[17:03] Keystone Bouchard: Hey man!
[17:03] Keystone Bouchard: gotta send out notice - one sec
[17:03] Kvasir Olbracht: hola man!
[17:03] Kvasir Olbracht: sure...
[17:05] You decline University of Alabama College of, UA ESPRMC (185, 101, 26) from A group member named Keystone Bouchard.
[17:06] Keystone Bouchard: Howdy!
[17:06] Keystone Bouchard: we'll get started in a bit
[17:06] Cilian McCullough: NP!
[17:06] Cilian McCullough: Looking forward to it...
[17:07] PeterG Ember: Hi all.
[17:07] PeterG Ember: Jon, you've hybridized your av I see. :-)
[17:07] Keystone Bouchard: Howdy!
[17:07] Keystone Bouchard: yeah, i'm back to cowboy architect
[17:07] Keystone Bouchard: but at least I have human skin... a compromise
[17:08] Keystone Bouchard: wonder if I can pull any twitterers in here
[17:08] Keystone Bouchard: oh well, we can get started!
[17:08] Keystone Bouchard: thanks for coming!
[17:08] Keystone Bouchard: as you probably know we're in our 4th Wikitecture experiment - 'Re-inventing the virtual classroom'
[17:08] Keystone Bouchard: this project is sponsored by the University of Alabama, who has commissioned the project
[17:09] Keystone Bouchard: This is a collaborative design project, where we all work together to co-create a final design solution
[17:09] Keystone Bouchard: it isn't a competition...
[17:09] Keystone Bouchard: though we do split a $250k Linden award at the end
[17:09] Keystone Bouchard: based on contribution assessment
[17:09] Keystone Bouchard: that the community collectively determines
[17:09] tree: Rezzing Design #1225987868 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[17:09] Keystone Bouchard: we use this tool - we call the Wiki-tree
[17:10] Keystone Bouchard: to store and retrieve the designs as they're submitted by community members
[17:10] Keystone Bouchard: everyone can vote positive, or vote negative -
[17:10] Keystone Bouchard: everyone gets a total of 3+ and 3- to cast
[17:10] Keystone Bouchard: each design submitted also has a website component
[17:10] Keystone Bouchard: where you can upload screenshots, leave comments, etc.
[17:10] Keystone Bouchard: if you click the leaf spheres above, it rezzes that design - submitted by a community member
[17:11] Keystone Bouchard: we have 4 or 5 up already.... i'll cycle through them now...
[17:11] Keystone Bouchard: currently the leaves are all green - but that's because we jus thad to reset it
[17:11] Keystone Bouchard: typically they turn either red or green based on their popularity with the community
[17:11] Keystone Bouchard: very popular ideas turn bright green, not so popular ones turn dark red
[17:11] tree: Rezzing Design #1223742666 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[17:12] Keystone Bouchard: notice how the 'active leaf' cube changes when I click on the leaf
[17:12] Keystone Bouchard: this was just one of the seed designs we submitted to test the tree
[17:12] tree: Rezzing Design #1223741444 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[17:12] Keystone Bouchard: this one too... just a seed
[17:12] tree: Rezzing Design #1224629433 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[17:12] Keystone Bouchard: this is Veeyawn's! =)
[17:12] tree: Rezzing Design #1225216127 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[17:12] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: I think you guys just replaced my design
[17:13] Keystone Bouchard: oh no! you do'nt have it saved?
[17:13] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: Soem of it
[17:13] Keystone Bouchard: ack!
[17:13] Keystone Bouchard: that's terrible =(
[17:13] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: It's alright, not much was lost, didn't realize the area got cleared by the tree
[17:13] Keystone Bouchard: yeah, this parcel is mostly for reviewing designs and submitting - if the prims have the script in them, they'll get swept away by the tree
[17:14] Max Ballard: when is the deadline? December?
[17:14] Keystone Bouchard: this one rezzed now is called the interactive classroom.... has lots of scripted elemeents
[17:14] Keystone Bouchard: yeah, we moved it back one week - Dec. 11th I believe
[17:14] Keystone Bouchard: yeah, Dec. 11th
[17:14] tree: Rezzing Design #1225218901 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[17:14] feedback system: Negative Vote applied to design: 1225218901
[17:14] tree: Rezzing Design #1224628800 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[17:15] tree: Rezzing Design #1225414597 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[17:15] tree: Rezzing Design #1225987868 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[17:15] Keystone Bouchard: this one ois pretty cool from above
[17:15] Keystone Bouchard: if you cam up there
[17:16] Cilian McCullough: Megaprims OK?
[17:16] Keystone Bouchard: yeah, as long as you have full permissions
[17:16] Cilian McCullough: ok
[17:16] Keystone Bouchard: so, at this point in the project, people are kind of brainstorming all kinds of ideas
[17:17] Keystone Bouchard: but what we hope eventually happens is we start borrowing the best ideas and combining them
[17:17] Keystone Bouchard: that's when we start to see some real synergy.. for example, the interactive classroom idea combined with Veeyawn's floating classroom, or this floating platform - could be an interesteing design on its own
[17:18] Cilian McCullough: absolutely
[17:18] Cilian McCullough: a couple of questions on the intiial brief?
[17:18] Keystone Bouchard: each of these designs you just saw rezzed are free for the taking to improve, modify, etc.
[17:18] Keystone Bouchard: go ahead
[17:18] Cilian McCullough: the brief says 6 classrtooms for 30 avs each (or so I think)
[17:19] Max Ballard: it's impossible
[17:19] Cilian McCullough: Would seem perhaps more useful to have a large aufditorium area nad a few smaller satellite classrooms
[17:19] Cilian McCullough: you are not often going to have 30 avs in a class for example
[17:19] Keystone Bouchard: that's a very good point...
[17:19] Keystone Bouchard: a couple of things regarding that question..
[17:20] Keystone Bouchard: in case you didn't catch the question Mootly: the brief says 6 classrtooms for 30 avs each (or so I think)
[17:19] Max Ballard: it's impossible
[17:19] Cilian McCullough: Would seem perhaps more useful to have a large aufditorium area nad a few smaller satellite
[17:20] Mootly Obviate: why's it impossible?
[17:20] Keystone Bouchard: first of all, the brief itself is relatively flexible... the University wants us to collectively brainstorm this concept, and provide our input and advice
[17:21] Keystone Bouchard: second - if you want to ask questions like that directly of the University of Alabama, they have established a focus group and are available to answer any questions you may have
[17:21] Keystone Bouchard: they are using the Forum to communicate - let me get the link...
[17:21] Cilian McCullough: ok good
[17:21] Keystone Bouchard: the brief says 6 classrtooms for 30 avs each (or so I think)
[17:19] Max Ballard: it's impossible
[17:19] Cilian McCullough: Would seem perhaps more useful to have a large aufditorium area nad a few smaller satellite
[17:21] Keystone Bouchard: oops - nevermind that... lol
[17:21] Keystone Bouchard: http://studiowikitecture.wikidot.com/forum:start
[17:21] Cilian McCullough: sorry lag!
[17:22] Keystone Bouchard: that link will get you to the forum -
[17:22] Cilian McCullough: chat msg sequence out of order
[17:22] Keystone Bouchard: where you'll see the category 'University of Alabama Questions and FEedback'
[17:22] Cilian McCullough: cool
[17:22] Keystone Bouchard: so, if you have any specific questions, ask them there
[17:22] Cilian McCullough: will do
[17:22] Keystone Bouchard: finally, i'll also say that it might not necessarily be impossible...
[17:22] Kvasir Olbracht: are they looking for a virtual representation of a 'class room' or are they looking for an effective means to deliver content in a virtual space?
[17:23] Keystone Bouchard: for example, something someone brought up in the forum was the use of holo-rezzers
[17:23] Cilian McCullough: Exactly Kvasir
[17:23] Keystone Bouchard: since you'd never use 6 classrooms with 30 each at any given moment - perhaps its just 1 classroom available - but the professor gets to choose which classroom design they use - appropriate to that course
[17:23] Cilian McCullough: great idea
[17:24] Keystone Bouchard: they are looking for an effective means to deliver content in a virtual space...
[17:24] Cilian McCullough: and perhaps a selection based on class size
[17:24] Keystone Bouchard: innovation - re-inventing the virtual classroom
[17:24] Cilian McCullough: often the SL dynamic is missed completely
[17:24] Cilian McCullough: well thanks for the info
[17:24] Second Life: Your object 'Holo-Emitter System v1.0' has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder from parcel 'University of Alabama College of Education' at UA ESPRMC -103, 334 because it went off-world.
[17:24] Veeyawn Spoonhammer accepted your inventory offer.
[17:24] Max Ballard accepted your inventory offer.
[17:24] Mootly Obviate accepted your inventory offer.
[17:25] PeterG Ember accepted your inventory offer.
[17:25] Kvasir Olbracht accepted your inventory offer.
[17:25] Cilian McCullough accepted your inventory offer.
[17:25] Keystone Bouchard: that's an open source holo-rez system
[17:25] Cilian McCullough: thanbks
[17:25] Kvasir Olbracht: cool..
[17:25] Keystone Bouchard: you could use that to build the kind of holodeck classroom we're talking about
[17:25] Cilian McCullough: nifty
[17:25] Cilian McCullough: ok
[17:25] Kvasir Olbracht: the essence of the problem is that classrooms have certain limitations based on the physical nature of reality...
[17:26] Kvasir Olbracht: what i have seen so far, is simply a virtual representation of those limitations..
[17:26] Kvasir Olbracht: it seems.
[17:26] Cilian McCullough: Yes
[17:26] Keystone Bouchard: yes, exactly
[17:26] Keystone Bouchard: that's the whole point of this exercise - to challenge that notion
[17:26] Cilian McCullough: making the most of what's possible seems to be the trick
[17:26] Cilian McCullough: not replicating what's been done
[17:26] Mootly Obviate: yep, the workable substitute mindset
[17:26] Mootly Obviate: as opposed to the clean slate
[17:27] Kvasir Olbracht: well you realy have to reconsider what the notion of a class is...
[17:27] Keystone Bouchard: i want to cover one obvious point that most of you probably already know - but you need to click the very base of the Wiki-tree in order to get a password
[17:27] Keystone Bouchard: then you can use that to access the website: http://www.studiowikitecture.com/UA
[17:27] Kvasir Olbracht: a campus where people come at certain times to recieve or deliver specific content..
[17:27] Lilli Field: hi everyone
[17:27] Keystone Bouchard: Hi Lilli! =)
[17:27] Cilian McCullough: Hi Lilli
[17:28] Kvasir Olbracht: does that then imply some interface?
[17:28] Kvasir Olbracht: a relationship between student and content.... or teacher and content?
[17:28] Keystone Bouchard: both
[17:28] Cilian McCullough: thaks Keystone, I look forward to the build..
[17:28] Cilian McCullough: bye everyone
[17:28] Keystone Bouchard: seeya Cilian!
[17:29] Kvasir Olbracht: well.. im just a bit amused by the obviously learnid campus building behind here....
[17:29] Keystone Bouchard: it has iconic value... since the architecture of their real life campus is a big part of their identity - it has value toward that end
[17:29] Kvasir Olbracht: the container of the content is esssentialy an ideagram in this instance...
[17:30] Kvasir Olbracht: so a classroom must then be also associated with that identity.
[17:30] Kvasir Olbracht: even though, it may have little physical value.
[17:30] Mootly Obviate: well, more sort of negative physical value, since the physicality is creating more limits than valences
[17:31] Kvasir Olbracht: indeed.
[17:31] Mootly Obviate: though if they want the image of the campus, we could take a portion of the campus and reconceive it
[17:31] Mootly Obviate: i mean, the best learning space in SL is probably and empty sandbox
[17:31] Keystone Bouchard: I put some of the materials from the campus here... to borrow from, in that case
[17:31] Keystone Bouchard: yes Mootly, exactly!
[17:31] Keystone Bouchard: Maybe they don't need any 'classroom' at all
[17:31] Max Ballard: agree
[17:31] Max Ballard: ))
[17:32] Keystone Bouchard: put that up in the forum!
[17:32] Kvasir Olbracht: does the campus or the classroom serve as some sort of 'interface'
[17:32] Kvasir Olbracht: ?
[17:32] Keystone Bouchard: or, submit it as a leaf to the tree... a blank prim... then go to the website, and add a description... that the classroom in virtual space is a state of mind ;-) it makes sense, and could definitely inform the larger conversation here
[17:33] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: I think the classroom becomes and interface but also it should serve to remind the humans behind the avatars of the traditional learning spaces
[17:33] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: Until we all move past what that means in RL anyway
[17:33] Kvasir Olbracht: for instance.... in a sand box... where would the instructor be?
[17:33] Kvasir Olbracht: how might one identify content, to consider and learn,,, from other things...
[17:33] Kvasir Olbracht: suchs as walls, or dooors?
[17:33] Keystone Bouchard: i agree Veeyawn
[17:34] Keystone Bouchard: we all learn to organize the world, visually, at a very early age based on famliar cues and patterns... those apply in any enviornment, real or virtual
[17:35] Mootly Obviate: well, the instructor could be under the name tag that says instructor ... the benefit of virtual worlds is the ability to promote collaborative and engaged learning
[17:35] Mootly Obviate: though spatiality could be used to create cues as well as objects
[17:35] Kvasir Olbracht: i think that spaces sometimes can be usefull to form interfaces....
[17:35] Max Ballard: do you really look at the person you're chatting with, when you're in SL? it doesn't matter where he stands
[17:35] studentSeat: Hand should raise
[17:35] Kvasir Olbracht: like keystone implies... certain aspects of RL tent to make us think about certain things....
[17:36] Keystone Bouchard: but there's also the aspect of memorable experience as well... when a learning exchange happens in a memorable setting, the student is more likely to retain that information - I think virtual environments offer a lot in that regard...
[17:36] Kvasir Olbracht: a window.. you look out of... a door you open to go inside..
[17:36] Kvasir Olbracht: a button... you.
[17:36] studentSeat: Hand should raise
[17:36] Kvasir Olbracht: ahaha..
[17:36] Mootly Obviate: a pathway you travel down, a vista you look across, but they both may lack objects to define them
[17:37] Keystone Bouchard: a classroom behind a waterfall in a jungle ;-)
[17:37] Keystone Bouchard: but either way, those could be user-defined experiences...
[17:37] Keystone Bouchard: and change on the fly
[17:37] Mootly Obviate: on the other hand, I suppose if they are asking for a classroom as classroom is what they will want, however experimental it may be
[17:38] Kvasir Olbracht: class space...
[17:38] Keystone Bouchard: I think they're asking us to figure out how to make the virtual learning experience most effective
[17:38] Kvasir Olbracht: pick up a book!!
[17:38] Kvasir Olbracht: AHAHAHAHa
[17:38] Keystone Bouchard: maybe the way to re-invent the virtual classroom is to eliminate the 'room'
[17:38] Kvasir Olbracht: (kidding)
[17:39] PeterG Ember: is this just about defining space or are they hoping for interactive learning tools, too?
[17:39] Keystone Bouchard: both - again, wahtever makes instruction most effective
[17:39] Mootly Obviate: that's why i was suggesting knowing the campus ... for instance, an outdoor commons familiar to students might be a better virtual classroom, depending on form, that a building
[17:39] Keystone Bouchard: that's not really part of the specific assignment, per-se - but in SL, the line between technology and the architecture gets blurry
[17:40] Kvasir Olbracht: they should be able to spank students.... teachers would love that.
[17:40] Max Ballard: )
[17:40] Mootly Obviate: but then we'd have virtual lawsuits and it would all be messy
[17:41] Keystone Bouchard: I think its also worth considering that some instructors might not feel comfortable with that freedom... and can teach more effectively in a traditional classroom space
[17:41] Kvasir Olbracht: virtual lawers too..
[17:41] Keystone Bouchard: and, some students might *learn more effectively in a traditional classroom space... because something about 'classroom' activates a part of their mind that says 'i'm here to learn'
[17:41] Kvasir Olbracht: are teachers required in virtual learning envirnments..
[17:41] Kvasir Olbracht: ?
[17:41] Mootly Obviate: tru, but faculty in that context would be most likely inclined to not use the space at all, because it is no longer traditional
[17:42] Kvasir Olbracht: neo-traditional.
[17:42] Mootly Obviate: still, we have an interesting opportunity for creating engagement
[17:42] Keystone Bouchard: i keep coming back to the idea that we can offer a menu of choices
[17:42] Mootly Obviate: as opposed to an interesting venue for an academic youtube
[17:43] Keystone Bouchard: and the classroom becomes reflexive - insofar as it responds to the number of students, the desires of the instructor, the topic of the course, etc.
[17:43] Keystone Bouchard: or, nothing at all
[17:43] Kvasir Olbracht: and what s wrong with youtube... i learn something new from youtube every day.
[17:43] Kvasir Olbracht: ??
[17:43] Mootly Obviate: choices are a given, context is a question, usage is another question
[17:43] Keystone Bouchard: and maybe it also doesn't stop being designed.... maybe the students can always submit new ideas over time
[17:43] Mootly Obviate: nothing wrong with youtube, jsut been invented already
[17:44] Mootly Obviate: yep, and that's where the question gets interesting
[17:44] Max Ballard: that's a good point, keystone
[17:44] Keystone Bouchard: lets have our next meeting in YouTube then... oh wait... ;-)
[17:44] Kvasir Olbracht: ahahaahah...
[17:44] PeterG Ember: Letting the students constantly evolve the space is a nice idea.
[17:44] Mootly Obviate: choices and evolution ... can we build for it?
[17:45] Mootly Obviate: or can we build just enough of it that they have to provide the rest
[17:45] Keystone Bouchard: right - a skeleton - and they build the muscle
[17:45] Keystone Bouchard: armature for their content
[17:46] PeterG Ember: i would think an interesting question for a teacher in each of these disciplines would be...
[17:46] Lilli Field: u could jyst give a base build with a menu driven rezz extra content
[17:46] Kvasir Olbracht: well kids, i hate to theorize and run, but i have to be off.... very nice seeing you keystone.... i will have to think on this...
[17:46] Kvasir Olbracht: :-0
[17:47] Keystone Bouchard: that's kind of interesting too - that they'll probably have an increasing array of content they'll bring to each class... rezzing 3D stuff.. so being inside of a 'room' becomes increasingly less attractive - it seems like it wants to be more like an open amphitheater, or outdoor room
[17:47] PeterG Ember: ...what's the most difficult thing about the subject...the thing students have the most trouble with...
[17:47] Keystone Bouchard: take care Kvasir!
[17:47] Keystone Bouchard: get a leaf up on the tree!
[17:47] Keystone Bouchard: earn some cash! =)
[17:47] Kvasir Olbracht: i will think on it and see what i can come up with...
[17:47] Kvasir Olbracht: you should stop by the new build sometime.!!
[17:47] Keystone Bouchard: will do!
[17:48] Kvasir Olbracht: nice to meet you all.... im sure we will talk again.
[17:48] Lilli Field: bye
[17:48] PeterG Ember: Bye Kvasir
[17:48] Mootly Obviate: bye
[17:48] PeterG Ember: Keystone, do we have access to faculty? To ask questions?
[17:49] Keystone Bouchard: yes - via the Forum
[17:49] Keystone Bouchard: there's a category for it
[17:49] PeterG Ember: k
[17:49] Keystone Bouchard: http://studiowikitecture.wikidot.com/forum:start
[17:49] Mootly Obviate: that depends on the subject, but most of my students struggle the most over engaging with the subject ... going past memorizing it to doing something with it (except in media arts classes, where they get to play all the time)
[17:49] studentSeat: Hand should raise
[17:51] Keystone Bouchard: hey Azwaldo!
[17:52] Keystone Bouchard: you caught us in a momentary lapse of silence ;-)
[17:52] Keystone Bouchard: either that - or a big lag bubble
[17:52] PeterG Ember: Keystone, I'm not an architect or an SL builder, but I think this looks like an really intersting project.
[17:52] Lilli Field: hehehe i am really only observing, dont have time to get involved atm
[17:52] Azwaldo Villota: howdy, Keystone
[17:53] PeterG Ember: What's the best way for me to contribute?
[17:53] studentSeat: Hand should raise
[17:53] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: grrr
[17:53] Keystone Bouchard: thanks Mootly - yeah, I think it should be pretty interseting to see what the final outcome is like
[17:53] Azwaldo Villota: hello, Veeyawn, itp, all
[17:53] Keystone Bouchard: your input is valuable - even if you don't build, voting and commenting on the website is immensely helpful
[17:54] Keystone Bouchard: especially as an educator
[17:54] Keystone Bouchard: I'd like to somehow submit this brainstorming session we just had to the tree...
[17:54] Keystone Bouchard: i think we covered several points here...
[17:54] tree: Rezzing Design #1225218901 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[17:54] Keystone Bouchard: first, that there needs to be options
[17:55] tree: Rezzing Design #1225216127 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[17:55] Keystone Bouchard: second, that students need to be able to also build their own settings if they want to... and continue evolving the 'classroom' after we're done
[17:55] TREE::1223741444::LEAF::1225216127 shouts: > > giveNotecard fxn called < <
[17:55] Keystone Bouchard: third, that the idea of a 'classroom' in a traditional sense might not be necessary - and might even get in the way at times
[17:55] tree: Rezzing Design #1225987868 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[17:55] Keystone Bouchard: (which gets back to options... maybe one of which is to have nothing rezzed at all)
[17:55] Keystone Bouchard: am I missing anything?
[17:56] Lilli Field: well i was late hehehe
[17:56] Azwaldo Villota: late here, too; can a chat log be posted at the website?
[17:56] Keystone Bouchard: its so easy for great conversations like this to go cold and fizzle
[17:56] Keystone Bouchard: yep, i'll post a transcript
[17:56] Lilli Field: i will submit something if i get round to it tho .. but not likely
[17:57] Keystone Bouchard: Lilli -it would be awesome if you cast some votes on the website
[17:57] Keystone Bouchard: and commented/critiqued other ideas
[17:57] Keystone Bouchard: that's really one thing we need most - even if you don't have time to build
[17:57] Lilli Field: k .. well i better get a password lol
[17:57] PeterG Ember: ok, that sounds fine.
[17:57] Keystone Bouchard: definitely! =)
[17:58] Keystone Bouchard: if anyone has time to stick around - lets build a mock-up of this idea... and submit it
[17:58] Keystone Bouchard: we can keep chatting too
[17:58] Keystone Bouchard: if anyone has other questions?
[17:59] Mootly Obviate: popping back and forth between here and forums ... pop pop pop ... scuse the lack of attention
[17:59] Holo-emitter: Ready
[17:59] Keystone Bouchard: no worries!
[18:00] Azwaldo Villota: anyone here from U of Alabama?
[18:00] Keystone Bouchard: no, they couldn't make it tonight
[18:00] Keystone Bouchard: but they're watching the Forum - if you hbave questions
[18:01] Azwaldo Villota: ok, ty
[18:01] PeterG Ember: not al all
[18:01] Keystone Bouchard: chatting in voice
[18:02] Azwaldo Villota: no microphone here; but listening
[18:03] studentSeat: Hand should raise