Present:  Simon Poole, Paul Norman, Michael Collinson

Apologies:

Minutes by: Michael

1. Adoption of Minutes of last meeting

Oct 22

Note: This editable minute link is for LWG members only. A public version is normally available at http://www.osmfoundation.org

Proposed: Paul

Seconded: Simon

Accepted

• 2013-08- 27 Mike/Paul DMCA procedure doc:

• Finalise for for board by 2013-10-29
• - Generate templates for various stages

• 2013-08- 27 Mike - Facebook logins: Ask legal counsel whether there is any general risk to the project and its data if Facebook feel we do not match their policies.
• 2013-08- 27 All - Review Paul’s paper “Geocoding, ODbL and derivative works“ https://hackpad.com/Geocoding-ODbL-and-derivative-works-bVZap3hMc67
• 2013-10-22 Mike - Legal counsel ... under DMCA we really *must* restore data if a contributor files a counter notice? No discretion despite CTs saying that we do?
• 2013-11-05 Mike Respond to Wikimapia and update complainants of what has happened.

3. Finalise today’s agenda

4. Geocoding and Share-Alike triggering

This was the sole agenda item today. We are looking at providing statements to allow folks to relatively freely do geocoding and have clear guidelines as to whether information that they are separately holding and pertains to those locations falls under share-alike requirements. Any such statements will require consensus agreement from the contributor community and formal sign-off by the OSMF via the board ... until that point, any minuted discussion here remains just that, discussion and has no formal validity!

We had a semi-structured conversation on how to move forward and more specifically on the necessity of having a tight definition of geocoding, (it means different things to different folks),  to prevent what are really general extracts of OSM data to be done under the guise of geocoding.

One interesting and broadly agreed observation is that if you geocode something, you either just get one result back or a set of results from which you need to select just one.  This is good because it prohibits doing filtered searching under the guise of geocoding. E.g. search for the “Pub, Stockholm” and you cannot use the big list you get back and pretend that it is geocoding.

The general results of our discussion will be seen in the evolution of the following two informal research documents. We will merge these together later as a more formal expression of LWG intent at a later date:

https://hackpad.com/Geocoding-ODbL-and-derivative-works-bVZap3hMc67 (Paul’s document)

https://docs.google.com/a/osmfoundation.org/document/d/1Ag81OlT1TtnhYwVE-bBtL018SNoU_V-anG4wLdwMT4c/edit (Mike’s document)

Any comment or request for involvement in the discussions is welcomed.

The meeting closed at 20:05.  

Here are some broad areas of agreement in our discussion and via subsequent email.

5. AOB

Next Meeting:

Tuesday 19th November at 19:00 GMT/UTC