// updated note as of 12/02/2024 : HUGE TW AND CW FOR rape, necrophilia, and CP)
I only screenshot bits our conversation as a means to not communicate further within Twitter direct messages as I am now uncomfortable, also considering you said I confused you with my logic and response to you.
@sttcduongden (documento en español)
I am leaving these two documents behind once more so that anything mentioned here, without additional context or images, can be directly referenced within the larger document. I have provided you with the ability to view the specific images that I deemed most important, complete with dates—clearly illustrating actions taken during their our equally shared adulthood.
I am 18 years old as of right now, and I am a victim of sexual abuse, since infancy to adulthood, which radicalized my understanding of sex in general in society.
However within reason, rape and pedophilia are touchy triggers for me, but those don’t mean I am naive to the mental illnesses associated with the fetishes nor the consequences that both fictional and physical rape content and csem/csam content have. Especially with how both so easily intertwine with each other on social media… My sexual abusers actively consumed animated pedophilic content that always consisted of rape to encourage me when I was a child to act out sexually with them.
So, even if the artist didn’t initially create pedophillic content, I knew from extensive research and experience that their fetish with rape would extend into pedophilia and or inappropriate situations with minors publicly at least, yet …I was publicly shamed for calling it out early despite being right.
Also….
The reason why this behavior is being called grooming or likened to conditioning is that they directly normalize criminal acts. It is heartbreaking to hear my mutual friends, who are minors, realize that this artist and their fans are sexualizing the idea of a child being abused and it being a perfectly fine concept to “fantasize”—especially as they themselves are children. This includes the glorification of rape against those in completely vulnerable positions or straight up are dead.
Normalizing rape and pedophilia and being shocked people think you’re grooming it into your audience isn’t really a hard equation to reach
( I create pornographic content and am politically active in the sex industry. Therefore, I do have the experience to say I am not a puritan who believes that the adult aspects of any community need to be entirely free of imperfections or strict moral standards, as I have previously explained to you.)
Duong clearly agrees with victims regarding the issue of grooming, but only when it aligns with upholding their appearance online— anyone else and they will actively put them down or ignore them.
Also, I previously got this “random artist” [2bd] suspended that Duong is retweeting from for drawing… fictional child porn, baby fluffy grunt porn, and zoophilia. Which by no surprise means that they still have similar adjacent content on their new account. 2bd and a few others mentioned here frequently interact with Duong in their comments, with Duong responding and exchanging very sympathetic remarks with them regarding their disturbing kinks.
( They’re an adult here )
It is crucial to note that you and I are not in remotely comparable positions of power in this situation. Every action you take carries significantly more weight than mine, despite your lack of understanding of my experiences and those of other rapist survivors who are speaking out against this artist.
Please refrain from mentioning me in group settings. Not only does it make me uncomfortable, but you made other people uncomfortable, however this impacts me more than it will ever impact you and them. This is exactly what I predicted would happen, and I kindly warned you about it directly.
Despite this, you proceeded and misrepresented me, implying that I’m just a “jealous artist” who lacks the artistic skills of the person you commissioned. As a cartoonist, I have no interest in pursuing the realistic style that this individual uses nor is their art style unique. It is extremely disappointing that you assume I am envious of someone who has a history of creating rape, necrophilia, and is now even depicting the character YOU voice acted for the game a… Rapist, molesting pedophile who wants to fuck little boys.
( I have previously experienced harassment in similar situations. So, I know It is greatly apparent that you genuinely lack any understanding of the strain and stress this situation causes me. So, again, please just stop it. )
(They were a minor here)
I am two months older than them; I am also 18. However, as a minor— which means both of us, I publicly reached out to duong to express that their creations were harmful to them mentally, given my own detailed experience as a rape survivor. A year ago, their response was essentially to mock me and other peoples’ efforts, and they have made no effort since then to address their behavior or that of their hostile mutuals toward me. They are not blameless in this situation, so please stop willfully ignoring this in your support of them due to your bias. It's frankly frustrating, and it will have consequences on how other people perceive you without me ever having to do anything.
( This is not a threat; I am simply addressing the issue I’ve been unwillingly drawn into due to your conversations with others. You cannot compare my involvement in this situation to me involving yours, as our motivations, contexts, and moral considerations are entirely different. I raised my concerns, yet you have only questioned the validity of my concerns in the most dismissive terms. It isn’t very difficult to recognize that your public support of a creator like this carries greater consequences than any of my actions in these given circumstances. )
(They’re an adult here)
Hans, it’s been about 32 days since they made that statement. However, as a direct result of me calling them out—not yours—they now “prefer” that minors do not interact with them. That said, this isn’t particularly impressive; they were aware that what they said before was wrong—and as YOU mentioned, they “knew this for two years.” This alleged fact does not support any claims of them trying their best to “learn and mature” that you have repeatedly presented to me.
This was more recently, I only post this as an example of them only taking a sliver of a centimeter of accountability that minors shouldn’t be interacting with them, which again, they knew shouldn’t have been happening from the start when they were 17, as other minors were directly telling them to stop for their safety, but no, the way you have decided to approach this whole situation leaves me thinking that you find it excusable or it’s just not that big of a deal.
You spoke with my partner once and with me twice, yet you still act as if you are unsure about what position to take simply because I criticized Skelstudios for commissioning this artist. Honestly, Hans, I initially and PUBLICLY excused your decision to commission them once we talked because I assumed you would know better afterward. However, you continue to display a clear bias toward them—whether you recognize it or not, though I believe you do.
(They’re an adult here)
I believe that my addressing their problematic behavior, which negatively impacts abuse victims and promotes rhetoric that normalizes harmful actions, is publicly more justified than their threats to break into my house, beat me up, and mock me for my financial situation. The “slander” I could possibly inflict on them pales in comparison to this. Additionally, during this fit I experienced a significant increase in harassment directed at me following their fans reaching out to them after I spoke out about their behavior, also a lot of normal people don’t really like messing with people who jerk off to necrophilia, rape, and pedophilia regardless of their sad backstories and troubled histories.
Many people still view their actions as recent and dismissive of rape victims, even if some actions did occur while they were a minor. Adults and minors in my age group—which I share with this artist by just two months—understand that consuming such content is historically detrimental psychologically, as it diminishes the seriousness of rape for those victims of it and exposed to it. This has been thoroughly documented and studied, and you instead can force yourself to find this information. I feel I have already exhausted myself on this matter without any truly meaningful conversation, especially if you perceive me as merely envious.
The oc is 16 years old
( They’re an adult here )
Anyways, this behavior goes beyond mere immaturity. It should not be necessary for me to repeatedly explain that creating pedophilic content is unacceptable even if it’s “fictional” and even if it was made during an underage state of being (they were an adult here)—— also If the moderation team on this platform were actually more effective, such content would be removed and subject to penalties. On Newgrounds, for example, it directly violates the terms of service for posting artwork on there, as most of the moderators there—along with most artists—understand the serious implications of depicting fictional pedophilia and the potential real-world consequences it can have.
(( As stated earlier I have gotten people banned for creating related content on Twitter, even if it was fictional. This demonstrates that such content is not acceptable, although the moderation processes on most websites tend to be inconsistent. ))
After awhile, and what I’ve recently learned, you can’t really blame me for feeling like you’ve put more effort into dismissing their actions as mere immaturity, continuing to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who has consistently caused harm and used others to harm me directly.
( Keep in mind that they follow Sora, who sent me various messages. I won’t include screenshots here, as they are already included in the larger document, along with some of our interactions before and after Duong befriended them as a reward for harassing me and my partner. )
This situation is not solely “all on me”— especially when I’m out here receiving rape threats, self-harm gore, consistent stalking and harassment from this artists’ mutuals and then hear from multiple people that you have been speaking negatively about me, treating me as a subject of gossip rather than as a survivor addressing a serious issue. I do not appreciate your continuously misguided approach here, even if that was your stance prior to our last conversation. I have every right to feel uncomfortable about being seen as a relentless hater who is merely jealous.
I have repeatedly pointed out that the artist was creating problematic content while they were still a minor.
Despite this, they did nothing to reconsider their actions. I anticipated this outcome, as I witnessed numerous adults in your age group encouraging them to further engage in harmful behavior and create artwork that satisfies their needs for validation and approval. I initially asked others older than me not to harass this artist but to simply block them. It's clear that they are not experiencing harassment to the same extent as I am.
Instead, many contributed to the harm this individual faced as a minor. However, as they approached their 18th birthday, they began luring other minors, particularly those who were 17, into interacting more freely with abusive material.
—-After this, I had mentioned to you that many other minors, far below the preferred age range, were frequently interacting with their content. A notable example is a 13-year-old who recently lied about being 16 to bypass Duong’s stated preferred age range for “quiet” interaction (despite them roleplaying under their artwork). This is why people consider their behavior grooming and or abusive—because in what context does an artist encourage 15-year-olds to engage with pornographic material and suggest they must be “discreet about it” to avoid getting the artist in trouble, even if it’s more of an audience issue than a personal one, it’s still too close to the sun to not end up falling in direct association with grooming even if it’s unique in its own way.
Please, Hans, take a moment to seriously consider this. Think about it—would you truly be comfortable with an adult encouraging and also advising your child to be secretive about engaging with their pornographic material in a more personal level, especially when they are fully aware of minors interacting with them? Especially when they for the longest of time have made no serious effort to separate mature audiences from younger ones, despite repeatedly being told that it’s inappropriate, both before and after reaching adulthood.
Genuinely not sure how else to take this comment from you.
Basically, you unfairly label me as suspicious and possibly insinuate that I’m creepy for expressing concern about minors who have recently reached out to us regarding Duong and their lack of standards. I have mentioned this in both our current and previous conversations: Duong regularly interacted or dismissed the interactions with individuals who had their ages displayed in their bios. Despite their recent shift to a “MDNI” stance, it’s evident that they had no issue with these interactions until I raised the concern.
As someone who creates adult content, it’s entirely not difficult to check who you’re engaging with, whether they are a minor or an adult. While I understand that it can be more complicated if someone is just lurking and not directly interacting with you, it literally takes just a couple of seconds to check an account for their age or date of birth if they are literally roleplaying in your comments or engaging with your content. (Especially if they are of prominence).
( They’re a minor here, but that doesn’t excuse the fact they were creeping on turning 18, and other people both minors and adults exposed to their content asked them to stop, or denounced their twisted interests because of the real life consequences it has on people mentally… )
Also, Daydi would’ve just turned 17, while the AoC varies between people that interacted with Duong, I don’t think it justifies an artist that outwardly knew that the age standard for engaging with pornographic content is 18+ to allow it nor participate in it themselves.
Again, legal AoC for Duong would still be 18, even if it was different for others.
These two images relate to the paragraphs above. Given your distant comment about them turning 18 in January, it indicates that they had no problem with a 17-year-old interacting with their content.
Despite multiple minors interacting with Duong …I chose to highlight this other artist for a few reasons: 1) they are now an adult, unlike the unnamed minors, and 2) they have 1,200 followers, making them far from insignificant.
And… When they were a minor, their public interactions with this Duong brought increased attention to their abusive pornographic material, which negatively impacted me and my mutual friends when we were underage. We did not ask for that content to be exposed to us, EVEN after we went out of our way to block the Duong.
Yet, this cycle of their content being exposed to people who’ve blocked them continues due to the overwhelming support their account receives for its so-called "epic cool edgy art style”.
As a rape survivor knowledgeable about rape culture, I was willing to extend myself despite the exhaustion this situation has caused me due to the severe harassment I have received. However, after learning how you perceived me earlier today, just hours before your last message, I regret ever being considerate enough to hold my tongue and listen to your repeated hesitance and ongoing efforts to downplay this person's actions. I do not wish to make our interaction public, again this document was to shorten the conversation between us—- especially considering you said you were making your own timeline of events yourself to prove the innocence of this artist.
I’m not exactly sure how to go about the fact that your behavior made people uncomfortable enough to reach out to me. I have no control over how others perceive you or how they’ll choose to gossip regarding this. I fucking hate this. Furthemore. This isn't a matter that can be resolved with legal terms; it is fundamentally about morals and how far you are willing to be considerate of those negatively affected by this problematic content.
The earlier information provided was brought to me without my solicitation. Thanks, however, it was clearly a matter of genuine concern for those involved with you, given the public knowledge about this artist and what only I can see, from our repeated interactions, your repeated stance in support or act of considerable doubt for them. I just am left in a position where I hope you can change, this has really sucked as someone who was a big fan of your work.
Overall, I recognize that you are not a bad person, and I trust that, even if you harbor negative feelings toward me, you will take this information into consideration.
This situation is clearly complex, but having to repeatedly revisit and reexamine it at the expense of my own well-being—without meaningful support from those in more powerful positions—has been deeply disappointing. Notably, aside from Krinkels’ private denouncement of this artist when confronted by an unnamed popular artist of more significance than me, he was willing to withdraw his financial support upon reviewing my document.
Additionally, several members of his moderation team were contacted separately before I reached out, and they all expressed similar feelings of disgust toward the artist, regardless of their backstory, due to the harm they present and have actively caused within our community.
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I would like to clarify that my intention is not to threaten you or your livelihood in any way. This is merely a discussion regarding issues that I believe we can address as reasonable individuals, particularly concerning someone whose actions are causing harm to our community.
However, if you persist in suggesting legal action, I will feel obligated to consult with legal counsel to provide them with the relevant details for a thorough assessment of the situation. Based on my past experiences with similar situations on Twitter, I have found that such matters typically do not progress and often pertain more to social and moral dilemmas than to legal issues. This is why I have not been particularly concerned, but rather personally upset by the ongoing circumstances.
I am not accusing you of anything beyond a lack of awareness, ignorance and a broadly significant misunderstanding of the situation, which is insufficient grounds for legal action and my interactions publicly do not violate Twitter’s Terms of Service.
Mentioning this information to compare to other defamation cases online. In fact, I publicly defended you during our last conversation, clarifying your position on this matter. Therefore, any potentially significant claims that could be misconstrued would likely have little impact, given both our public statements regarding this situation.
Lastly, as someone who stays informed about political and specific incidents related to online defamation cases, I can assure you that pursuing any legal action in this situation would require significantly more compelling evidence, which frankly is not present here. I mention this particularly because I have organized and dated screenshots of my interactions with you and the Skelstudios account, and nothing that has transpired between us is sufficient to warrant any action.