 5:29:59 PM) RoboticLIN left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).

(4/21/2016 5:30:04 PM) FacelessDude: @throne3d tag

(4/21/2016 5:34:41 PM) Throne3d: @FacelessDude, tag

(4/21/2016 5:36:35 PM) Throne3d: @FacelessDude, re-tag

(4/21/2016 5:45:18 PM) FacelessDude: throne3d tag

(4/21/2016 5:45:38 PM) pedro [b12d89c2@PSI-D1FE54AC.mibbit.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 5:45:42 PM) pedro: I have returned~

(4/21/2016 5:45:49 PM) pedro: ooh that's an interesting topic

(4/21/2016 5:45:57 PM) pedro: but everyone's silent aren't they

(4/21/2016 5:46:09 PM) Teceler: the discussion trailed off some

(4/21/2016 5:46:18 PM) Teceler: (I can toss you logs if you want?)

(4/21/2016 5:49:23 PM) FacelessDude: what is the current topic again?

(4/21/2016 5:50:35 PM) DanielH: British complex class and race issues and stereoypes

(4/21/2016 5:50:41 PM) DanielH: Which was the last thing we talked about

(4/21/2016 5:51:08 PM) DanielH: But that ended at [hour]:21

(4/21/2016 5:52:22 PM) pedro: eh

(4/21/2016 5:52:25 PM) pedro: lazy

(4/21/2016 5:53:46 PM) FacelessDude has changed the topic to: no longer British complex class and race issues and stereoypes

(4/21/2016 5:54:09 PM) Daniel [~DanielH@PSI-139A8394.st.hmc.edu] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 5:54:10 PM) DanielHLaptop [~DanielH@PSI-139A8394.st.hmc.edu] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 5:54:32 PM) DanielH: Why did I just join twice? I meant to just join once when I switched to a new client

(4/21/2016 5:54:38 PM) DanielH left the room (quit: Quit: leaving).

(4/21/2016 5:54:52 PM) DanielHLaptop is now known as DanielH

(4/21/2016 5:54:54 PM) Teceler: computers are weird

(4/21/2016 5:55:24 PM) FacelessDude: they are devil magic!

(4/21/2016 5:55:43 PM) DanielH left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving).

(4/21/2016 5:55:51 PM) Daniel is now known as DanielH

(4/21/2016 5:55:57 PM) DanielH: Ah, that’s the problem.

(4/21/2016 5:56:21 PM) DanielH: I accidentally said psigenix.org, not .net

(4/21/2016 5:56:44 PM) Teceler: ...ah

(4/21/2016 5:56:56 PM) DanielH: And then when I fixed it and said connect again I connected with the old connection which I fixed as well as a new one

(4/21/2016 5:57:42 PM) FacelessDude: http://curiosity-discoverer-of-worlds.tumblr.com/post/143186681246/gifsboom-baby-armadillo BABY ARMADILLO!

(4/21/2016 6:05:22 PM) Throne3d: Yes, the conversation did die

(4/21/2016 6:05:44 PM) Throne3d: I spoke about chavs, "pikes", gypsies, and other things like that

(4/21/2016 6:05:51 PM) Throne3d: turns out Britain is /kinda/ racist

(4/21/2016 6:06:04 PM) Teceler: it can join the club with pretty much every country ever

(4/21/2016 6:06:06 PM) FacelessDude: what is a pike?

(4/21/2016 6:06:12 PM) Throne3d: pikey, rather

(4/21/2016 6:06:18 PM) Throne3d: not pike. that's a fish, I think

(4/21/2016 6:06:26 PM) DanielH: Yes

(4/21/2016 6:06:33 PM) Throne3d: pikey is like... a rude word for the equivalent of "white trash"

(4/21/2016 6:06:43 PM) Throne3d: except it's mainly focused on Gypsies

(4/21/2016 6:07:08 PM) pedro: "kinda"?

(4/21/2016 6:07:13 PM) Throne3d: which is a potentially-racist word for "travellers", who are typically Eastern European people who 'tend' to live in caravans, not pay taxes, and stuff like that

(4/21/2016 6:07:20 PM) Throne3d: kinda indeed.

(4/21/2016 6:07:37 PM) Throne3d: I say 'tend' because I mean it's the stereotypical racist view of them

(4/21/2016 6:08:00 PM) Throne3d: it's not wholly inaccurate, I believe, but it is legitimately racist anyway

(4/21/2016 6:08:28 PM) Throne3d: ... wow I still speak a lot

(4/21/2016 6:08:39 PM) Throne3d: can other people please start talking more so it looks like I write less overall?

(4/21/2016 6:08:47 PM) Teceler: okay

(4/21/2016 6:08:57 PM) Throne3d: this is usually okay in PMs because... well, it's usually okay with Pedro, because Pedro happens to be good at responding.

(4/21/2016 6:08:57 PM) Teceler: I am currently really wanting to give Findek?no a hug

(4/21/2016 6:09:03 PM) Throne3d: Findek?no ?

(4/21/2016 6:09:57 PM) Throne3d: Okay, "in a bit of a pickle" is a British thing too, right?

(4/21/2016 6:09:59 PM) Teceler: 'a' with a accent

(4/21/2016 6:10:22 PM) Teceler: and I am switching around with the names again you might make slighlty more sense of that if I said 'Fingon' (or possibly not)

(4/21/2016 6:10:23 PM) Throne3d: it means you're in a. bad situation where you're in trouble?

(4/21/2016 6:10:32 PM) Throne3d: like, if someone comes to attack you and they happen to be a vampire

(4/21/2016 6:10:49 PM) Throne3d: "in a bit of a pickle" would be an underestimate of how bad your situation is, for somewhat humorous effect

(4/21/2016 6:11:07 PM) Throne3d: fgs, it sounds so British it almost certain is, ugh

(4/21/2016 6:11:09 PM) Adelene: "in a bit of a jam" is I think the American equivalent.

(4/21/2016 6:11:16 PM) DanielH: Findekáno

(4/21/2016 6:11:22 PM) DanielH: I hear pickle more than jam

(4/21/2016 6:11:27 PM) rockeye: is back

(4/21/2016 6:11:31 PM) Throne3d: wb

(4/21/2016 6:11:36 PM) Teceler: wb

(4/21/2016 6:11:42 PM) Throne3d: how about "buck"?

(4/21/2016 6:11:43 PM) Throne3d: as in

(4/21/2016 6:11:54 PM) Throne3d: you move up and down to try to flip someone off you who's holding you down

(4/21/2016 6:12:14 PM) Throne3d: that's just a generic English word, right?

(4/21/2016 6:12:18 PM) Teceler: ...I've heard that in relation to like, horses...

(4/21/2016 6:12:20 PM) DanielH: AFAIK it is, yes

(4/21/2016 6:12:55 PM) Teceler: DanielH: yes, that's what I said

(4/21/2016 6:12:58 PM) Throne3d: Oh fgs are you serious

(4/21/2016 6:13:01 PM) Throne3d: "headbutt" is British?

(4/21/2016 6:13:06 PM) Throne3d: what's the bloody American equivalent

(4/21/2016 6:13:06 PM) Teceler: ...it is?

(4/21/2016 6:13:16 PM) Throne3d: Google says so!

(4/21/2016 6:13:17 PM) DanielH: It didn’t show up right for me or Throne3d

(4/21/2016 6:13:28 PM) Teceler: unicode is weird

(4/21/2016 6:13:32 PM) Throne3d: what DanielH used showed up properly

(4/21/2016 6:13:34 PM) Throne3d: idk what yours is

(4/21/2016 6:13:40 PM) Teceler: Findek?no

(4/21/2016 6:13:40 PM) DanielH: headbutt is the bloody American equivalent

(4/21/2016 6:13:48 PM) Throne3d: "bloody" is also British, lol

(4/21/2016 6:13:51 PM) DanielH: “Findek�no”

(4/21/2016 6:13:57 PM) Teceler: (did that show up right? I just copy-pasted what DanielH said)

(4/21/2016 6:14:04 PM) Teceler: ...that's /weird/

(4/21/2016 6:14:05 PM) Throne3d: nope

(4/21/2016 6:14:07 PM) pedro: Findekáno

(4/21/2016 6:14:09 PM) pedro: Findekàno

(4/21/2016 6:14:12 PM) pedro: what accent?

(4/21/2016 6:14:13 PM) Throne3d: Findekáno

(4/21/2016 6:14:13 PM) DanielH: I just copy-pasted what you said but with quotes

(4/21/2016 6:14:21 PM) Throne3d: or Findekâno ?

(4/21/2016 6:14:22 PM) DanielH: Acute accent

(4/21/2016 6:14:23 PM) Teceler: pedro: acute, not grave

(4/21/2016 6:14:26 PM) Throne3d: acute, mmk

(4/21/2016 6:14:30 PM) pedro: Findekáno then

(4/21/2016 6:14:45 PM) Throne3d: I have no idea why that shows up properly when some people write it but not others

(4/21/2016 6:14:45 PM) DanielH: And this is all showing up correctly for you, Teceler?

(4/21/2016 6:14:48 PM) DanielH: What IRC client do you use?

(4/21/2016 6:14:58 PM) Teceler: at this point I am beginning to suspect that my client is doing a weird on transmission

(4/21/2016 6:15:01 PM) Throne3d: so headbutt _isn't_ British?

(4/21/2016 6:15:06 PM) DanielH: Everything is showing up right for me, except for Teceler’s stuff

(4/21/2016 6:15:10 PM) Throne3d: It means to hit someone with your literal head.

(4/21/2016 6:15:14 PM) Teceler: everything but DanielH's copy-paste of my copy-paste showed up fine for me

(4/21/2016 6:15:17 PM) DanielH: Usually in their literal head

(4/21/2016 6:15:22 PM) Throne3d: usually

(4/21/2016 6:15:24 PM) Teceler: (that had a 'what even is this character' mark)

(4/21/2016 6:15:27 PM) Throne3d: as opposed to their butt or something

(4/21/2016 6:15:30 PM) rockeye: UTC-8 is a whimsical creature

(4/21/2016 6:15:50 PM) pedro: headbutt is not british i think

(4/21/2016 6:15:53 PM) rockeye: headbutt is used to refer to that action in US too

(4/21/2016 6:15:55 PM) DanielH: UTF-8. UTC-8 is a time zone.

(4/21/2016 6:16:06 PM) Throne3d: @pedro, sonn

(4/21/2016 6:16:07 PM) Teceler: it might have originated as a British thing and got adopted?

(4/21/2016 6:16:18 PM) Throne3d: I have no idea why it's marked as British by Google then

(4/21/2016 6:16:31 PM) Throne3d: usually they don't have that for non-British things

(4/21/2016 6:16:34 PM) Throne3d: <_<

(4/21/2016 6:17:28 PM) Teceler: hm

(4/21/2016 6:17:30 PM) Teceler: trying something

(4/21/2016 6:17:34 PM) Teceler: Findek?no

(4/21/2016 6:17:40 PM) Throne3d: no

(4/21/2016 6:17:42 PM) Teceler: hm

(4/21/2016 6:17:43 PM) DanielH: Same replacement character

(4/21/2016 6:17:57 PM) Throne3d: What client are you using?

(4/21/2016 6:18:02 PM) Teceler: XChat

(4/21/2016 6:18:07 PM) Throne3d: Idk

(4/21/2016 6:18:09 PM) Throne3d: I'm on HexChat

(4/21/2016 6:18:22 PM) Throne3d: ... and it's kinda late, ugh, I should go but I don't want to

(4/21/2016 6:18:25 PM) Teceler: given that the thing I poked at was in the server settings...

(4/21/2016 6:18:29 PM) Teceler left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving).

(4/21/2016 6:18:30 PM) Throne3d: why is it so annoying to have obligations?

(4/21/2016 6:18:52 PM) Throne3d: such as school. school is an obigation.

(4/21/2016 6:19:27 PM) Teceler [~teceler@PSI-5B647610.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 6:19:31 PM) Throne3d: wb!

(4/21/2016 6:19:39 PM) Teceler: ?

(4/21/2016 6:20:02 PM) Throne3d: I'm sorry?

(4/21/2016 6:20:11 PM) Throne3d: I saw "" without the quotes.

(4/21/2016 6:20:15 PM) FacelessDude: @throne3d tag

(4/21/2016 6:20:21 PM) Teceler: ...computers are /really weird/

(4/21/2016 6:20:29 PM) Teceler: I was testing if it worked

(4/21/2016 6:21:07 PM) Teceler has changed the topic to: Britishisms and Unicode

(4/21/2016 6:21:58 PM) pedro: @throne3d sonn

(4/21/2016 6:21:59 PM) Throne3d: @FacelessDude, tag

(4/21/2016 6:22:19 PM) Throne3d: Ev is being so focused on "ooh magic" that he's not bothering to be polite, wtf

(4/21/2016 6:22:32 PM) Throne3d: he's also a bit tired. I wonder how he arrived in Milliways.

(4/21/2016 6:23:32 PM) DanielH: XChat is supposed to support UTF-8

(4/21/2016 6:24:47 PM) DanielH: XChat on what platform? Also: can you say Findekáno so that we can understand?

(4/21/2016 6:25:03 PM) Teceler: Findek?no

(4/21/2016 6:25:22 PM) DanielH: Still get the replacement character

(4/21/2016 6:25:27 PM) DanielH: Just a sec...

(4/21/2016 6:25:41 PM) Teceler: XChat on Linux (Ubuntu I-don't-actually-remember-the-version-the-latest-one)

(4/21/2016 6:26:04 PM) DanielH: 16.04 LCS, according to something Throne said earlier today

(4/21/2016 6:26:21 PM) DanielH: *LTS

(4/21/2016 6:26:22 PM) Throne3d: @pedro, sonn

(4/21/2016 6:26:34 PM) Throne3d: 16.04 LTS is the one released as of yesterday (since it's now 4/22 for me)

(4/21/2016 6:26:43 PM) Throne3d: 15.10 was before that I think

(4/21/2016 6:26:50 PM) Teceler: ...okay I take that back, it's /not/ the latest version

(4/21/2016 6:26:57 PM) Throne3d: =P

(4/21/2016 6:27:10 PM) Teceler: I didn't realize they'd released xenial

(4/21/2016 6:27:19 PM) Throne3d: I thought the new one began with a W

(4/21/2016 6:27:29 PM) Throne3d: Nope. Xenial Xerus.

(4/21/2016 6:27:31 PM) Throne3d: Such weird names.

(4/21/2016 6:27:34 PM) Teceler: no, 15.10 was wily werewolf

(4/21/2016 6:27:49 PM) Teceler: I have no idea what they're going to do for z

(4/21/2016 6:28:20 PM) Throne3d: "Zany Zangoose"

(4/21/2016 6:28:21 PM) Throne3d: xD

(4/21/2016 6:28:29 PM) Teceler: I think the naming convention is [adjective] [creature] both starting with whatever letter

(4/21/2016 6:28:30 PM) Throne3d: that's a pokémon, oops

(4/21/2016 6:28:32 PM) Throne3d: "Zany Zebra" ?

(4/21/2016 6:28:42 PM) Throne3d: what does zany even mean

(4/21/2016 6:28:57 PM) Throne3d: "amusingly unconventional and idiosyncratic"

(4/21/2016 6:29:03 PM) Throne3d: yeah, Zany Zebra works, how about it.

(4/21/2016 6:29:51 PM) Throne3d: (I mean, not that anyone here picks it.)

(4/21/2016 6:29:55 PM) Throne3d: (I'll just... stop.)

(4/21/2016 6:30:18 PM) DanielH: I’d go with Zany Zebra

(4/21/2016 6:30:19 PM) Teceler: ...you're fine? (at least in my opinion)

(4/21/2016 6:30:36 PM) Teceler: Zany Zebra sounds good, I was actually checking they hadn't already used that

(4/21/2016 6:30:52 PM) Teceler: or, well, already used zebra

(4/21/2016 6:33:42 PM) DanielH: Did they ever go back in the alphabet?

(4/21/2016 6:33:54 PM) Throne3d: Zebu is a type of cattle

(4/21/2016 6:33:58 PM) Throne3d: call it a Zany Zebu

(4/21/2016 6:34:12 PM) Teceler: apparantly not! (early-release weirdness aside) For some reason I thought they were on their second round

(4/21/2016 6:34:15 PM) Throne3d: I think this is their second time round the alphabet but I'm not sure?

(4/21/2016 6:34:25 PM) Throne3d: o.o

(4/21/2016 6:34:36 PM) ***Teceler continues to want to hug Fingon (let's just... go with the Sindarized names that don't have diacritics)

(4/21/2016 6:34:52 PM) DanielH: Hey, I’m looking at the raw arriving messages to help debug, can you say another non-ASCII thing?

(4/21/2016 6:35:02 PM) Teceler: hm

(4/21/2016 6:35:49 PM) Teceler: Findek?no, F?anor, E?

(4/21/2016 6:36:35 PM) Teceler: Throne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

(4/21/2016 6:37:00 PM) FacelessDude: who is fingon?

(4/21/2016 6:37:01 PM) FacelessDude: new pokemon?

(4/21/2016 6:37:29 PM) Teceler: Fingon is the same person as Findek?no

(4/21/2016 6:37:55 PM) Throne3d: Huh. Weird.

(4/21/2016 6:38:38 PM) Teceler: the reason I want to hug him is current stuff in 'leave of absence', if that un-confuses you any Faceless

(4/21/2016 6:39:39 PM) DanielH: Assuming you meant to type Findekáno, Fëanor, Eä

(4/21/2016 6:39:48 PM) Teceler: DanielH: I did!

(4/21/2016 6:40:26 PM) DanielH: You seem to be using Windows-1258 or similar, or one of the ISO-8859s.

(4/21/2016 6:40:30 PM) Teceler: ...

(4/21/2016 6:40:37 PM) Teceler: that's /bizarre/

(4/21/2016 6:40:41 PM) DanielH: Not UTF-8, which everybody is expecting.

(4/21/2016 6:40:57 PM) Teceler: UTF-8 is what I was expecting too!

(4/21/2016 6:41:16 PM) Teceler: lemme go double-check the system default

(4/21/2016 6:42:07 PM) DanielH: Yeah, I’d recommend running `locale` in a terminal.

(4/21/2016 6:42:38 PM) Teceler: LANG=en_US.UTF-8

(4/21/2016 6:42:46 PM) Teceler: (and more stuff with UTF-8)

(4/21/2016 6:43:07 PM) DanielH: Huh. Are you sure XChat is configured well?

(4/21/2016 6:43:15 PM) Teceler: that's what I'm checking now

(4/21/2016 6:44:03 PM) Throne3d: I feel simultaneously like I've written loads and also hardly any glowfic.

(4/21/2016 6:44:05 PM) Throne3d: It's weird.

(4/21/2016 6:44:18 PM) DanielH: http://xchat.org/encoding/ is what I found online. Despite it falsely claiming that CP1252 is the most common

(4/21/2016 6:44:28 PM) DanielH: (which was probably true when that page was written)

(4/21/2016 6:44:30 PM) Teceler: that's what I just found

(4/21/2016 6:44:37 PM) DanielH: It claims to default to your own locale

(4/21/2016 6:44:42 PM) Teceler: it says it should use the system default or server setting

(4/21/2016 6:45:03 PM) Throne3d: Is there a preferences thing for the individual server?

(4/21/2016 6:45:10 PM) Teceler: yeah

(4/21/2016 6:45:29 PM) Throne3d: Does it have anything applicable? (I assume not?)

(4/21/2016 6:45:38 PM) Teceler: I went and set it to UTF-8, and disconnected and reconnected to make sure it took

(4/21/2016 6:45:43 PM) Teceler: earlier

(4/21/2016 6:46:32 PM) Throne3d: Does your input box have anything to set its encoding?

(4/21/2016 6:46:46 PM) Throne3d: Oh look. Italics.

(4/21/2016 6:46:48 PM) Throne3d: That's interesting.

(4/21/2016 6:46:59 PM) Throne3d: I can do italics properly, instead of having to make do with slashes.

(4/21/2016 6:47:27 PM) Teceler: there's an input methods thing... are you italicsing I'm not getting italics

(4/21/2016 6:47:40 PM) Teceler: test

(4/21/2016 6:47:50 PM) Throne3d: I got that underline

(4/21/2016 6:47:57 PM) Throne3d: I got "italics" on "Oh look. Italics."

(4/21/2016 6:48:00 PM) Teceler: interesting

(4/21/2016 6:48:08 PM) Throne3d: blah

(4/21/2016 6:48:14 PM) Teceler: I'm not seeing the italics. is anyone else seeing the italics?

(4/21/2016 6:48:15 PM) Teceler: I saw bold there

(4/21/2016 6:48:15 PM) Throne3d: Apparently that's bold, but it did a weird character first

(4/21/2016 6:48:29 PM) Throne3d: green?

(4/21/2016 6:48:30 PM) Teceler: underline and bold seem to do it with a unicode control character

(4/21/2016 6:48:33 PM) Teceler: green!

(4/21/2016 6:48:45 PM) Throne3d: italic

(4/21/2016 6:48:48 PM) Throne3d: no?

(4/21/2016 6:48:51 PM) Teceler: no italic

(4/21/2016 6:48:52 PM) Throne3d: it is for me

(4/21/2016 6:48:54 PM) Throne3d: weird

(4/21/2016 6:49:03 PM) DanielH: How does it italics? Just with <i>HTML italics</i>?

(4/21/2016 6:49:05 PM) DanielH: No

(4/21/2016 6:49:25 PM) Teceler: blue?

(4/21/2016 6:49:28 PM) pedro: _test_

(4/21/2016 6:49:34 PM) DanielH: Wait, is this?

(4/21/2016 6:49:48 PM) Teceler: that is not italics for me DanielH

(4/21/2016 6:50:42 PM) DanielH: U+001d is Group Separator. U+0002 is Start of Text. U+001F is Unit Separator. Where is it getting these?

(4/21/2016 6:50:52 PM) DanielH: (Italics, Bold, and Underline for HexChat)

(4/21/2016 6:50:58 PM) DanielH: But they aren’t portable

(4/21/2016 6:51:02 PM) Teceler: hm

(4/21/2016 6:51:09 PM) Teceler: I get the bold and underline but not the italics

(4/21/2016 6:51:11 PM) DanielH: So probably best to stick with *asterisks* or _underscores_

(4/21/2016 6:51:11 PM) rockeye: I'm using mibbit so

(4/21/2016 6:51:27 PM) DanielH has changed the topic to: Unicode and Formatting

(4/21/2016 6:51:49 PM) ***DanielH also notes that IRC does natively support some things people use emphasis for.

(4/21/2016 6:52:07 PM) Teceler: rockeye: bold underline blue green

(4/21/2016 6:52:07 PM) Throne3d: that is italics for me, DanielH

(4/21/2016 6:52:10 PM) Teceler: ...

(4/21/2016 6:52:12 PM) Throne3d: also it was blue, Teceler

(4/21/2016 6:52:23 PM) Throne3d: that stuff was as described

(4/21/2016 6:52:26 PM) Teceler: okay I don't know how to /end/ bold or underline

(4/21/2016 6:52:31 PM) Throne3d: except, bold and underline carried through

(4/21/2016 6:52:34 PM) Throne3d: no idea

(4/21/2016 6:53:00 PM) Teceler: let's try: only this word should be bold

(4/21/2016 6:53:03 PM) Teceler: ha

(4/21/2016 6:53:05 PM) DanielH: Same character. How did you start them?

(4/21/2016 6:53:09 PM) Teceler: okay, so just entering the character again

(4/21/2016 6:53:34 PM) DanielH: I used CTRL+B, CTRL+U, etc.

(4/21/2016 6:53:42 PM) Throne3d: asdf test

(4/21/2016 6:53:43 PM) Teceler: hmm

(4/21/2016 6:53:44 PM) Throne3d: ooh, works

(4/21/2016 6:53:48 PM) Teceler: it does!

(4/21/2016 6:53:49 PM) Throne3d: coolio stuff

(4/21/2016 6:53:51 PM) Throne3d: woo!

(4/21/2016 6:54:13 PM) Teceler: ...ctrl-i pulls the channel out into it's own window

(4/21/2016 6:54:15 PM) Teceler: oookay then xchat

(4/21/2016 6:54:21 PM) DanielH: But Rockeye you say none of this works on mibbit?

(4/21/2016 6:54:38 PM) Teceler left the room (Leaving).

(4/21/2016 6:54:40 PM) Teceler [~teceler@PSI-5B647610.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 6:55:47 PM) Teceler: hm

(4/21/2016 6:57:36 PM) DanielH-Mibbit [86ad3dbc@PSI-D1FE54AC.mibbit.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 6:57:44 PM) Teceler: ...uh, did people suddenly go quiet or...?

(4/21/2016 6:57:57 PM) DanielH: Yeah, we did

(4/21/2016 6:58:06 PM) Teceler: okay good

(4/21/2016 6:58:28 PM) DanielH: Normal bold italics underlined

(4/21/2016 6:58:58 PM) Throne3d: Are "sappy" and "sod" British?

(4/21/2016 6:59:00 PM) Throne3d: I think "sod" is British.

(4/21/2016 6:59:07 PM) Teceler: the latter yes the former I don't think so

(4/21/2016 6:59:14 PM) Throne3d: okay

(4/21/2016 6:59:20 PM) DanielH-Mibbit left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).

(4/21/2016 6:59:52 PM) DanielH: I can’t get anything on my Mibbit or Irssi connections?

(4/21/2016 7:00:22 PM) DanielH-irssi [~dhouck@PSI-139A8394.st.hmc.edu] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 7:00:39 PM) DanielH-Mibbit [86ad3dbc@PSI-D1FE54AC.mibbit.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 7:00:46 PM) DanielH: Normal bold italics underlined

(4/21/2016 7:01:32 PM) DanielH: Okay, italics seems more controversial but irssi and mibbit support bold and underlined. How did you od color?

(4/21/2016 7:02:56 PM) DanielH: Blue Green

(4/21/2016 7:03:05 PM) DanielH: Those also stayed

(4/21/2016 7:03:22 PM) DanielH: So I think formatting other than italics probably works for most people

(4/21/2016 7:03:30 PM) DanielH: If it works for XChat, HexChat, irssi, and mibbit

(4/21/2016 7:03:46 PM) DanielH: But now I seem to be the only one talking. And I’m in this channel thrice.

(4/21/2016 7:03:52 PM) DanielH-irssi left the room (quit: Quit: leaving).

(4/21/2016 7:03:57 PM) DanielH-Mibbit left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).

(4/21/2016 7:04:40 PM) ***Teceler returns

(4/21/2016 7:04:48 PM) DanielH: Throne3d, I think sappy works just as well in American English.

(4/21/2016 7:05:04 PM) Throne3d: Ah, okay

(4/21/2016 7:05:43 PM) DanielH: Either for being covered in tree sap or for being... I want to say “overly romantically showy” but that doesn’t feel like a good definition.

(4/21/2016 7:06:00 PM) DanielH: Yeah, sentimental, not just romantic

(4/21/2016 7:06:34 PM) DanielH: According to Google: NORTH AMERICAN, informal, excessively sentimental; mawkish.

(4/21/2016 7:06:52 PM) DanielH: (and I had never heard the word mawkish before)

(4/21/2016 7:08:35 PM) teceler2 [~teceler@PSI-5B647610.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 7:08:46 PM) DanielH: Hello hello

(4/21/2016 7:08:58 PM) teceler2: hi

(4/21/2016 7:09:01 PM) teceler2: trying a thing

(4/21/2016 7:09:08 PM) teceler2: Eä

(4/21/2016 7:09:21 PM) DanielH: Eä

(4/21/2016 7:09:37 PM) teceler2: ...okay xchat I don't know what you are doing but

(4/21/2016 7:10:55 PM) DanielH: (I copied what I saw, <U+0045 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E><U+00E4 LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS>

(4/21/2016 7:11:00 PM) DanielH: )

(4/21/2016 7:12:42 PM) DanielH: I assume that’s what you wanted to type? Is that what you saw me say?

(4/21/2016 7:12:50 PM) Teceler: yeah

(4/21/2016 7:13:04 PM) Teceler: I don't know what xchat is doing but I assume it's a bug

(4/21/2016 7:13:15 PM) Throne3d: mm, oh well? :S

(4/21/2016 7:13:17 PM) Teceler: research indicated that xchat is pretty old which may be a contributing factor

(4/21/2016 7:13:25 PM) Throne3d: Try HexChat instead?

(4/21/2016 7:13:32 PM) Teceler: that's what I was testing

(4/21/2016 7:13:35 PM) Throne3d: I think it's X but a more recent adaptation

(4/21/2016 7:13:35 PM) Throne3d: oh

(4/21/2016 7:13:42 PM) Teceler: and since it doesn't do the thing I'm now transfering my settings

(4/21/2016 7:13:43 PM) DanielH: Yeah, XChat stopped development according to Wikipedia. HexChat is a fork which is still developed.

(4/21/2016 7:15:55 PM) teceler2 left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving).

(4/21/2016 7:16:14 PM) teceler2 [~teceler@PSI-5B647610.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 7:16:52 PM) Teceler left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving).

(4/21/2016 7:16:55 PM) teceler2 is now known as Teceler

(4/21/2016 7:19:54 PM) Teceler: so, in conclusion, xchat is weird

(4/21/2016 7:19:58 PM) FacelessDude: are we still talking about coding stuff?

(4/21/2016 7:20:10 PM) Throne3d: Eva is feeling very fabulous

(4/21/2016 7:20:19 PM) Throne3d: I'm surprised how easily 'fabulous' seems to be written by me.

(4/21/2016 7:20:29 PM) FacelessDude: ?

(4/21/2016 7:20:33 PM) FacelessDude: She likes being a slayer?

(4/21/2016 7:20:37 PM) Throne3d: Okay, she's not feeling /fabulous/, but she's feeling very /Eva-like/.

(4/21/2016 7:20:48 PM) Throne3d: and it's weird because I didn't know I could emulate Eva that well

(4/21/2016 7:20:57 PM) Throne3d: and what do you mean she likes being a slayer?

(4/21/2016 7:21:09 PM) Throne3d: she's just a normal pupil (student?) at a school in Sunnydale, California, thank you very much

(4/21/2016 7:21:16 PM) Throne3d: "normal" insofar as an Eva can ever be

(4/21/2016 7:22:09 PM) DanielH: Last I saw her she was having a weird dream where she certainly was trying to slay somebody.

(4/21/2016 7:22:53 PM) Throne3d: I have no idea what you could possibly mean

(4/21/2016 7:23:24 PM) Throne3d: Eva is /nothing/ like a slayer. Because slayers don't exist. Because that implies vampires. And Eva is in a normal high-school environment, thank you very much.

(4/21/2016 7:23:32 PM) Throne3d: She has far too much to deal with to have /vampires/ around.

(4/21/2016 7:23:33 PM) Teceler: ...ah

(4/21/2016 7:23:42 PM) Teceler: I see.

(4/21/2016 7:23:51 PM) DanielH: Yeah, sure, but that doesn’t mean they can’t exist in her *dreams*.

(4/21/2016 7:23:56 PM) Throne3d: xD

(4/21/2016 7:24:33 PM) Throne3d: anyway, she doesn't necessarily know her dream character was a vampire

(4/21/2016 7:24:40 PM) Throne3d: maybe he's just really into throat biting

(4/21/2016 7:24:55 PM) Throne3d: and also happens to be super doped up on steroids

(4/21/2016 7:25:02 PM) rockeye: *peek at irc*

(4/21/2016 7:25:04 PM) Throne3d: and. uh. can survive being impaled by a metal rod.

(4/21/2016 7:25:05 PM) Throne3d: who knows.

(4/21/2016 7:25:11 PM) Teceler: rockeye: hi

(4/21/2016 7:25:13 PM) Throne3d: (spoiler alert)

(4/21/2016 7:25:32 PM) rockeye has changed the topic to: Slayer Eva

(4/21/2016 7:25:34 PM) DanielH: (spoiler being: Sunnyvamps can survive being impaled by metal rods)

(4/21/2016 7:25:52 PM) FacelessDude: back logging

(4/21/2016 7:26:11 PM) FacelessDude: DanielH that somebody is Spike and if you haven't watched Buffy do it now, we will wait

(4/21/2016 7:26:26 PM) DanielH: I have watched slightly more than 6/7 of Buffy

(4/21/2016 7:27:05 PM) DanielH: But that particular detail was not specific to any particular vampire

(4/21/2016 7:27:45 PM) Throne3d: spoiler being that what's his face gets impaled by a metal rod by Eva

(4/21/2016 7:27:53 PM) Throne3d: but anyway

(4/21/2016 7:28:03 PM) Throne3d: well, by "Eva"

(4/21/2016 7:28:19 PM) Throne3d: now I will sleep, since it is 01:30 and I have to get up in like 6 hours (oops)

(4/21/2016 7:28:24 PM) Teceler: sleep well

(4/21/2016 7:28:33 PM) Throne3d: if I'm terrible tomorrow, please let me know never to stay up this late again

(4/21/2016 7:28:34 PM) Throne3d: kthx

(4/21/2016 7:28:39 PM) Throne3d left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving).

(4/21/2016 7:29:39 PM) DanielH: Wait, the real Spike gets impaled with a metal bar, not the weird-Slayer-prophetic-dream Spike? I am not caught up on the thread so do not know.

(4/21/2016 7:30:14 PM) DanielH: Well, for values of “real” that can apply to fictional characters who are in canon-incompatible fanfiction.

(4/21/2016 7:36:22 PM) FacelessDude: Well, metal spikes aren't deadly to vampires

(4/21/2016 7:36:35 PM) FacelessDude: metal bar*

(4/21/2016 7:36:46 PM) FacelessDude: you need wood

(4/21/2016 7:47:56 PM) DanielH: Or a metal bar applied in such a way as to decapitate

(4/21/2016 7:48:17 PM) DanielH: Or two metal bars shaped like a cross; I bet crosses could eventually do it even if it takes longer.

(4/21/2016 7:48:18 PM) Teceler: that would require a great of force in the application, I imagine

(4/21/2016 7:48:32 PM) DanielH: Just like holy water usually just burns, but drinking it is deadly

(4/21/2016 7:49:01 PM) DanielH: Or a definition of metal bar which includes really thin ones, like swords.

(4/21/2016 7:49:12 PM) Teceler: true

(4/21/2016 7:51:53 PM) FacelessDude: I wanted to know

(4/21/2016 7:52:02 PM) FacelessDude: what counts as "holy water"

(4/21/2016 7:52:10 PM) FacelessDude: specifically, if you can bless the rain

(4/21/2016 7:52:15 PM) FacelessDude: and how long until the water becomes not hly

(4/21/2016 7:52:17 PM) FacelessDude: holy*

(4/21/2016 7:52:25 PM) rockeye: I am really annoyed that the .rpa files for Hate Plus won't let me get at all the delicious 87 different *Mute expressions, I have to rely on other peoples' screencaps (since mine doesn't seem to work right)

(4/21/2016 7:52:32 PM) Teceler: ...probably not unless you have a way to bless the clouds

(4/21/2016 7:52:50 PM) rockeye: tried a decompiler and it fried the files and I had to redownload from steam

(4/21/2016 7:53:01 PM) DanielH: I think I heard somewhere that in theory a priest could bless the entire ocean

(4/21/2016 7:53:02 PM) Teceler: that sounds annoying

(4/21/2016 7:53:13 PM) DanielH: But in practice that would necessarily mean people were desecrating holy water

(4/21/2016 7:53:16 PM) DanielH: Which would be bad

(4/21/2016 7:53:30 PM) Teceler: (possibly copy the files somewhere else before trying any more decompilers)

(4/21/2016 7:53:38 PM) Teceler: does that have effects too?

(4/21/2016 7:55:04 PM) DanielH: Does what? Using holy water for profane purposes? I don’t think so; it just goes against canon law

(4/21/2016 7:55:14 PM) Teceler: ah

(4/21/2016 7:55:24 PM) DanielH: So nobody would actually do it

(4/21/2016 7:55:35 PM) DanielH: Where “it” is “make the ocean holy water”

(4/21/2016 7:55:56 PM) Teceler: idunno, I would expect it to have been tried in that Sunnyverse where things went public

(4/21/2016 7:56:08 PM) Teceler: Phaeton?

(4/21/2016 7:56:56 PM) FacelessDude: fair enough

(4/21/2016 7:57:18 PM) Teceler: but maybe I am modeling the priorities there incorrectly

(4/21/2016 7:57:36 PM) FacelessDude: I wonder if you could make a building count as a cross...

(4/21/2016 7:58:28 PM) DanielH: I don’t think any truely believing priest would bless the ocean even in Phaeton.

(4/21/2016 7:58:54 PM) DanielH: But some would probably find that they don’t actually believe enough that they wouldn’t try it

(4/21/2016 7:59:21 PM) DanielH: Maybe flushing your toilet into holy water also makes it non-holy again.

(4/21/2016 8:00:13 PM) FacelessDude: What is the problem with desecrating holy water?

(4/21/2016 8:00:13 PM) FacelessDude: also I have the vague memory that in angel

(4/21/2016 8:00:29 PM) FacelessDude: someone blessed the water supply in a building

(4/21/2016 8:00:49 PM) FacelessDude: and then activated the anti-fire system?

(4/21/2016 8:01:03 PM) Teceler: ...did it work?

(4/21/2016 8:01:24 PM) Teceler: (if you remember?)

(4/21/2016 8:02:20 PM) FacelessDude: As far I can remember it did.

(4/21/2016 8:02:34 PM) FacelessDude: It might have been like, a special cross or something that was put in the water.

(4/21/2016 8:02:46 PM) DanielH: It’s sacrilegious. No priest would make it practically guaranteed to happen by making the ocean into holy water.

(4/21/2016 8:03:04 PM) FacelessDude: What I recall (very vaguely) was that they killed all vampires and then someone removed the cross from the water tank

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(4/21/2016 8:03:07 PM) DanielH: Unless they decided that killing vampires was more important than the will of God

(4/21/2016 8:03:16 PM) DanielH: As expressed in canon law

(4/21/2016 8:03:37 PM) DanielH: In which case I think it might have been a mistake to make them a priest in the first place.

(4/21/2016 8:03:57 PM) FacelesZenon [bd5256a7@PSI-55571805.mibbit.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 8:04:03 PM) DanielH: “Can.  1171 Sacred objects, which are designated for divine worship by dedication or blessing, are to be treated reverently and are not to be employed for profane or inappropriate use even if they are owned by private persons.”

(4/21/2016 8:04:12 PM) DanielH: Did that get cut off?

(4/21/2016 8:04:20 PM) Teceler: it had an end-quote mark

(4/21/2016 8:04:22 PM) Teceler: so presumably not

(4/21/2016 8:04:34 PM) DanielH: Okay, cool

(4/21/2016 8:04:37 PM) Teceler: mm, what I was thinking re: priorities was something about it being a lesser sin to allow the desecration of holy water than allow the vampires who that might stop to kill people

(4/21/2016 8:04:43 PM) FacelesZenon: Did I miss anything?

(4/21/2016 8:05:02 PM) Teceler: but granted I am not particularly familiar with the relevant systems

(4/21/2016 8:05:08 PM) Teceler: I'll pm you faceless

(4/21/2016 8:05:18 PM) DanielH: Me neither. This is my understanding based on real world theology

(4/21/2016 8:05:43 PM) DanielH: Based on my poor understanding of real world theology

(4/21/2016 8:05:45 PM) FacelesZenon: Dunno, if that is how the abrahamic god rolls, Teceler

(4/21/2016 8:05:55 PM) DanielH: And based on it appearing the ocean does not kill vampires in Phaeton

(4/21/2016 8:06:35 PM) Teceler: ...does Buffy actually have a canon reason holy water and crosses do the thing?

(4/21/2016 8:06:50 PM) DanielH: I don’t think so.

(4/21/2016 8:06:58 PM) Teceler: mm, fair enough

(4/21/2016 8:07:27 PM) Adelene: I am very nearly certain that in Judaism, keeping people alive is more important than any rule. Not the first clue whether that can be made to count for anything, though.

(4/21/2016 8:07:32 PM) DanielH: And Sunnyverses in Effulgence differ from the one Throne3d and Pedro are using

(4/21/2016 8:08:03 PM) DanielH: In that in Effulgence it is only Catholic symbols, not all religions.

(4/21/2016 8:08:08 PM) DanielH: And a few other differences I think

(4/21/2016 8:12:24 PM) FacelesZenon: I remember that Joss Whedon later said that cross and holy waters aren't a sign that christianity is "better" but that christianity adopted as symbols because they are anti-vampire

(4/21/2016 8:12:47 PM) Teceler: iiiinteresting

(4/21/2016 8:13:49 PM) DanielH: That’s what I would have expected the direction of causation to be if I were in that world

(4/21/2016 8:13:59 PM) DanielH: And knew the various founding myths and histories

(4/21/2016 8:14:16 PM) DanielH: Which I think are incompatible with Genesis

(4/21/2016 8:14:23 PM) DanielH: And probably have more evidence

(4/21/2016 8:14:59 PM) Teceler: well, I mean, the other direction of causation that would make sense to me would have to do with numbers of people believing something

(4/21/2016 8:15:21 PM) DanielH: But it’s clear that either Catholicism is true or was influenced by vampires in that world

(4/21/2016 8:16:12 PM) DanielH: But I think holy water is specifically Catholic (correct me if I’m wrong), and there aren’t that many Catholics.

(4/21/2016 8:16:30 PM) Teceler: I would actually have to look that up

(4/21/2016 8:16:34 PM) FacelesZenon: I think there is a billion catholics?

(4/21/2016 8:16:46 PM) FacelesZenon: Do non-catholics christians don't believe in holy water?

(4/21/2016 8:17:10 PM) DanielH: I was wrong

(4/21/2016 8:17:18 PM) Teceler: I know holy water isn't a Thing for all christian denominations

(4/21/2016 8:17:31 PM) DanielH: But it is for more than Catholicism

(4/21/2016 8:17:44 PM) Teceler: that does not particularly surprise me

(4/21/2016 8:18:04 PM) DanielH: According to Wikipedia, Christianity as a whole is 2.2 billion, Islam is 1.6 billion, and Hinduism is 1.1 billion.

(4/21/2016 8:20:19 PM) Teceler: so if it was that you'd expect their symbols to work too (although given the specificity of the show's setting I suppose it could just not come up there)

(4/21/2016 8:20:31 PM) Teceler: or, not so much the setting as -- [words]

(4/21/2016 8:20:43 PM) FacelesZenon: the population?

(4/21/2016 8:20:59 PM) DanielH: Isn’t Willow Jewish?

(4/21/2016 8:21:13 PM) Teceler: I have not actually watched this show, I have no idea

(4/21/2016 8:21:20 PM) DanielH: Yes

(4/21/2016 8:21:25 PM) DanielH: Just checked

(4/21/2016 8:21:28 PM) DanielH: I love Google.

(4/21/2016 8:21:32 PM) Teceler: google is useful

(4/21/2016 8:22:11 PM) DanielH: From the Buffy wiki, without citation: “Also, when doing the spell to un-invite Angel from her house, she hid the crosses she nailed to the wall behind a curtain, noting that her father would have a fit if he saw them. ”

(4/21/2016 8:22:19 PM) DanielH: Implying that a more Jewish symbol would not work

(4/21/2016 8:22:55 PM) ***Teceler is now thinking about the Effugence Sunnyverse magic system

(4/21/2016 8:23:03 PM) DanielH has changed the topic to: Religion and Sunnyverse

(4/21/2016 8:23:30 PM) ***DanielH will be back later

(4/21/2016 8:23:49 PM) Teceler: other potential line of causation: someone did magic to crosses and holy water as things at some point in the Sunnyverse past

(4/21/2016 8:24:28 PM) Teceler: (or they're tangled in with vampires being a thing somehow)

(4/21/2016 8:24:30 PM) FacelesZenon: Teceler you haven't! D:

(4/21/2016 8:24:43 PM) Teceler: ?

(4/21/2016 8:24:58 PM) Teceler: haven't what?

(4/21/2016 8:25:04 PM) FacelesZenon: Watched buffy

(4/21/2016 8:25:06 PM) Teceler: ah

(4/21/2016 8:25:52 PM) Teceler: indeed, I have not

(4/21/2016 8:26:36 PM) FacelesZenon: :(

(4/21/2016 8:27:14 PM) FacelesZenon: (sorry, I am busy, can someone give the nerdy over-reaction for me?)

(4/21/2016 8:28:52 PM) ***Teceler makes note.

(4/21/2016 8:28:54 PM) ***pedro clears throat

(4/21/2016 8:29:04 PM) pedro: you haveN'T WATCHED BUFFY

(4/21/2016 8:29:06 PM) pedro: oh my /god/

(4/21/2016 8:29:14 PM) rockeye left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).

(4/21/2016 8:29:17 PM) pedro: it's li- okay i don't know how to do that

(4/21/2016 8:29:26 PM) Teceler: pft

(4/21/2016 8:29:34 PM) ***Teceler makes further notes.

(4/21/2016 8:30:28 PM) pedro: in my thread with throne i'm completely ignoring that other religions may not work

(4/21/2016 8:30:36 PM) pedro: canon is ambiguous about it

(4/21/2016 8:31:22 PM) pedro: ignoring word of god that is

(4/21/2016 8:31:44 PM) pedro: also i'm trying to worldbuild alethia in a way that makes it not just earthfic+daemons

(4/21/2016 8:35:34 PM) FacelesZenon: aw, but that is so hilarious :3

(4/21/2016 8:35:43 PM) FacelesZenon: Also, add bears to your story

(4/21/2016 8:35:52 PM) FacelesZenon: we need more armored bears in glowfic

(4/21/2016 8:35:59 PM) FacelesZenon: which is to say, we need any

(4/21/2016 8:36:14 PM) pedro: ehh

(4/21/2016 8:36:20 PM) pedro: they're not really that interesting

(4/21/2016 8:36:30 PM) pedro has changed the topic to: figuring out how to worldbuild Alethia

(4/21/2016 8:37:42 PM) FacelesZenon: counterpoint: That is what is challenging about them, plus they are big and furry. We need a cute sign of a baby falling in a snuggly pocket, oops.

(4/21/2016 8:37:47 PM) FacelesZenon: scene*

(4/21/2016 8:37:49 PM) FacelesZenon: (jesus)

(4/21/2016 8:38:10 PM) pedro: i don't really need /challenge/ right now though

(4/21/2016 8:38:20 PM) pedro: tying the world into a coherent whole is already hard enough

(4/21/2016 8:38:34 PM) pedro: after i've done that i'll think about roping them into the plot

(4/21/2016 8:38:41 PM) Teceler: ...good luck?

(4/21/2016 8:38:41 PM) pedro: ...i have figured out how to rope them into the plot

(4/21/2016 8:38:49 PM) Teceler: ...pft

(4/21/2016 8:38:52 PM) pedro: my brain is /much better/ at plot than at worldbuilding

(4/21/2016 8:39:16 PM) FacelesZenon: xD

(4/21/2016 8:39:24 PM) pedro: wow i have so much figured out how to rope them into the plot

(4/21/2016 8:39:25 PM) FacelesZenon: do explain how you managed that?

(4/21/2016 8:39:33 PM) pedro: like fuck you brain i want a /world/ not a plot i know you can do plot

(4/21/2016 8:40:42 PM) Teceler: my brain likes to make plot /with/ world-building

(4/21/2016 8:41:53 PM) FacelesZenon: Pedro, important question, will any of them be particularly cute and cuddly?

(4/21/2016 8:41:54 PM) Teceler: (and vice versa, although that's harder unless it's world-changing plot)

(4/21/2016 8:42:07 PM) pedro: @Teceler what do you mean?

(4/21/2016 8:42:40 PM) Teceler: like

(4/21/2016 8:43:07 PM) Teceler: world-building says 'these things that are going to bump into each other and have effects exist'

(4/21/2016 8:44:13 PM) Teceler: and thus plot

(4/21/2016 8:45:04 PM) Teceler: (or, alternately, 'this thing that you know one of the characters is going to have strong opinions about and do things is the case')

(4/21/2016 8:47:10 PM) pedro: nod

(4/21/2016 8:47:26 PM) pedro: i'm reasonably good at coming up with a plot given a world i understand well enough and with enough stuff in it

(4/21/2016 8:47:31 PM) pedro: like worm

(4/21/2016 8:47:38 PM) pedro: cardcaptor sakura

(4/21/2016 8:47:41 PM) pedro: buffy

(4/21/2016 8:47:49 PM) pedro: pact

(4/21/2016 8:47:59 PM) atheistcanuck: if you run out of plot ideas in Worm, throw an Endbringer at it right?

(4/21/2016 8:48:09 PM) pedro: XD well endbringers are scheduled but yes

(4/21/2016 8:48:11 PM) Teceler: or the S9, or... there are options

(4/21/2016 8:48:13 PM) pedro: i have a /very long/ timeline

(4/21/2016 8:48:36 PM) pedro: next endbringer in coruscation happens in a month and ten days, more or less

(4/21/2016 8:49:10 PM) pedro: but yeah, with a rich enough world plotting is fairly easy

(4/21/2016 8:49:17 PM) pedro: coming up with rich enough worlds is

(4/21/2016 8:49:18 PM) pedro: more challenging

(4/21/2016 8:49:19 PM) FacelesZenon: how about sunburts?

(4/21/2016 8:49:23 PM) FacelesZenon: burst*

(4/21/2016 8:49:29 PM) pedro: that too!

(4/21/2016 8:49:29 PM) pedro: but

(4/21/2016 8:49:31 PM) pedro: i need to reread that thread

(4/21/2016 8:49:35 PM) pedro: cause kappa paused it for a bit

(4/21/2016 8:49:41 PM) pedro: and we lost some

(4/21/2016 8:49:45 PM) pedro: of the uh momentum

(4/21/2016 8:49:53 PM) pedro: also our characters kinda randomly decided to start dating

(4/21/2016 8:49:57 PM) pedro: which was completely unplanned

(4/21/2016 8:50:04 PM) FacelesZenon: When will Ashras and Sadde get their wings so they can make out in sphere

(4/21/2016 8:50:05 PM) FacelesZenon: urgh

(4/21/2016 8:50:17 PM) pedro: and kinda added some extra stuff we weren't prepared for

(4/21/2016 8:50:39 PM) Teceler: characters: are also things that can go and generate plots all on their own

(4/21/2016 8:50:45 PM) FacelesZenon: huh, do you didn't expect Sadde and Ashras to date?

(4/21/2016 8:50:53 PM) FacelesZenon: like, it was obviously going to happen

(4/21/2016 8:50:58 PM) atheistcanuck: they are super cute together.

(4/21/2016 8:51:13 PM) pedro: um

(4/21/2016 8:51:17 PM) pedro: i didn't expect it to happen so soon?

(4/21/2016 8:51:20 PM) pedro: or so

(4/21/2016 8:51:21 PM) pedro: like that

(4/21/2016 8:51:26 PM) FacelesZenon: did you not expect*

(4/21/2016 8:51:32 PM) pedro: it was like, Sadde decided to just flirt with Ashras

(4/21/2016 8:51:35 PM) pedro: and Ashras was like ...okay!

(4/21/2016 8:51:39 PM) pedro: and suddenly: dating

(4/21/2016 8:51:40 PM) Teceler: ...XD

(4/21/2016 8:51:42 PM) pedro: it was very unexpected

(4/21/2016 8:51:46 PM) Teceler: characters!

(4/21/2016 8:51:47 PM) atheistcanuck: but then Mileses are super cute and awesome in general.

(4/21/2016 8:51:51 PM) pedro: yes!

(4/21/2016 8:51:53 PM) pedro: saddes agree

(4/21/2016 8:52:07 PM) pedro: there are three templates i know for a fact a twivamp sadde can mate on

(4/21/2016 8:52:12 PM) pedro: bells, mileses, and revans

(4/21/2016 8:52:25 PM) Teceler: that is not a bad list there XD

(4/21/2016 8:52:35 PM) pedro: mmhm :P

(4/21/2016 8:53:05 PM) FacelesZenon: @Pedro, you don't think isra could twivamp sadde?

(4/21/2016 8:53:14 PM) pedro: mmmmmmaybe

(4/21/2016 8:53:16 PM) pedro: i'm not sure yet

(4/21/2016 8:53:33 PM) pedro: i think if inlustrem!sadde twivamp'd they'd mate on isra

(4/21/2016 8:53:41 PM) pedro: but i don't know if saddes in general can mate on isaacs in general

(4/21/2016 8:53:51 PM) FacelesZenon: huh, makes sense.

(4/21/2016 8:54:01 PM) FacelesZenon: I sometimes unsure about the other direction

(4/21/2016 8:54:15 PM) FacelesZenon: I mean, a Isaac twivamping on a Sadde.

(4/21/2016 8:57:10 PM) FacelesZenon is now known as FacelesShower

(4/21/2016 9:01:52 PM) Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away

(4/21/2016 9:16:17 PM) FacelesShower is now known as FacelessDude

(4/21/2016 9:16:25 PM) FacelessDude: back

(4/21/2016 9:16:49 PM) atheistcanuck: yay shower!

(4/21/2016 9:17:24 PM) FacelessDude: It does cleaning!

(4/21/2016 9:23:45 PM) DanielH: What is wrong with Alethian worldbuilding? When you add the Knife and the Alethiometer into it, it is no longer earthfic+dæmons.

(4/21/2016 9:24:26 PM) atheistcanuck: still pretty much earthfic

(4/21/2016 9:25:20 PM) pedro: ^

(4/21/2016 9:25:27 PM) pedro: like... canon has all these nice bits of world

(4/21/2016 9:25:32 PM) pedro: but they're not really tied into a coherent whole

(4/21/2016 9:25:34 PM) pedro: and that Bothers Me

(4/21/2016 9:25:48 PM) pedro: and Dust is just such a huge mess I don't want to even touch it

(4/21/2016 9:26:37 PM) DanielH: Yeah, that makes sense

(4/21/2016 9:26:43 PM) pedro: i want to have some... underlying principle, some dust-replacement or what-have-you, so that I can properly know what i have to work with, worldwise

(4/21/2016 9:27:01 PM) pedro: esp. cos i wanted to involve deaths, perhaps

(4/21/2016 9:27:19 PM) DanielH: At the moment you could have any of the parts without the others.

(4/21/2016 9:28:28 PM) pedro: yes

(4/21/2016 9:57:42 PM) pedro: now i go to bed, bye~

(4/21/2016 9:57:45 PM) pedro left the room.

(4/21/2016 10:19:10 PM) Alicorn [~Adium@PSI-961297B4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 10:22:55 PM) DanielH: Hello

(4/21/2016 10:23:00 PM) Alicorn: hi

(4/21/2016 10:23:25 PM) DanielH: Welcome to the dark side; FacelessDude had cookies earlier today. Then they became a milkshake.

(4/21/2016 10:23:48 PM) Alicorn: heh

(4/21/2016 10:26:16 PM) atheistcanuck: lol

(4/21/2016 10:26:21 PM) Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler

(4/21/2016 10:26:31 PM) atheistcanuck: apparently the milkshake was delicious.

(4/21/2016 10:32:30 PM) FacelessDude: It was! :D

(4/21/2016 10:33:16 PM) nose [827eaed7@PSI-55571805.mibbit.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 10:33:32 PM) nose: ltl, ftp

(4/21/2016 10:33:39 PM) FacelessDude: Hi?

(4/21/2016 10:33:44 PM) nose: hi

(4/21/2016 10:33:49 PM) nose: 'long time lurker first time poster'

(4/21/2016 10:33:59 PM) FacelessDude: ah! hi!

(4/21/2016 10:34:01 PM) Alicorn: oh, here I thought you were talking about file transfer protocol

(4/21/2016 10:34:12 PM) nose: 0.o alicorn herself

(4/21/2016 10:34:26 PM) Alicorn: it is I

(4/21/2016 10:34:40 PM) nose: you should write more elcenia

(4/21/2016 10:34:56 PM) nose: but nevermind that is rude

(4/21/2016 10:35:00 PM) nose: *blush

(4/21/2016 10:35:19 PM) nose left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).

(4/21/2016 10:36:31 PM) FacelessDude: poor thing :|

(4/21/2016 10:36:45 PM) FacelessDude: (I really wanted to know why 'nose'?)

(4/21/2016 10:37:01 PM) Teceler: (it might have been mibbit-generated, you realize)

(4/21/2016 10:37:08 PM) atheistcanuck: random mibbit username probably.

(4/21/2016 10:39:43 PM) FacelessDude: fair

(4/21/2016 10:40:03 PM) FacelessDude: I am reading Locke & Key

(4/21/2016 10:40:17 PM) FacelessDude: I also shouldn't stay up this late

(4/21/2016 10:40:23 PM) ***FacelessDude continues reading

(4/21/2016 10:40:35 PM) rockeye [827eaed7@PSI-D1FE54AC.mibbit.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 10:40:44 PM) rockeye: 'lo

(4/21/2016 10:40:58 PM) rockeye: what's this about Alethia?

(4/21/2016 10:41:00 PM) Teceler: hello again

(4/21/2016 10:41:54 PM) FacelessDude: Pedro was trying to do worldbuilding earlier

(4/21/2016 10:41:58 PM) Alicorn: pedro's gone to bed, probably not time to talk about that now

(4/21/2016 10:42:14 PM) FacelessDude: someone shouldn't change the topic

(4/21/2016 10:42:44 PM) Teceler: but we're not talking about anything new to change it to

(4/21/2016 10:42:49 PM) FacelessDude has changed the topic to: Welcome to the darkside, we no longer have cookies

(4/21/2016 10:43:06 PM) FacelessDude: wait

(4/21/2016 10:43:17 PM) Teceler: ...okay that works

(4/21/2016 10:43:18 PM) FacelessDude has changed the topic to: Welcome to the dark side, we no longer have cookies

(4/21/2016 10:43:27 PM) FacelessDude: thanks ^^

(4/21/2016 10:43:50 PM) FacelessDude: oh, I have a worldbuilding question for Alicorn

(4/21/2016 10:43:54 PM) Alicorn: gosh

(4/21/2016 10:44:13 PM) FacelessDude: Surprising, I know.

(4/21/2016 10:44:17 PM) FacelessDude: What shape Alucines take (we talked about them and similar things at some point earlier)

(4/21/2016 10:44:18 PM) FacelessDude: ?

(4/21/2016 10:44:49 PM) Alicorn: kappa's the point person on Alucine but I tend to imagine them as being shaped roughly like those nice domey glass paperweights

(4/21/2016 10:44:58 PM) Alicorn: with some variance and some of them taller than they are wide etc

(4/21/2016 10:47:22 PM) FacelessDude: for some reason I imagiend some with sort of pear-like shapes or less regular/weirder

(4/21/2016 10:47:24 PM) DeAnno [DeAnno@PSI-2119C38.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 10:47:30 PM) DeAnno: Wow there are a lot of people here

(4/21/2016 10:47:37 PM) FacelessDude: hi!

(4/21/2016 10:47:41 PM) DeAnno: Hi

(4/21/2016 10:47:54 PM) Teceler: hello

(4/21/2016 10:48:02 PM) atheistcanuck: Hi.

(4/21/2016 10:48:09 PM) DeAnno: I am a person who posts irregularly on the forums and parasitizes glowfic to be entertained and am usually on irc and so this.

(4/21/2016 10:48:41 PM) Teceler: logical

(4/21/2016 10:49:09 PM) Teceler: we have had some bits and pieces of comments on stuff, but mostly tangental discussions

(4/21/2016 10:49:25 PM) DeAnno: That is the way IRC channels usually go, especially with large numbers.

(4/21/2016 10:49:41 PM) FacelessDude: "parasitizes glowfic"?

(4/21/2016 10:49:55 PM) Teceler: I assume 'reads, but doesn't write'

(4/21/2016 10:49:59 PM) DeAnno: Well, I don't write glowfic, and I read a lot of glowfic, so...

(4/21/2016 10:50:08 PM) Teceler: it's rather negative though

(4/21/2016 10:50:13 PM) FacelessDude: yeah

(4/21/2016 10:50:25 PM) DeAnno: It was the word that came to mind. I agree it has a negative connotation.

(4/21/2016 10:50:37 PM) rockeye: consumer

(4/21/2016 10:50:38 PM) FacelessDude: it is okay ^_^

(4/21/2016 10:50:45 PM) FacelessDude: DEVOURER

(4/21/2016 10:50:48 PM) rockeye: audience?

(4/21/2016 10:51:09 PM) DeAnno: Sometimes I think about glowficing things but dreamwidth and pictures and interaction and planning and things.

(4/21/2016 10:51:17 PM) Adelene: meta!Lurker has Opinions on people who read fic and don't write it, if that matters.

(4/21/2016 10:51:21 PM) rockeye: deanno I want to know because I am reckless and curious, am I among your favorites

(4/21/2016 10:51:26 PM) atheistcanuck: Planning is hard.

(4/21/2016 10:51:26 PM) Adelene: The Opinions are 'yes, we need those'. ^^

(4/21/2016 10:51:34 PM) Teceler: aw, Lurker

(4/21/2016 10:51:37 PM) atheistcanuck: Awwwww Lurker <3

(4/21/2016 10:51:41 PM) Adelene: <3

(4/21/2016 10:51:44 PM) FacelessDude: Lurker <3

(4/21/2016 10:51:46 PM) DanielH: <3

(4/21/2016 10:51:52 PM) rockeye: deanno also you can use Constellation, it's much more convenient for glowfic imo

(4/21/2016 10:52:08 PM) atheistcanuck: It's purpose-built so it ought to be.

(4/21/2016 10:52:09 PM) FacelessDude: a lot more

(4/21/2016 10:52:16 PM) DeAnno: My favorite color is Alicorn. I feel rockeye is similar to me in some ways across an integration of characters and different in others. Polarized.

(4/21/2016 10:52:18 PM) FacelessDude: I can't imagine my glowfic without it now

(4/21/2016 10:52:21 PM) DanielH: Also, it would be nice if there were a worldbuilding thread for Alucine.

(4/21/2016 10:52:38 PM) DanielH: Currently most of the information about it is from a character who has lived there all their lives

(4/21/2016 10:52:40 PM) FacelessDude: and Sunrase?

(4/21/2016 10:52:46 PM) FacelessDude: (that is how it is spelled?)

(4/21/2016 10:52:51 PM) rockeye: of course alicorn is the favorite, the original, the apex. She may be outshined one day, but that day is not today.

(4/21/2016 10:52:56 PM) rockeye: suranse, I believe.

(4/21/2016 10:52:56 PM) DanielH: Telling people about it without much context for non-Alucine worlds

(4/21/2016 10:52:57 PM) Alicorn: XDDDD

(4/21/2016 10:53:00 PM) Alicorn: Suranse

(4/21/2016 10:53:14 PM) DanielH: And I *still* don’t get it very much.

(4/21/2016 10:53:17 PM) Kappa [~kappabeta@PSI-961297B4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 10:53:33 PM) Teceler: hello kappa

(4/21/2016 10:53:35 PM) rockeye has changed the topic to: worldbuilding threads and lack thereof

(4/21/2016 10:53:37 PM) Kappa: what happened to the dark side's cookies

(4/21/2016 10:53:40 PM) Alicorn: I can't make the Alucine worldbuilding thread because kappa's proprietary over it and I'm not qualified to field questions on it solo, the balance is different than for the incandescence stuff

(4/21/2016 10:53:45 PM) Teceler: they got turned into a milkshake

(4/21/2016 10:53:58 PM) Kappa: we need publicly posted transcripts

(4/21/2016 10:54:12 PM) DeAnno: I have been thinking about worldbuilding a thing actually but it is only half built and also Ive been not working on it for a few weeks now.

(4/21/2016 10:54:13 PM) Kappa: this channel has existed for a single-digit number of days and it already has injokes i don't get

(4/21/2016 10:54:17 PM) ***Teceler attempts to summon sonatagreen

(4/21/2016 10:54:25 PM) rockeye: who volunteers their effort for that? I'll leave if you try to levy a tax for it.

(4/21/2016 10:54:34 PM) FacelessDude: kappabeta, I turned then into milkshake

(4/21/2016 10:54:38 PM) FacelessDude: them*

(4/21/2016 10:54:43 PM) FacelessDude: (urgh)

(4/21/2016 10:54:45 PM) DanielH: Throne3d greeted everybody this morning with some variant of “Welcome to the dark side.” and cookies.

(4/21/2016 10:54:54 PM) DanielH: It started with saying there weren’t any.

(4/21/2016 10:55:00 PM) DanielH: Then Faceless said he had some.

(4/21/2016 10:55:08 PM) DanielH: Then they got turned into a delicious milkshake.

(4/21/2016 10:55:12 PM) atheistcanuck: actually I still have some cookies.

(4/21/2016 10:55:23 PM) rockeye: I have chips.

(4/21/2016 10:56:29 PM) FacelessDude: delicious banana-cookies-napolitan milkshake, for the record :3

(4/21/2016 10:56:40 PM) Teceler: oh, hey, kappa, Miles has been a delight in 'Let Me Tell You What I Wish I'd Known'

(4/21/2016 10:56:42 PM) FacelessDude: (damn it, I want more...)

(4/21/2016 10:56:49 PM) Kappa: :D

(4/21/2016 10:56:58 PM) Teceler: but it is bugging me that I can't work out exactly where he is in his timeline

(4/21/2016 10:57:13 PM) FacelessDude: Teceler, what you mean is that Miles has been himself in  'Let Me Tell You What I Wish I'd Known'?

(4/21/2016 10:57:13 PM) Kappa: between Dagoola and Earth

(4/21/2016 10:57:32 PM) ***rockeye attempts to start another conversation about *Mute and how I don't think I'm writing her well

(4/21/2016 10:57:35 PM) Teceler: FacelessDude, well, yes, that too

(4/21/2016 10:58:10 PM) Teceler: kappabeta: ...that's not going to cause problems at all on the Nexus end

(4/21/2016 10:58:17 PM) Kappa: hahahahahahahahaha

(4/21/2016 10:58:27 PM) Teceler: rockeye, what do you think you're doing wrong?

(4/21/2016 10:58:50 PM) Teceler: oh dear, maniacal laughter

(4/21/2016 10:59:12 PM) atheistcanuck: DOOM.

(4/21/2016 10:59:12 PM) rockeye: Insufficient grief, paranoia, reactionary/traditional opinions from her current society leaking through, general writer's insecurity.

(4/21/2016 10:59:38 PM) DeAnno: Writer's insecurity, I know that disease well. Leads to paralysis.

(4/21/2016 10:59:47 PM) Teceler: hm

(4/21/2016 11:00:15 PM) Teceler: I've been getting the impression that she's internally filtering her reactions significantly or is dealing with the AI equivalent of shock

(4/21/2016 11:00:21 PM) rockeye: yes

(4/21/2016 11:00:40 PM) Teceler: is that what is intended?

(4/21/2016 11:00:40 PM) FacelessDude: I'm always surprised in hearing about this from other glowficcers

(4/21/2016 11:00:51 PM) FacelessDude: not because I don't experience it, but because I don't see why they should

(4/21/2016 11:01:02 PM) FacelessDude: Rockeye you are great o/

(4/21/2016 11:01:09 PM) DanielH: It is one of the reasons I don’t glowfic. I’d try to get over it, but I also have a severe lack of free time until midsimmer.

(4/21/2016 11:01:12 PM) rockeye: yes, but I feel like it's coming accross stilted. She's trying to poke thoughts 'did this come from my desire to protect the ship? no? burn it.'

(4/21/2016 11:01:14 PM) rockeye: ty

(4/21/2016 11:01:14 PM) Teceler: hey, can anyone in here who does not suffer from writer's insecurity please raise your hand?

(4/21/2016 11:01:30 PM) Teceler: rockeye, you could include more of her internal processing if you wanted

(4/21/2016 11:01:36 PM) Alicorn: I do retroactively but usually not at the time

(4/21/2016 11:01:54 PM) rockeye: the rescue simulation thing remains one of my favorite things fyi

(4/21/2016 11:02:06 PM) atheistcanuck: Writer's insecurity is why I don't actually write much even though I wish I did.

(4/21/2016 11:02:31 PM) DeAnno: I get all these big sweeping ideas and then people have to TALK and I am doomed.

(4/21/2016 11:02:42 PM) rockeye: *nods, nods*

(4/21/2016 11:02:51 PM) ***FacelessDude nods frantically

(4/21/2016 11:03:05 PM) Teceler: yeah, I would like to write more too

(4/21/2016 11:03:14 PM) FacelessDude: I really shouldn't read one more issues of Locke & Key

(4/21/2016 11:03:21 PM) Teceler: Faceless do you need to go sleep?

(4/21/2016 11:03:22 PM) FacelessDude: I really shouldn't... >.<

(4/21/2016 11:03:31 PM) FacelessDude: yes >.>

(4/21/2016 11:03:48 PM) Teceler: are you going to be able to sleep if you try?

(4/21/2016 11:03:52 PM) rockeye: I am doing homework with the irc in one corner of my monitor so I'm gonna quietly lurk now 0/

(4/21/2016 11:04:05 PM) Teceler: good luck with your homework

(4/21/2016 11:04:12 PM) DeAnno: What is it?

(4/21/2016 11:04:15 PM) DeAnno: What subject, I mean

(4/21/2016 11:04:18 PM) rockeye: It's like the third last homework

(4/21/2016 11:04:33 PM) rockeye: uhhh this week is miscible solvent separations

(4/21/2016 11:04:44 PM) DeAnno: Oooh, sounds chemistryish

(4/21/2016 11:04:45 PM) rockeye: (chemical/biological engineering)

(4/21/2016 11:04:58 PM) rockeye: closer to the industrial side than the lab side of things

(4/21/2016 11:05:47 PM) DeAnno: I know a good amount of math and physics but what actual chemistry I remember is little at this point.

(4/21/2016 11:06:16 PM) ***rockeye is now really truly afk

(4/21/2016 11:06:52 PM) FacelessDude: kappabeta, what shape Alucines take?

(4/21/2016 11:07:05 PM) Kappa: Convex shapes.

(4/21/2016 11:07:15 PM) DanielH: Usually roundish?

(4/21/2016 11:07:20 PM) Kappa: Yes.

(4/21/2016 11:08:02 PM) DanielH: Can you describe how Alucine edges work? The usual in-character answer is that they work like Alucine edges, which does not help.

(4/21/2016 11:09:37 PM) FacelessDude: and Sphere edges?

(4/21/2016 11:09:54 PM) Kappa: Sphere edges are mostly undefined at this point. I'll come up with a way they work when I have to.

(4/21/2016 11:10:27 PM) Kappa: Alucine edges appear to contain more of the thing that is next to them. An edge next to air will seem to contain air. An edge next to dirt will seem to contain dirt.

(4/21/2016 11:10:51 PM) DeAnno: But there's like, a force field/wall?

(4/21/2016 11:11:13 PM) Alicorn: hey can you paint an alucine edge

(4/21/2016 11:11:25 PM) Kappa: huh. You might be able to paint it.

(4/21/2016 11:11:43 PM) DanielH: The native Bell said you could pile up a bunch of dirt next to it, and then dig it out, and end up with more dirt than you started with.

(4/21/2016 11:11:53 PM) Kappa: Yes.

(4/21/2016 11:11:57 PM) atheistcanuck: This seems exploitable.

(4/21/2016 11:11:57 PM) DanielH: How?

(4/21/2016 11:12:02 PM) Kappa: The edge is slightly 'fuzzy', and the duplication thing is actually to some extent happening.

(4/21/2016 11:12:34 PM) FacelessDude: (that exploitation thing makes me think of minecraft)

(4/21/2016 11:12:44 PM) FacelessDude: (you know, the infinite stone trick)

(4/21/2016 11:13:02 PM) atheistcanuck: I don't actually know about that trick.

(4/21/2016 11:13:17 PM) DanielH: I do not know the infinite stone trick in Minecraft, except for knowing that most biomes have more stone than I could use.

(4/21/2016 11:13:31 PM) Kappa: If you walk up to an alucine boundary, you can tell it is there: the edge is visually distinct from actually just being more stuff with no edge

(4/21/2016 11:13:48 PM) Kappa: but it's hard to explain exactly how, it just looks slightly off

(4/21/2016 11:14:48 PM) Kappa: the comparison I want to make is to video games, how you can tell apart walkable and non-walkable areas

(4/21/2016 11:15:19 PM) Teceler: hm

(4/21/2016 11:15:30 PM) Teceler: more muted colors?

(4/21/2016 11:15:31 PM) DanielH: In video games there are a number of tricks, but I suppose a good designer will make it clear without you consciously noting the tricks

(4/21/2016 11:15:32 PM) rockeye: 'flat' 'textureless' 'grey'?

(4/21/2016 11:15:43 PM) atheistcanuck: Blurry?

(4/21/2016 11:15:57 PM) FacelessDude: Fences that you can't walk past?

(4/21/2016 11:15:58 PM) Alicorn: psa kappa is intermittently playing zelda with my spouse

(4/21/2016 11:15:59 PM) FacelessDude: even when they are very low

(4/21/2016 11:16:04 PM) FacelessDude: aaaw

(4/21/2016 11:16:13 PM) atheistcanuck: Which Zelda?

(4/21/2016 11:16:27 PM) Alicorn: ocarina

(4/21/2016 11:16:29 PM) DeAnno: Best Zelda!

(4/21/2016 11:16:32 PM) Kappa: <3

(4/21/2016 11:16:50 PM) FacelessDude: Ah, I have a childhood trauma with that game

(4/21/2016 11:16:52 PM) Kappa: anyway, yeah, the closest comparison is definitely "a good designer will make it clear without you consciously noting the tricks"

(4/21/2016 11:16:56 PM) atheistcanuck: I should um....get a Wii U and play that on the virtual console.

(4/21/2016 11:16:57 PM) Kappa: <3

(4/21/2016 11:17:39 PM) DanielH: I should probably play a Zelda at some point. All I know is they sound interesting and that one probably involves time.

(4/21/2016 11:17:44 PM) atheistcanuck: (I'm glad the Final Fantasy games are being released on PC)

(4/21/2016 11:17:51 PM) ***rockeye suddenly thinks of Undertale...

(4/21/2016 11:18:00 PM) atheistcanuck: I should also play Undertale.

(4/21/2016 11:18:10 PM) FacelessDude: Undertale scares me

(4/21/2016 11:18:11 PM) rockeye: Do Not Allow Yourself To See Spoilers

(4/21/2016 11:18:15 PM) DeAnno: I was playing a mod of Ocarina a while ago on computer with different dungeons I think, but I forget what happened with it. I may have been distracted.

(4/21/2016 11:18:23 PM) FacelessDude: sounds like the type of thing that consumes your life until you reach the end

(4/21/2016 11:18:53 PM) DanielH: I don’t usually mind spoilers, but I do more in games than other media.

(4/21/2016 11:19:05 PM) DanielH: The only “spoiler” I have for those is that it’s dangerous to go alone.

(4/21/2016 11:19:11 PM) rockeye: it didn't for me, but let me tell you the big payoff with the true real final boss and the true ending would have been so much less impressive if I had spoilers

(4/21/2016 11:21:19 PM) DanielH has changed the topic to: Zelda and other games

(4/21/2016 11:22:07 PM) rockeye: is it a problem that the topics are reactive/retroactive?

(4/21/2016 11:22:48 PM) ***Teceler shrugs.

(4/21/2016 11:22:57 PM) Teceler: we're not using it for general informational stuff

(4/21/2016 11:22:57 PM) DeAnno: I have seen topics used in a number of ways in IRC channels. Usually the changes are lower frequency, but I do not see the harm.

(4/21/2016 11:23:27 PM) DanielH: This is mainly because people want daily summaries but nobody wants to do the work for that.

(4/21/2016 11:23:48 PM) DanielH: Now you can just search for topic changes in the logs for a rough summary.

(4/21/2016 11:23:53 PM) Teceler: ha

(4/21/2016 11:23:55 PM) Teceler: point

(4/21/2016 11:24:29 PM) atheistcanuck: I mean most channels have at least part of the topic consistent but most of the time that has to do with rules and related channels neither of which we currently have.

(4/21/2016 11:24:34 PM) DeAnno: That is inventive and good. I was mildly concerned that people would be sad to miss stuff since IRC logs become super long.

(4/21/2016 11:24:41 PM) rockeye: there are summary algorithms, NLP and so on I think... I doubt their trustworthiness.

(4/21/2016 11:24:49 PM) Kappa: nlp?

(4/21/2016 11:25:08 PM) DanielH: Natural Language Processing?

(4/21/2016 11:26:43 PM) rockeye: general term for attempts to get programming to do things to language in a feels-right way.

(4/21/2016 11:26:43 PM) rockeye: Or so I thought.

(4/21/2016 11:26:43 PM) DanielH: Yeah

(4/21/2016 11:26:43 PM) DanielH: I just wasn’t sure that was what you meant; in context it looked more like a specific algorithm I didn’t know

(4/21/2016 11:27:29 PM) sonatagreen: I'm trying to find the place where EY said to answer "no comment" if asked whether one is secretly him. Does anyone remember where that was?

(4/21/2016 11:27:57 PM) Alicorn: facebook a while ago I think

(4/21/2016 11:28:35 PM) DanielH: https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10153281263934228

(4/21/2016 11:28:44 PM) DanielH: Yay Google

(4/21/2016 11:30:45 PM) sonatagreen: I think I'm not seeing all the messages in my window here.

(4/21/2016 11:30:55 PM) Kappa: for the record, i am not secretly eliezer yudkowsky

(4/21/2016 11:31:04 PM) Teceler: are you seeing this, sonata?

(4/21/2016 11:31:11 PM) sonatagreen: ...it's fixed now, whatever it was

(4/21/2016 11:31:11 PM) DeAnno: that comment only makes me more suspicious of kappa!

(4/21/2016 11:31:33 PM) sonatagreen: but before Daniel's "Yay Google" I only saw topic changes, not even my own things

(4/21/2016 11:31:41 PM) Teceler: ...that's bizarre

(4/21/2016 11:32:08 PM) sonatagreen: I disabled a couple of plugins just now hoping it would get better, apparently that worked

(4/21/2016 11:32:26 PM) DanielH: Did it work retroactively?

(4/21/2016 11:32:27 PM) sonatagreen: No.

(4/21/2016 11:32:42 PM) sonatagreen: I have an offer for logs, though.

(4/21/2016 11:32:55 PM) DanielH: In that case: https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10153281263934228

(4/21/2016 11:33:25 PM) DanielH: Also I think atheistcanuck and Adelene are the only ones with complete logs

(4/21/2016 11:33:48 PM) teceler2 [~teceler@PSI-5B647610.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 11:34:05 PM) teceler2 left the room (quit: Client exited).

(4/21/2016 11:34:08 PM) atheistcanuck: I don't believe I have complete logs.

(4/21/2016 11:35:02 PM) sonatagreen: My best guess is it was the auto-translate plugin failing gracelessly due to api breakage

(4/21/2016 11:36:03 PM) DanielH: I was not sure about Adelene either.

(4/21/2016 11:36:27 PM) DanielH: I switched clients halfway through the day without making sure my old client was logging. Rockeye, Teceler, and Faceless have been in and out.

(4/21/2016 11:37:01 PM) DanielH: Alicorn, DeAnno, and Kappa only joined recently

(4/21/2016 11:37:26 PM) DeAnno: For future reference, I will have perfect logs of my online time, but I dont leave my laptop on when I'm out or asleep.

(4/21/2016 11:37:41 PM) sonatagreen: ...I should bring MS in here.

(4/21/2016 11:37:51 PM) Kappa: Yes.

(4/21/2016 11:38:14 PM) Teceler: yes

(4/21/2016 11:38:16 PM) atheistcanuck: I also don't stay logged in at night.

(4/21/2016 11:38:18 PM) Alicorn: <S?

(4/21/2016 11:38:22 PM) Alicorn: *MS?

(4/21/2016 11:38:35 PM) Kappa: mother starlight, the account that logged the mwf chat

(4/21/2016 11:38:48 PM) Alicorn: oh

(4/21/2016 11:39:13 PM) Teceler: if anyone has logs from bits I missed (I don't think I missed much?) or from before I came in and sonata wants those too

(4/21/2016 11:39:26 PM) rockeye: my computer's on mostly 24/7 but it would be annoying to be required to figure out how to logs

(4/21/2016 11:39:42 PM) MotherStarlight [~mothersta@PSI-500F7356.rdns.lunanode.com] entered the room.

(4/21/2016 11:39:42 PM) mode (+qo MotherStarlight MotherStarlight) by ChanServ