[7:00]  Zage Farman: anyway the burdensome part is the same
[7:00]  Keystone Bouchard: Howdy!
[7:00]  Zage Farman: hy
[7:00]  Keystone Bouchard: this is cool
[7:00]  Zage Farman: Hi
[7:00]  Zage Farman gave you Curricullum based Virtual Classroom NOTE.
[7:00]  Azwaldo Villota: howdy, Key
[7:02]  Scooter Gaudio: hey all
[7:02]  Keystone Bouchard: hey Scooter!
[7:02]  Scooter Gaudio: hi key!
[7:02]  Azwaldo Villota: hi Scooter
[7:02]  Scooter Gaudio: haven't seen you in a while, you've morphed, like the Doctor!
[7:03]  Keystone Bouchard: haha yeah - people were getting freaked out by the silver cowboy look, lol
[7:04]  Scooter Gaudio: on another subject: Yesterday I gave a presentation at a virtual worlds in education conference here in Scotland on collaborative design in SL; wikitecture naturally at the heart
[7:04]  Keystone Bouchard: great! that's fantastic
[7:05]  Keystone Bouchard: how did it go?
[7:05]  Azwaldo Villota googles "virtual worlds in education conference here in Scotland"
[7:06]  Scooter Gaudio: good: people are always intrigued, especially since I also highlighted the problems designers have with the SL tools
[7:06]  Azwaldo Villota: University of Stirling ?
[7:06]  Scooter Gaudio: yup stirling
[7:06]  Scooter Gaudio: I haven't yet assembled the references to pass on to the attendees
[7:08]  Keystone Bouchard: do any of you have questions about the Wiki-tree?
[7:08]  Scooter Gaudio: later about what you just posted
[7:09]  Scooter Gaudio: I noticed some things different with this tree; are there no longer two separate parcels for view/build?
[7:09]  Keystone Bouchard: correct
[7:09]  Keystone Bouchard: we found that to confuse people
[7:09]  Keystone Bouchard: people can use the sandbox to build if they want to, or their own land, or any sandbox in SL
[7:09]  Scooter Gaudio: yes, the interface on the tree was confusing but I like the idea in principle
[7:09]  Azwaldo Villota: Key, did you receive a snapshot postcard from me? about the sample textures
[7:09]  Scooter Gaudio: of comparing side by side
[7:09]  Keystone Bouchard: oh yes, i did
[7:10]  Keystone Bouchard: you should be able to buy a copy of those prims
[7:10]  Keystone Bouchard: if i share them with the group, i'm afraid they'll dissappear
[7:10]  Keystone Bouchard: *disappear
[7:10]  Keystone Bouchard: they're for sale for $0
[7:10]  Keystone Bouchard: and the texture is contained within it
[7:10]  Keystone Bouchard: uh oh - lost Zage?
[7:11]  Azwaldo Villota: great
[7:11]  Azwaldo Villota: thank you
[7:11]  Keystone Bouchard: np!
[7:11]  Scooter Gaudio: i think he may have crashed. he disappeared in the middle of a conversation earlier
[7:11]  Keystone Bouchard: oh ok
[7:12]  Keystone Bouchard: he's got a pretty interesting idea here
[7:12]  Keystone Bouchard: all about making the virtual classroom a visual metaphor for the class curriculum
[7:12]  Keystone Bouchard: like, this is a 3D outline of the course material
[7:12]  Sub-Heading
[7:13]  Keystone Bouchard: then as the class progresses, transcripts and references for each class are saved to the appropriate platform
[7:13]  Zage Farman: sorry crashed and couldnt get in
[7:13]  Scooter Gaudio: this looks like it's automated construction
[7:13]  Keystone Bouchard: so if a student misses a class, they can go to that platform and catch up on what they missed
[7:13]  Keystone Bouchard: and even perhaps future classes can look back at the progress of previous classes
[7:14]  Azwaldo Villota: where the tree leaves are owned by the Studio group, but the land parcel is owned by another, our models will not be able to display Parcel Media; any chance of deeding land to the Studio group?
[7:15]  Keystone Bouchard: no, i'm afraid not - Tony would know more about that, but I'm pretty sure the deeding and tree leaf ownership is carefully calibrated
[7:15]  Keystone Bouchard: and can't be modified
[7:15]  Zage Farman: ow i got logged out !
[7:15]  Keystone Bouchard: ouch!
[7:15]  Keystone Bouchard: i know they're having troubles with the grid this morning
[7:15]  Zage Farman: somethign about the server having problems
[7:15]  Azwaldo Villota: Tony?
[7:16]  Scooter Gaudio: nice idea. I'd also be interested in learning spaces that rez on demand, like a holodeck. I had a student so a project like this last semester
[7:16]  Zage Farman: yes its happend several times here before
[7:16]  Keystone Bouchard: yes, I was thinking too about a holodeck for this project
[7:16]  Keystone Bouchard: because they want 6 classrooms with 6 themes...and prims are tight for that much
[7:16]  Keystone Bouchard: Anthony Reisman = Tony
[7:16]  Azwaldo Villota: is that Anthony?
[7:16]  Azwaldo Villota: ok
[7:16]  Keystone Bouchard: yeah
[7:17]  Keystone Bouchard: so, you could conceivably have just a rezzer here with 1 or 2 classrooms 'live' at any given moment - and the various professors can 'load' their preferences before the class starts
[7:17]  Scooter Gaudio: I saw a presentation of the Theatron project yesterday, where they are reconstructing historic theatres that use up almost the entire prim count for a sim, so they have to be rezzed on demand!
[7:17]  Keystone Bouchard: this gets back to some of Azwaldo's ideas as well
[7:17]  Keystone Bouchard: whereby - perhaps this course outline of Zage's here might be one option or component an instructor chooses to 'rez' for class
[7:18]  Keystone Bouchard: like, this isn't really the classroom per-se, but a reference tool that can be rezzed on demand
[7:18]  Keystone Bouchard: and there could be other reference tools as well
[7:18]  Zage Farman: it can be one or both
[7:18]  Keystone Bouchard: exactly
[7:18]  Scooter Gaudio: yes, but the boundaries between content and learning spaces blur at some point
[7:19]  Zage Farman: we are extrapolating form the conventional
[7:19]  Keystone Bouchard: that would be at the discression of the instructor
[7:19]  Zage Farman: in VW the classroom willhave to be reinvented, going back to the basics
[7:19]  Keystone Bouchard: if they wanted the content to *be* the learning space, that's possible - but if they prefer a more traditional classroom structure, they can make that choice before class as well
[7:19]  Zage Farman: of course
[7:20]  Keystone Bouchard: some classes will be more like labs, requiring a different classroom context - some will be lectures
[7:20]  Zage Farman: ppl feel very strange in SL, sometimes
[7:20]  Keystone Bouchard: so, giving the instructor, and the class, choices is key, I think
[7:20]  Zage Farman: yes
[7:20]  Keystone Bouchard: does anyone know how to do a holodeck? with mod/copy/share scripts?
[7:20]  Zage Farman: not me
[7:21]  Azwaldo Villota: appeal of Zage's design for me is its use in asynchronous delivery
[7:21]  Keystone Bouchard: yes, me too
[7:21]  Scooter Gaudio: There is a public domain holo-emitter that my student used
[7:21]  Zage Farman: students usually cant com ein all at the same time , unless they are in a class in RL
[7:21]  Scooter Gaudio: some of the other ones are very complex and cost a bit
[7:21]  Azwaldo Villota: to me, virtual worlds offers excellent opportunity for content on-demand
[7:21]  Keystone Bouchard: yes!
[7:21]  Azwaldo Villota: (Ivory Tower of Prims)
[7:21]  Keystone Bouchard: Scooter - do you know where we can find that?
[7:22]  Scooter Gaudio: hang on, I'll give you v1.0 (I haven't checked for updates)
[7:22]  Keystone Bouchard: yes, I think asynchronous interaction in VW is key
[7:22]  Keystone Bouchard: thanks!
[7:22]  Zage Farman: what si that?
[7:22]  Scooter Gaudio gave you Holo-Emitter System v1.0.
[7:22]  Keystone Bouchard: thanks!
[7:23]  Azwaldo Villota: may i have a copy of that, Scooter?
[7:23]  Zage Farman: may i too?
[7:23]  Scooter Gaudio: I've rezzed one here you can copy
[7:23]  Scooter Gaudio: I boxed it up
[7:23]  Azwaldo Villota: great, ty
[7:23]  Keystone Bouchard: afk for a sec
[7:25]  Keystone Bouchard: back
[7:25]  Scooter Gaudio: has there been a good turnout/signup for this project?
[7:25]  Keystone Bouchard: yes, I think so
[7:26]  Keystone Bouchard: its really asynchronous though...
[7:26]  Keystone Bouchard: just hanging around the tree, i see lots of people coming and going
[7:26]  Keystone Bouchard: and I know there are quite a few working on ideas
[7:26]  Keystone Bouchard: but the trouble is that I think people are thinking of this like a contest, or competition... not a collaborative project
[7:26]  Scooter Gaudio: just lucky that I saw the notice an hour ago and managed to postpone a student meeting :-)
[7:26]  Zage Farman: tru
[7:27]  Keystone Bouchard: so, we have people working out more finalized design ideas, instead of using it to brainstorm and share
[7:27]  Scooter Gaudio: one of the challenges of these types of collaborations is forming the community
[7:27]  Scooter Gaudio: are any of you from U Alabama?
[7:27]  Keystone Bouchard: yes, and community is a very zen-like phenomenon...lol
[7:27]  Azwaldo Villota: UofA; no
[7:28]  Scooter Gaudio: is there much imput from them, as I thought that was the point of this project
[7:28]  Azwaldo Villota: my first impressions of the program left me thinking competition
[7:28]  Zage Farman: me too
[7:28]  Keystone Bouchard: they're putting together a focus group
[7:29]  Keystone Bouchard: so, we're asking contributors to use the forum to submit any questions they have
[7:29]  Keystone Bouchard: and they are also geared up to be voting on contributions a lot - so they'll be providing feedback and commentary that way, as well
[7:30]  Azwaldo Villota: focus group: it might be just as helpful if one of the UofA instructors could view designs, make themselves available
[7:30]  Keystone Bouchard: well, the trouble with the 'competition' feeling is that we're not dividing cash between contributors
[7:30]  Keystone Bouchard: there will be several U of A instructors reviewing
[7:31]  Scooter Gaudio: so the money goes to just one person?
[7:31]  Scooter Gaudio: i'm confused
[7:31]  Keystone Bouchard: we use the contribution assessment system to determine percentages of payout
[7:32]  Keystone Bouchard: oh, didn't mean to have the word *not* in that statement... we *are* dividing payment between contributors
[7:32]  Keystone Bouchard: so, there is this sense of wanting to build something perfect that everyone will like and vote for
[7:32]  Scooter Gaudio: :-)
[7:33]  Keystone Bouchard: but we need to be able to compensate people for their effort
[7:33]  Keystone Bouchard: so, its really all a grand experiment, lol
[7:34]  Keystone Bouchard: I've been very inspired and impressed by the ideas i've heard and seen so far
[7:34]  Azwaldo Villota: do you think that esprmc Fall would mind being contacted?
[7:34]  Keystone Bouchard: no, he'd be fine with that
[7:34]  Keystone Bouchard: i just keep telling people to get their ideas into the tree ASAP!
[7:35]  Azwaldo Villota: will send question to Anthony about land parcel ownership matching object ownership, to allow the interactive elements (like Zage's design, here) to work...
[7:36]  Keystone Bouchard: ok great
[7:36]  Zage Farman: yes we will eed that
[7:36]  Keystone Bouchard: if that won't work, I realize it isn't optimal - but I think the 'idea' could be effectively expressed in text accompanying a preliminary draft submitted to the tree - even if it doesn't all work
[7:37]  Keystone Bouchard: like, instead of scripting it all to be fully functional, you could share just these prims with this hovering text, and describe your idea in the leaf description or in the forum
[7:37]  Zage Farman: i am creating a new thread with a text
[7:37]  Keystone Bouchard: the key is to get something in the tree too - so people can vote
[7:38]  Keystone Bouchard: even if it's only a non-functional draft
[7:38]  Azwaldo Villota: right; that is what we had thought about Zage's design
[7:38]  Zage Farman: ill simplify it without Eloise´s script
[7:38]  Keystone Bouchard: that would be perfect
[7:38]  Azwaldo Villota: (this object has no-mod scripts)
[7:38]  Zage Farman: yes ill fix that
[7:38]  Keystone Bouchard: its too good of an idea to delay...and I think the text describes the idea quite well
[7:39]  Keystone Bouchard: you can always submit another leaf once the mod scripts are ready
[7:39]  Zage Farman: shoudl i put it somewhere else besides the thread?
[7:39]  Keystone Bouchard: I'd still create a forum thread with the description and then point people to that with a link in the leaf description if it doesn't work
[7:39]  Zage Farman: ok
[7:40]  Keystone Bouchard: i think there are at least 2 or 3 others ready, at some point, to submit a leaf
[7:40]  Keystone Bouchard: so, for them to see this, and eventually start to fold these ideas together, will be the best of all worlds
[7:40]  Keystone Bouchard: because, ultimately, no single idea will end up being the 'final' design
[7:41]  Zage Farman: true
[7:41]  Keystone Bouchard: it will invariably be an amalgamation of several ideas that evolve over time
[7:41]  Keystone Bouchard: people get inspired by something else they see, and include it, etc.
[7:41]  Keystone Bouchard: well i should scram... I'm glad you guys could make it this morning/afternoon/evening!
[7:41]  Keystone Bouchard: hopefully a few more will show up in this aft's session
[7:41]  Zage Farman: ok
[7:42]  Azwaldo Villota: cheers
[7:42]  Scooter Gaudio: transcripts to be posted?
[7:42]  Keystone Bouchard: yessir
[7:42]  Azwaldo Villota: Zage, will see you in the forum (and around here)