[16:58] Azwaldo Villota: howdy, Vee
[16:59] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: Hiya!
[16:59] Solo Criss: hey
[16:59] chest: DecoyBot!
[16:59] Keystone Bouchard: Hi everyone! =)
[16:59] Keystone Bouchard: Thanks for coming
[16:59] Keystone Bouchard: we'll get started in a few minutes
[16:59] Azwaldo Villota: hello, Solo, House, Firethorn
[16:59] Solo Criss: thanks for doing this
[16:59] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: Woot!
[16:59] Firethorn Zhangsun: Hello
[16:59] Azwaldo Villota: and hello, Keystone
[16:59] Azwaldo Villota: is meeting in text chat?
[17:00] Keystone Bouchard: yes, most of it will be
[17:00] Max Ballard: when is the deadline? ))
[17:00] Azwaldo Villota: ok, ty
[17:03] Solo Criss: are we expecting a lot of people?
[17:03] Solo Criss: just curious
[17:03] Keystone Bouchard: Hi! We'll get started in a few minutes... not sure how many will be here tonight
[17:03] Solo Criss: ok
[17:03] Keystone Bouchard: it isn't a very European-friendly time, lol =/
[17:04] Bjorlyn Loon: hello!
[17:04] Keystone Bouchard: but we'll post the transcript so anyone can catch up asynchronously
[17:04] Solo Criss: hello
[17:04] Keystone Bouchard: Hi Bjorlyn!!!
[17:04] Bjorlyn Loon: I feel overly brightly dressed for the crowd!
[17:04] Keystone Bouchard: 3 more minutes and we'll start...
[17:04] Solo Criss: hehe
[17:05] Bjorlyn Loon: voice or chat?
[17:05] Keystone Bouchard: mostly text chat
[17:05] Bjorlyn Loon: cool! =) Good to see you keystone.
[17:05] Bjorlyn Loon: Hi Theory!
[17:06] Bjorlyn Loon: hi Mari!
[17:06] Mari Asturias: hi!!
[17:06] Mari Asturias: (getting tea .. brb)
[17:06] Azwaldo Villota: Mari's in da house!
[17:06] Coffee Mug whispers: Ahh! Fresh Hot Coffee
[17:07] Bjorlyn Loon: You are missing your blueprints! That is like the rest of us losing our marbles!
[17:08] Bjorlyn Loon: How have you been, Mari?
[17:08] Bjorlyn Loon: Haven't seen you for a while.
[17:08] Mari Asturias: back with tea!.. setting up headset :-D
[17:08] Keystone Bouchard: alright - we can get started! =)
[17:08] Keystone Bouchard: Thanks so much for coming!
[17:08] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: I plurked this :)
[17:09] Keystone Bouchard: We're very excited to be kicking off this next Wikitecture experiment - Wikitecture 4.0
[17:09] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: Woot!
[17:09] Mari Asturias: wow! someone has feedback!
[17:09] Keystone Bouchard: This project is all about re-inventing the virtual classroom.
[17:10] Keystone Bouchard: The University of Alabama has been kind enough to bring us into this exciting project, and we're confident the Wikitecture community will be able to come up with some innovative concepts and really exceed their expectations.
[17:10] Keystone Bouchard: Tonight, we would like to first introduce the project, then explain very briefly how this process works, and how you can contribute an idea, and finally take any questions you might have.
[17:11] Keystone Bouchard: I would also like to introduce Dr. Rick Houser, who is esprmc Fall - from the University of Alabama who will jump in a little later to tell you about a research project they'll be conducting and how you can participate in that as well.
[17:11] esprmc Fall: Hello we are excited about your participation in this project
[17:12] Keystone Bouchard: So, like I already said we called this experiment 'Re-inventing the virtual classroom' - which could mean something different to just about anyone - which is what I think will make this project pretty interesting.
[17:12] Keystone Bouchard: Obviously educational applications within SL are becoming very numerous, and lots of classes are being held here - more every day. So thinking about what a virtual classroom is should be a timely and worthwhile endeavor.
[17:12] Keystone Bouchard: So, before we move on, I'd just like to bring up a few very general points
[17:14] Keystone Bouchard: The first is a resource... if you don't know what Wikitecture is, or about how we're exploring the application of an open-source paradigm to the design and production of products and architecture - anything 3D, really... you can find a lot more information on the blog: http://studiowikitecture.wordpress.com/about/
[17:14] Keystone Bouchard: I would definitely recommend subscribing to the blog if you haven't already - since we use it as one of our primary means of communicating with the community
[17:15] Keystone Bouchard: next, remember to join the Studio Wikitecture group here in SL
[17:15] Keystone Bouchard: its findable within search, and is another means of keeping track of the project's status and updates
[17:16] Theory Shaw: and also submitting designs to the 'wiki-tree'
[17:16] Keystone Bouchard: also, its important to mention that this Wiki-tree tool we're using is really just a basic prototype
[17:16] Keystone Bouchard: and this project is more or less still an experiment
[17:16] Theory Shaw: you'll break it... we break it alllll the time. ;)
[17:16] Keystone Bouchard: we have so much to learn, and so many ways we can improve this technology
[17:17] Keystone Bouchard: but we have to start somewhere
[17:17] Keystone Bouchard: so, if the system is confusing at first, or doesn't always work perfectly, please be patient and just let us know - we'll fix it ASAP
[17:18] Keystone Bouchard: I'd like to thank i3D for their hard work in realizing this prototype - without them, this couldn't have been done
[17:19] Keystone Bouchard: so, I think that is everything I wanted to cover! I'll turn it over to Dr. Houser - esprmc Fall -to talk about a pretty exciting research project
[17:19] esprmc Fall: Thanks Keystone our intent is to have a school house built that can house six classrooms
[17:20] esprmc Fall: The design is wide open, but the intent is to use the six classrooms so we can focus on different disciplines such as science, math, etc
[17:21] esprmc Fall: We want to set up activities in each classroom so students can come in and complete the tasks.
[17:21] esprmc Fall: So the classrooms need to hold approximately 30 avatars
[17:21] esprmc Fall: if there any questions as please ask
[17:21] Mari Asturias: class "rooms" as in walls, ceiling, floor? ... or "spaces" as in effective learning spaces for specific disciplines?
[17:21] Azwaldo Villota: six different classrooms, or six instances of one design?
[17:22] esprmc Fall: actually spaces are fine
[17:22] Solo Criss: but we want each space to focus on specific disciplines, ie science, math, history, etc.
[17:23] Theory Shaw: @mari... spaces, however defined. :)
[17:23] esprmc Fall: if the design lends itself to demonstrating or expressing the discipline that would be great
[17:23] Mari Asturias: so... just to clarify ...when you say that each should function for specific disciplines, do you have ideas as to how instructors would want to use the spaces? What their needs are?
[17:24] esprmc Fall: Nothing specific about uses, just spaces that will focus on science, math, history, art, english and social sciences
[17:24] esprmc Fall: may be music
[17:24] Azwaldo Villota: Will the existing U of Alabama buildings remain in the region? If so, can textures from the existing buildings be shared?
[17:24] Bjorn Collins: Hello - sorry about the time, its 2.30am here ;)
[17:24] Theory Shaw: up to the communities disgression on what those functions 'could' be
[17:24] Keystone Bouchard: yes, I can share the textures from the existing buildings
[17:24] Mari Asturias: Do we have access to potential users?
[17:25] Theory Shaw: ouch... bjorn.... thanks for coming
[17:25] Mari Asturias: .. to ask questions, for example?
[17:25] esprmc Fall: yes the existing building will remain. Keystone will need to respond about using the textures
[17:25] Keystone Bouchard: I'll submit them as a leaf...
[17:25] Keystone Bouchard: we'll talk more about what that means in a minute =)
[17:25] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: :)
[17:26] Azwaldo Villota: Do participants have permission to use the University nameplates found at:
http://webguide.ua.edu/
[17:26] esprmc Fall: yes since they will be used on the island (only)
[17:27] esprmc Fall: any other questions
[17:27] Keystone Bouchard: yes, we have a few more coming...
[17:27] Bjorn Collins: Im sorry Im late, its late here, I dont know when its time to raise a question..
[17:27] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: We should expect all builds to be 'open-source' correct?
[17:28] esprmc Fall: Keystone a response to open source
[17:28] Theory Shaw: correct, you are free to modify any of your fellow's contributions...
[17:28] Azwaldo Villota: Bjorn: chat log will be posted, questions about program are being asked...q's about wiki tree can wait, right Keystone?
[17:28] Keystone Bouchard: yes, the designs will all be considered open source - but I'm sure Theory has a more accurate answer...
[17:28] Mari Asturias: open source: as in full perms.. right?
[17:28] Theory Shaw: in the same vein as wikipedia.... so is wikitecture
[17:29] Theory Shaw: correct
[17:29] Zorro Hirvi: but what it means the term "wiki" in origin?
[17:29] Keystone Bouchard: yes Azwaldo
[17:29] Keystone Bouchard: correct
[17:29] Theory Shaw: actually the 'wiki-tree', as it's coded, cannot accept any thing other than prims with fulll permissions
[17:30] Mari Asturias: so we will have copies later for our own use!
[17:30] Mari Asturias: yes?
[17:30] Azwaldo Villota: Zorro: wiki == from the Hawaiian word for quickly
[17:30] Zorro Hirvi: ah, ok, thanks
[17:30] Theory Shaw: "Wiki" (/wiːkiː/) is a Hawaiian word for "fast"[4]. "Wiki Wiki" is a reduplication. "Wiki" can be expanded as "What I Know Is," but this is a backronym.[5]
[17:31] Zorro Hirvi: ok, thanks, excuse me
[17:31] Bjorn Collins: anytime :)
[17:32] Keystone Bouchard: this is where the idea of 'experiment' comes in - it really becomes a tough question, when we're collectively working toward providing a client with a design service, using an open source paradigm - although the final design, like any professional deliverable, would ideally remain the property of the client... U of A in this case
[17:33] Keystone Bouchard: we're working on solutions to that challenge, but as yet haven't ironed it all out yet
[17:33] Mari Asturias: Other than the disciplines, number of learners, space and prim restrictions ... are there any other design considerations? .. Have faculty been surveyed ?
[17:33] Mari Asturias: ... or students?
[17:34] esprmc Fall: faculty and students have not been surveyed, we want to participate in the approval of the designs as they are presented
[17:34] Keystone Bouchard: which is where the Wiki-tree comes in
[17:34] Theory Shaw: ...and unfold
[17:35] Theory Shaw: ...in a sense it's like a real time feed back approach to design
[17:35] Mari Asturias: but doesn't good instructional design begin with analysis?
[17:36] Bjorn Collins: I am concerned about the primusage contra the students required to be in the simulator at one time, 6 classrooms with 30 students each - nomatter if you wait a week or a year, there wont be space for 180 students at one time - would it be cheating to include a zero rezzer?
[17:36] Mari Asturias: I'm not trying to be .. a pain... but it seems as if you are asking folks to devote a lot of time ... and only guessing as to what might be actually helpful
[17:36] Theory Shaw: throw some sketches and some rouch ideas out there, and have the community, whether that's you or the students and faculty giving feedback along the way.... while refine along the way.
[17:36] Lilli Field gave you rent arch 16-10-08.
[17:36] Azwaldo Villota: and, will faculty/students be encouraged to vote on designs...even if not participating in building process?
[17:37] Theory Shaw: for sure!
[17:37] esprmc Fall: yes we are encouraging faculty and students to vote even if they do not build
[17:37] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: How often are students or faculty on the island?
[17:38] Keystone Bouchard: we'll get to this in a bit, but there is a forum we can use to assemble any collective research we come up with that doesn't relate to a specific design idea
[17:38] esprmc Fall: we will be publicizing the wikitecture project and encourage faculty and student to be on regularly.
[17:39] Azwaldo Villota holds other questions - about the tree, website, submissions - 'til prompted...
[17:39] Theory Shaw: i think the key in the unfolding community directed design is to design in small increments... in other words, you don't want to spend days working out a polished design and submit it to the tree, only to find out that the community at large is against a cretain aproach.... using the wong UA logo fr example. ha:)
[17:40] Bjorn Collins: heh
[17:40] Keystone Bouchard: Bjorn Collins: I am concerned about the primusage contra the students required to be in the simulator at one time, 6 classrooms with 30 students each - nomatter if you wait a week or a year, there wont be space for 180 students at one time - would it be cheating to include a zero rezzer?
[17:40] Keystone Bouchard: Bjorn raises a good question
[17:41] Keystone Bouchard: since 180 students could never occupy the space at the same time, given the technical limitations of a region...
[17:41] Mari Asturias: (You can't have 180 avatars on a sim at one time)
[17:41] Bjorn Collins: eg. I like to detail alot, a chair made of one prim and nice windows - we already reached 500 prims there
[17:41] Theory Shaw: in a sense you're sketching and brainstorming with the tree, and over time, certain themes will present themselves.
[17:41] Bjorn Collins: I sketch on paper, not with prims..
[17:41] Theory Shaw: that's fine.... scan your sketch and submit it to the website.
[17:42] esprmc Fall: if six spaces are not feasible we can reduce it, but there would never be avatars in all six spaces at once
[17:42] Keystone Bouchard: yeah, the core idea in our last project started as a sketch someone scanned and submitted
[17:42] Mari Asturias: class sizes are 30, right?
[17:42] Bjorn Collins: cheers man
[17:42] Keystone Bouchard: ok, so that's an interesting point... each of the 6 classrooms is intended to, more or less, reflect the 'theme' of that classroom - Science, Math, Art, English, Social Sciences, Music...
[17:42] esprmc Fall: yes 30
[17:42] Bjorn Collins: sorry, dang...
[17:43] Mari Asturias: so... probably no more than two classes on at the same time .. too much lag otherwise
[17:43] Bjorlyn Loon: I wonder, given what Mari said earlier, if a survey of needs might not be considered part of the design process, or even a couple of focus groups?
[17:43] Bjorlyn Loon: sorry to backtrack.
[17:43] esprmc Fall: yes a theme if possible does it make sense to start with one theme?
[17:43] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: Perhaps we can hold some brainstorming sessions? Send an invite to the wikitecture group?
[17:44] Bjorn Collins: there was a conference in Denmarj 2 weeks ago, about philosophy, architecture and studiesin SL - I will translate that, if anyone is interested in it
[17:44] Theory Shaw: in a sense, the wiki-tree is asyncronous brainstroming sesssion
[17:45] Keystone Bouchard: but from the perspective of research and input gathering, synchronous communication might be key
[17:45] Theory Shaw: we've found, that when people meet face to face, and discussion the design in really time, the group gets bogged down
[17:45] Bjorlyn Loon: the point, I think, that Mari was making, is that it might make sense to gather information from end users who may not be interested in participating in the design effort as a whole
[17:46] Veeyawn Spoonhammer: Right, I think if designers wanted to get together with students/faculty there could be a couple of informal gatherings
[17:46] Keystone Bouchard: right Bjorlyn - that's a good point
[17:46] Mari Asturias: yes... architecture stems from needs and constraints... not what the architect "thought" was needed
[17:46] Theory Shaw: in some sense, the asyncronous appoach allows everyone to process what has been writen and weight that idea through a voting system.
[17:46] Mari Asturias: if the end goal is to create an effective learning environment... we need to understand what would be effective.... not just what's cool or pretty
[17:47] Keystone Bouchard: totally agree Mari
[17:47] esprmc Fall: yes most importantly we want an effective learning environment
[17:48] Mari Asturias: then HOW are is the intended audience (instructors and learners) going to USE it?! .. What do they want and need? I'm not hearing this.. (really .. not trying to be a pain)
[17:48] Bjorlyn Loon: we could be starting with assumptions that are inaccurate... like... that 30 students need to be in the classroom at one time, vs. an independent guided learning opportunity, just for example
[17:48] Mari Asturias: is the learning experience problem-based, instructor led, asynchronous? or?
[17:48] Mari Asturias: or all of the above....
[17:49] Bjorlyn Loon: or not know the constraints, for example, that some students will be using machines incapable of video streaming, or multiple open windows
[17:50] Bjorlyn Loon: anyway, I think a couple of well-constructed focus groups might help
[17:50] Cid Ducatillon: i have found, that too.. a list of buiding standards and techniques, covering everything from min ceiling heights to wall thincknesses, to texture sizes and connection points needs to be assembled.. resulting in a chersive similar building technique?
[17:51] Cid Ducatillon: cohersive*
[17:52] Keystone Bouchard: we might be able to solve this in discussion tonight - but what I would recommend is utilizing the Forum we will talk about - soon - to post these ideas - the focus group, the list of standards, the questions about computer requirements, etc.
[17:52] Azwaldo Villota: is the optimal design a compromise, offering maximum utility for maximum users? maybe instead of several (six) designs based on themes, several designs could emerge that are based on use cases?
[17:52] Keystone Bouchard: those things are all valuable contributions...
[17:52] Mari Asturias: easy question: what is the time frame?
[17:53] Theory Shaw: for sure!
[17:53] Keystone Bouchard: and we will continue to have questions and ideas like this... its important to get it into a place we can all collectively consider and comment on
[17:53] esprmc Fall: keystone, I need to leave to teach an online class. I am looking forward to working with everyone
[17:53] Keystone Bouchard: the deadline is Dec. 4th
[17:53] Firethorn Zhangsun: Should I chat about focus groups...?
[17:53] Keystone Bouchard: thanks esprmc! We will be in touch soon
[17:53] Bjorn Collins: I must say, taking Frank Ghery (may be spelled wrongly) as an example that older architectural structures can be interstruted with newer structures, eg. take bricks and salt, and build in steel and glass.. you dont need the actual height of floor/ceiling to make something that would look nice for the actual user
[17:53] esprmc Fall: Keystone, I want to be sure to give Firehorn Zhangsun an opportunity to present the evaluation component
[17:53] Theory Shaw: thanks esprmc
[17:54] Keystone Bouchard: yes - Firethron - please do, I think this would be a good time to jump in with that
[17:54] Keystone Bouchard: Firethron is going to talk about some research focus groups / evaluation components
[17:55] Firethorn Zhangsun: Thanks...and we can incorporate what I'm about to say into some of the comments about getting good feedback in order to facilitate good design,..
[17:55] Firethorn Zhangsun: I'm interested in this process of calloboration and think it would be usefule to get your perspectives on the process as it unfolds
[17:56] Theory Shaw: fore sure firethorn.... i myself would like to comment on that point. :)
[17:56] Firethorn Zhangsun: So, we thought perhaps we could periodically hold a few focus groups with you inworld in order to get a sense for the nature of collaboration, etc.
[17:56] Firethorn Zhangsun: At the same time, we'd also like to be holding focus groups with faculty to get their sense of the process
[17:56] Firethorn Zhangsun: this is where we could get their perspective on both the process and the design
[17:56] Mari Asturias: at what point?
[17:57] Firethorn Zhangsun: and thereby help you all with a sense for what they see, their needs, etc
[17:57] Firethorn Zhangsun: Well, as we'd like more than one focus group, so we'd need to see when people are available and what the speed of the collaboration is...
[17:58] Firethorn Zhangsun: As an aside...you'lll probably find that faculty aren't all that sure what they want yet--I have the sense that they are open to new ideas, yet their own perspective is not ffully formed
[17:58] Theory Shaw: a focus group on focus groups. :)
[17:58] Firethorn Zhangsun: Pretty much--yea. Interpretation upon interpretation
[17:58] Mari Asturias: "probably find" .. but what DO you know at this point.. even crumbs are helpful... if you want it to be actually implemented
[17:59] Azwaldo Villota: have you considered web-based, asynchronous process for focus groupy stuff? it might be difficult to get many folks together in world at once
[17:59] Firethorn Zhangsun: Basically, we see two main stakeholders right now--you all and the faculty and want to get a sense for how this process might be useful
[17:59] Firethorn Zhangsun: and how it might be constraining and enabling
[17:59] Firethorn Zhangsun: Yes, I focus on qualitative research, so different methods of focus groups are very interesting
[18:00] Azwaldo Villota: crumbs: are there any U of A faculty who have already used SL for instruction?
[18:00] Firethorn Zhangsun: As for what faculty might want--I see them falling into two camps..and this may be obvious...
[18:00] Firethorn Zhangsun: There are those who are interested in the rooms inworld in order to facilitate something that could not be done in real world
[18:01] Bjorn Collins: this world is afterall experimental
[18:01] Firethorn Zhangsun: that is to say to work with or experiment with a classroom that doesn't have the material, physical constraints of realworld
[18:01] Firethorn Zhangsun: Yes
[18:01] Firethorn Zhangsun: and then there are those who see this as another means of distance education
[18:01] Bjorn Collins: tables doesnt need legs etc.
[18:01] Theory Shaw: or does it. :)
[18:01] Firethorn Zhangsun: as a way to engage with students who might not otherwise engage in the classes (based on distance, etc)
[18:02] Cid Ducatillon: there are already many university classrooms in SL... they don't have walls.
[18:02] Firethorn Zhangsun: Yes--what are the essential qualities of a table inworld
[18:02] Theory Shaw: cues... gathering
[18:02] Firethorn Zhangsun: We can get at some of these expectations with focus groups of faculty--that would be an interesting aspect of the program evaluiation
[18:02] Cid Ducatillon: its still a nice challenge
[18:02] Firethorn Zhangsun: What are their expectations--even possibilities for their teaching?
[18:02] Bjorn Collins: at SDU we have 16 classrooms - 8 without walls and 8 without chairs/tables (SDU = University of Southern Denmark)
[18:02] Firethorn Zhangsun: HOw might your work change all that?
[18:03] Mari Asturias: Are there any plans as to how these rooms will be implemented with faculty? Or just offered to them?
[18:03] Firethorn Zhangsun: I'm not really one to ask about the specifics of the implementation as I'm just focused on the evaluation...
[18:03] Mari Asturias: at SDSU we mostly use outside spaces .. but it's always dependent on the particular learning objectives of any given course
[18:04] Firethorn Zhangsun: but, I think we can see this as a dynamic relationship where you design based on their early professed needs and they imagine possibilities based on your design...
[18:04] Firethorn Zhangsun: not sure if that makes sense.
[18:04] Solo Criss: makes perfect sense
[18:04] Keystone Bouchard: yes, that's a great point
[18:04] Bjorn Collins: sense is objective to the current situation
[18:04] Solo Criss: they may not see the possibilities until they actually get in SL and start using the classrooms
[18:04] Firethorn Zhangsun: I'm interested in educational architecture because the technologies we implement are to enhance what's there--not to recreate it.
[18:04] Theory Shaw: well said firethorn
[18:05] Firethorn Zhangsun: Yes.
[18:05] Gwen Carillon gave you CVAC INVITE.
[18:05] Theory Shaw: you need a 1 to tell me it should be a 0
[18:05] Firethorn Zhangsun: So I guess I'm here to ask you to consider taking part in focus groups (however conceived) as the process unfolds
[18:06] Firethorn Zhangsun: I'll be meeting with faculty soon to ask the same of them...
[18:06] Theory Shaw: very cool
[18:06] Mari Asturias: any chance of input as to faculty focus group questions?
[18:06] Firethorn Zhangsun: At some point it would also make sense to get you all together with faclty inworld too...
[18:06] Firethorn Zhangsun: Absolutely.
[18:06] Firethorn Zhangsun: I'm not big on territoriality of research questions, etc.
[18:07] Firethorn Zhangsun: So, the entire evalutation can be open to input from everyone
[18:08] Firethorn Zhangsun: I apologize, but will need to leave soon...
[18:09] Theory Shaw: thanks firethorn:)
[18:09] Keystone Bouchard: Thanks so much!
[18:09] Firethorn Zhangsun: Thanks to you all.
[18:09] Firethorn Zhangsun: Looking forward to seeing the project unfold.
[18:09] Mari Asturias: thanks for your time....
[18:10] Azwaldo Villota: good time to ask about the tree? or are y'all getting to that next...?
[18:10] Firethorn Zhangsun: Bye. Have a good night/morning.
[18:10] Keystone Bouchard: So, a few things... we're thinking we will hold off on the tree tutorial for now
[18:10] Keystone Bouchard: its getting kind of late, and we've been at this for a while
[18:10] Keystone Bouchard: we will hold the tutorial next Tuesday at the same time - 5pm PDT - however, please don't let that stop you from getting started!
[18:11] Keystone Bouchard: if you have any ideas to share before then, and don't know how to use the tree, just ask either myself or Theory and we'll help you as needed
[18:11] Azwaldo Villota: is the commenting feature online? having submitted a comment two days ago, i have been unable to find it at website.
[18:11] Bjorn Collins: im still sleeping, but trying to get through to IQ
[18:11] Theory Shaw: also... there's a tutorial located here, that does a good job at taking you through the steps it takes to use the wiki-treehttp://studiowikitecture.wikidot.com/how-to
[18:11] Keystone Bouchard: and I really do think the forum is the best place for us to assemble and communicate around non-3D issues, research, focus group questions, etc.
[18:12] Keystone Bouchard: so there are just a few steps you'll need to know about to get to the Forum..
[18:12] Keystone Bouchard: first, you need to click the base of the tree here... just by my feet
[18:12] Keystone Bouchard: which will get you a password
[18:12] Keystone Bouchard: save that password!
[18:12] Bjorn Collins: key, doesnt work for me yet :/
[18:12] Theory Shaw: @azwaldo... the comments weren't working, but we recently fixed them... they should be up and running now
[18:13] Keystone Bouchard: still doesn't work Bjorn? we'll fix that...sorry! I'll be in touch shortly
[18:13] Azwaldo Villota: thank you, Theory
[18:13] Keystone Bouchard: so - with that password, you can use your avatar name to log in at http://www.studiowikitecture.com/UA
[18:13] Bjorn Collins: delete my username from the database, eventually that will work
[18:14] Theory Shaw: so bjorn you've tried commeting recently, as in today... and it didn't work?
[18:14] Keystone Bouchard: inside that site, click on Feedback & FAQ - which will take you to the Forum.... unfortunately you'll need to set up another account there - on the wikidot site.... (again, this is a prototype!...we'll get that more streamline at some point!)
[18:14] Bjorn Collins: i cant login at all
[18:15] tree: Rezzing Design #1224629433 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[18:15] tree: Rezzing Design #1224637881 in the build area, this can take a while if the design is very large
[18:15] feedback system shouts: You may add comments to the design by saying them on channel 33
e.g. "/33 your comment here"
[18:15] Bjorn Collins: I hope you arent expenting that kind of a classsroom :/
[18:15] Theory Shaw: ha
[18:15] Bjorn Collins: -s :P
[18:15] feedback system: Comment recieved and submitted
[18:16] PeterG Ember: When I click the tree I get the message "please activate the wikitecture group and try again" ???
[18:16] Keystone Bouchard: yes, you need to be in the Studio Wikitecture group
[18:16] PeterG Ember: ah, thought I'd already joined!
[18:17] Keystone Bouchard: you also need to have it active
[18:17] Theory Shaw: also... everyone... please use this site : http://www.studiowikitecture.com/UA/
[18:17] Theory Shaw: verses this one http://www.studiowikitecture.co
[18:18] Bjorn Collins: .co :P
[18:19] Keystone Bouchard: anyone need an invite to the group while i have it open?
[18:19] Theory Shaw: thanks bjorn for tasing that one out. :)
[18:19] Bjorn Collins: hehe
[18:19] Lilli Field: sure
[18:19] Lilli Field: why not :)
[18:19] Bjorn Collins: the silly dane has all the questions for the incapable situations
[18:20] Bjorn Collins: ...
[18:20] Lilli Field: th
[18:20] Lilli Field: thx
[18:20] Bjorlyn Loon waves at fellow bear-person Bjorn.
[18:20] Keystone Bouchard: does anyone here think they'll be submitting an idea to the tree before Tuesday?
[18:20] Bjorn Collins: ;)
[18:21] Theory Shaw: well... everyone, i've got to be going.... dinner awaits... thanksk for listening and send me an IM if you have questions.
[18:21] Bjorn Collins: its possible...
[18:21] Azwaldo Villota: possibly
[18:21] Azwaldo Villota: can wait, if necessary
[18:21] Bjorn Collins: sketching is quick,,building is faster
[18:22] Keystone Bouchard: cool, well I think that wraps things up! We'll get this transcript posted on the blog, and see you Tuesday if you want the Wiki-tree tutorial! =)
[18:22] Keystone Bouchard: anytime you're ready, just IM me and I'll walk you through it
[18:22] Max Ballard: thanks Keystone
[18:22] Keystone Bouchard: its pretty easy
[18:22] Keystone Bouchard: but there's only one thing before that!!!
[18:22] Azwaldo Villota: thank you, Keystone, and Theory
[18:22] Keystone Bouchard: you need to use prims taken from the tree when you build...
[18:23] Azwaldo Villota: (or add the script post facto?)
[18:23] Bjorlyn Loon: Thank you for all the wonderful information, Keystone, Theory, Firethorn and esprmc
[18:23] Keystone Bouchard: so, just click one of the prim types up there (you cna change the prim type later if you want) - and use that as your starting prim - as long as you just keep copying that prim as you build, it will always have the script inside
[18:23] Mari Asturias: so we can't build anything elsewhere and rez it here?
[18:23] Keystone Bouchard: yes, the prims need a script in them to be able to communicate with the tree
[18:23] Bjorn Collins: cant you just handover the prim.....
[18:23] build control panel Tower FULL: Please click prepare before attempting to submit
[18:23] Keystone Bouchard: you can build anywhere you want - but just take a prim from the tree to start with so it has that script inside
[18:24] Mari Asturias: gotcha
[18:24] Bjorn Collins: prim...
[18:24] Bjorn Collins: argh
[18:24] Azwaldo Villota: the tree delivers a script that can be placed into prims, away from this site...right?
[18:24] Bjorn Collins: script
[18:24] Keystone Bouchard: in a worst case scenario, we can add that script to every prim later.... but it would be infinitely easier if you just start with this scripted prim
[18:24] Keystone Bouchard: yes
[18:25] Bjorn Collins: bedtime here
[18:25] Bjorn Collins: have fun
[18:25] Keystone Bouchard: thanks Bjorn!
[18:25] Keystone Bouchard: the other thing about the prims from the tree
[18:25] Keystone Bouchard: is that they're already pre-established with the proper permissions
[18:25] Keystone Bouchard: which is key
[18:25] Bjorn Collins: regards from danish architecture... well, atleast from me
[18:26] Keystone Bouchard: if they don't have full modify permissions exactly like they're checked on those prims, then the tree won't accept them
[18:26] Keystone Bouchard: cool, well thanks again for coming!
[18:27] Keystone Bouchard: i'm sure we'll be in touch again soon =)
[18:27] Bjorlyn Loon: night Keystone!
[18:27] Keystone Bouchard: good night!
[18:27] Mari Asturias: night!
[18:27] Lilli Field: gnight
[18:27] PeterG Ember: Thanks keystone. Sounds like a great project.
[18:27] Lilli Field: lunch time
[18:27] House Runningbear: night