Q:  The space that seems to appear full of objects, is surely no other than space shaping itself into many forms but still remaining as space. My laptop I am typing on is therefore space appearing as a laptop. It can't be an object seperate from space, because it couldn't appear, could it. But space and time are made out of mind because they have reality relative to that which observes the appearances.
 
So even if there was a world that existed independent of any observer, it couldn't be known. It would be silly to deny the existence of anything, though,  because surely light seems to enter the eye and form an image in the brain. I am beginning to see that when it is pointed to that the universe appears in awareness as awareness, the mind is seen as a creator of form from the formless. But mind activity such as perception, sensation and thought, are no other than awareness appearing to itself in form, but also not changing its original form. Because if it did change its original form of knowingness, it couldn't know any appearance.
 
Therefore, when we talk about concepts labeling and pointing to objects but not actually being the object, one could also say that the so called object, whether its an apple a planet or an anxious feeling, they simply point to the ever present nowness, in which, and as which, everything arises- including the thought "I am an individual".
 
It seems then that feeling oneself to be an individual is always pointing to another possibility in the eternal NOW. The story therefore can continue for this apparent individual or character, but there is a recognition that being being an individual is seen as a story or play only. There seems to be a relaxation in that realization, because what you thought you were is no longer at stake.


A:  Yes, very nice.  "one could also say that the so called object, whether its an apple a planet or an anxious feeling, they simply point to the ever present nowness, in which, and as which, everything arises- including the thought "I am an individual"."

You are seeing that the mind translates this indescribable immediacy into stories and THAT is duality itself.  THIS can never be separated by a thought, simply because thought appears IN this nondual immediacy.

THIS, right here and now, is all there is.  Past and future come NOW as thoughts.  This moment doesn't move - the concepts move within the moment - the changes are measured (translated) which create the illusion of time and space in mind only.

And THIS is nondual - not-two....  Oneness.  Wholeness.  Limitlessness.  It is the mind which interprets THIS and in that interpretation the veil of separation is created.  Yet it can only be the wholeness itself translating, being fooled, and recovering from the foolishness or "ignorance".

When this is clearly seen, the swinging pendulum of past and future scream to a halt, along with the stories dependent on these concepts.  What remains is what already IS - THIS.  And then the mind can translate to it's content - once the mirage is seen as a mirage - it may still appear as water yet we no longer seek to quench our thirst.