Chat Transcript

May 20th, 2009

Denise, Karina and Claudio?
[21:21:05] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: Hi Carla
[21:21:20] Carla Arena de Aquino says: Hey, Claudio!
[21:21:24] Carla Arena de Aquino says: How are things?
[21:21:34] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: sorry, the connection is really poor.
[21:22:00] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: I was connected but skype just would not go.
[21:22:34] Carla Arena de Aquino says: now, it's ok, I guess.
[21:22:50] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: yes, sure. I'm catching up, I guess
[21:23:06] Carla Arena de Aquino says: You are! I saw you shared some links in Diigo
[21:23:23] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: i'm glad i'm learning about it.
[21:23:50] Carla Arena de Aquino says: So, how do you like it?
[21:23:52] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: i think i need to know how to organize my stuff there better
[21:24:12] Carla Arena de Aquino says: no you don't, Claudio!
[21:24:17] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: tagging, how to group up things
[21:24:24] Carla Arena de Aquino says: I was talking to Denise the other day about that.
[21:24:41] Carla Arena de Aquino says: We tend to think with our analogic minds in a digital world
[21:24:48] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: i don't know if more tags is better than just a few
[21:25:36] Carla Arena de Aquino says: In our physical world, we learn that we can have only one atom in a place, only one person occupying a space, right?
[21:26:24] Carla Arena de Aquino says: in the digital world, we can have many things at the same "space" and it is chaotic
[21:26:43] Carla Arena de Aquino says: no need to organize like we do in the physical world
[21:26:46] Carla Arena de Aquino says: if...
[21:26:53] Carla Arena de Aquino says: you use tags!
[21:27:13] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: is there a better way? I mean,
[21:27:25] Carla Arena de Aquino says: better way in what sense?
[21:27:31] Carla Arena de Aquino says: for example.
[21:27:45] Carla Arena de Aquino says: imagine your own blog
[21:27:51] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: the tags automatically suggested by diigo to be chosen or should i select just a few?
[21:27:59] Carla Arena de Aquino says: aha!
[21:28:04] Carla Arena de Aquino says: great question.
[21:28:21] Carla Arena de Aquino says: think of tags as extension of your own memory
[21:28:33] Carla Arena de Aquino says: as an extension, I mean
[21:28:53] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so, what you want is a system you create that you'll use to tag your items
[21:29:10] Carla Arena de Aquino says: in a way that you can retrieve the resources you need whenever you want
[21:29:22] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so, I have my own tagging system
[21:29:26] Carla Arena de Aquino says: but...
[21:29:31] Carla Arena de Aquino says: hey, Albita!
[21:29:34] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: how is yours?
[21:29:58] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: Hey guys, just arrived home
[21:30:03] Carla Arena de Aquino says: not only is tagging the extension of my memory, it's also for public good!
[21:30:10] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so you tag for yourself and the others
[21:30:20] Carla Arena de Aquino says: that's why you see some Diigo suggestions...
[21:30:30] Carla Arena de Aquino says: the way others have tagged that item
[21:30:46] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: hi alba
[21:30:48] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so, you can use ALL those tags if you wish, plus your own
[21:30:53] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: Well, I´ve been usinf tags since I started working with diigo at the beginning of the semester
[21:31:07] Carla Arena de Aquino says: my tagging system is very simple Claudio
[21:31:15] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: that's what i did, but will i know how to retrieve them all???
[21:31:27] Carla Arena de Aquino says: you will!
[21:31:34] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: my system is very simple, I´ve learned from the master!
[21:31:36] Carla Arena de Aquino says: it's just a matter of experience
[21:31:49] Carla Arena de Aquino says: my tagging is like this...
[21:31:58] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: how is yours, let me see if it makes sense...
[21:32:01] Carla Arena de Aquino says: I use all the words I can think of
[21:32:28] Carla Arena de Aquino says: for example, let's imagine you're bookmarking your blog, Claudio
[21:32:35] Carla Arena de Aquino says: in Diigo.
[21:32:45] Carla Arena de Aquino says: which tags would you use?
[21:32:57] Carla Arena de Aquino says: go ahead, Alba and Claudio
[21:33:03] Carla Arena de Aquino says: just write down the tags
[21:33:41] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: movies, grammar, activity, esl, efl, worksheet, lesson plan, conversation, assess, assessment, fun
[21:33:45] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: Hlelo everyone
[21:33:49] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: exactly
[21:33:56] Carla Arena de Aquino says: hey, josé
[21:33:58] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: hi, zé
[21:34:09] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: Hi . Sorry I am late
[21:34:20] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: Hi Claudio and Carla
[21:34:26] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: Hi
[21:34:33] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: Hi Alba.
[21:34:39] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: hi, dear
[21:34:40] Carla Arena de Aquino says: I'd have yours, Claudio, plus claudioazevedo, blog, teaching,learning,
[21:35:03] Carla Arena de Aquino says: one trick for me, Claudio, to have a standard is to put all the words together
[21:35:11] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: my names??? why?
[21:35:12] Carla Arena de Aquino says: never two separate words
[21:35:16] Carla Arena de Aquino says: sure!
[21:35:18] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: What are you talking about?
[21:35:21] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: Tags?
[21:35:24] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: for instance, Iavwe a bookmark list on my ning pre-test TOEFL page
[21:35:25] Carla Arena de Aquino says: tagging, jose
[21:35:29] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: I have, sorry
[21:35:35] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: great
[21:36:00] Carla Arena de Aquino says: I also put names because I know those resources are related to that person
[21:36:11] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: I use names also
[21:36:19] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so I can retrieve claudioazevedo + blog
[21:36:21] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: One of the bookmarks is Merriam-Webster on line with Porunnciatio
[21:36:26] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: It is easier fo find if you use names also
[21:36:29] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: Pronunciation, sorry
[21:36:39] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: other people's names too, blog owners, for example?
[21:36:57] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: My tag is Dic, with, pronunciation
[21:37:13] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: I use Claudio-Azevedo-Blog
[21:37:34] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: I also use quotation marks
[21:37:43] Carla Arena de Aquino says: yes, claudio
[21:38:09] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: great, thanks!
[21:38:17] Carla Arena de Aquino says: each one can have his own tagging system
[21:38:45] Carla Arena de Aquino says: but you also need to consider tagging for public good x private use
[21:39:01] Carla Arena de Aquino says: another interesting aspect of tagging, claudio, is the following
[21:39:10] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: yes,I guess so
[21:39:33] Carla Arena de Aquino says: imagine you are collecting some specific resources for a specific purpose...
[21:39:34] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: tagging must help us and others find resources
[21:39:43] Carla Arena de Aquino says: true, jose
[21:40:03] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: Guys, I need to grab something to eat, just arrived, you know, be right back
[21:40:09] Carla Arena de Aquino says: in my case, let's say, when I was devising the webtools4educators session...
[21:40:27] Carla Arena de Aquino says: what I did was I created what we call "a unique tag"
[21:40:37] Carla Arena de Aquino says: which means...
[21:41:03] Carla Arena de Aquino says: I used I unique tag for that project...
[21:41:38] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so everything that I found interesting that it could be useful later on for future retrieval...
[21:41:52] Carla Arena de Aquino says: I tagged teacherproject
[21:42:32] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: i should  think about my tags in a way another visitor should wish to explore my links, then?
[21:43:19] Carla Arena de Aquino says: in fact, I used teacher_project
[21:43:38] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so if you check it, you'll see everything I tagged teacher_project http://www.diigo.com/user/carlaarena/teacher_project?tab=250
[21:44:02] Carla Arena de Aquino says: in the case of unique tags, you use them for your own projects
[21:44:45] Carla Arena de Aquino says: another example of unique tags is for conferences
[21:45:37] Carla Arena de Aquino says: the conference organizers decide for one unique tag and they ask everybody producing materials, bookmarking resources, etc to use a specific, unique tag
[21:46:16] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so that somebody looking for references can find all the resources shared within this specific tag
[21:46:29] Carla Arena de Aquino says: this is what we call "aggregation"
[21:46:54] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: interesting
[21:47:03] Carla Arena de Aquino says: we're able to retrieve what people have been bookmarking under a certain tag
[21:47:11] Carla Arena de Aquino says: let me grab an example
[21:47:21] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: i loved it, it had never occorred to me to do it in such a way!
[21:48:56] Carla Arena de Aquino says: it is very very cool
[21:49:02] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: very
[21:49:15] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so, for example, we're having our CTJ conference, right?
[21:49:31] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: right
[21:49:37] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so we can tag everything related to the conference teflctj09
[21:50:16] Carla Arena de Aquino says: it means that we will "aggregate" all the resources bookmarked by the group
[21:50:26] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: Sorry, I will have to leave. Need to eat something.
[21:50:28] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: got it
[21:50:41] Carla Arena de Aquino says: thanks, jose for being here with us
[21:50:52] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: Tagging is really a great thing.
[21:51:07] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: I read the transcript lates
[21:51:17] Web Tools 09 - Jose Antonio da Silva says: bye Carla, Claudio and Alba
[21:51:27] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: bye jose
[21:51:37] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Fleury says: hi all
[21:51:40] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so, claudio, if you write a blog post, if you make a wiki or share a youtube video, if you bookmark a resource you see during the seminar, and you bookmark teflctj09, everything will be aggregated
[21:51:51] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: guys, I´ll have to leave, too, Iwas at Maristão for a presentation about career choices, and have to talk to Filippe about it, I´m really sorry
[21:51:57] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: bye dear
[21:52:12] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: bye alba
[21:52:57] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: bye everyone, hope to "see" you next week
[21:52:58] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: xoxo
[21:53:03] Carla Arena de Aquino says: bye albita
[21:53:20] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so, claudio, here's a very cool example of a unique tag
[21:53:22] Carla Arena de Aquino says: http://www.diigo.com/search?what=k12online
[21:53:23] Web Tools 09 - Alba Cobra says: see u tomorrow, Carlitcha
[21:53:34] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: i'll check it out.
[21:53:43] Carla Arena de Aquino says: k12online is a wonderful online conference all free
[21:53:49] Carla Arena de Aquino says: with wonderful presenters.
[21:54:05] Carla Arena de Aquino says: people tag it and now we can see many of the shared resources.
[21:54:30] Carla Arena de Aquino says: this is what we call "folksonomies"
[21:54:59] Carla Arena de Aquino says: people creating their own category systems
[21:55:27] Carla Arena de Aquino says: very very powerful for us as educators-learners and students, as well
[21:55:58] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: i'll put it intopractice
[21:56:13] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: i wish i had more time...
[21:56:21] Carla Arena de Aquino says: I know the feeling!
[21:56:35] Carla Arena de Aquino says: just one last thing...
[21:56:49] Carla Arena de Aquino says: you are part of our webtools4educators group in Diigo...
[21:57:10] Carla Arena de Aquino says: now, just as we have our own group sharing bookmarks, there are tons of others you can profit from
[21:57:42] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so, if you make a quick Diigo group search, I'm sure you'll find wonderful groups that match your interests
[21:58:01] Carla Arena de Aquino says: so you can find groups that share links related to movies, grammar, etc.
[21:58:12] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: great tip.
[21:58:14] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Fleury says: Hi, I was catching up
[21:58:28] Carla Arena de Aquino says: You can't imagine how much I learn from other people's bookmarks!
[21:58:32] Carla Arena de Aquino says: hey Claudio!
[21:58:37] Carla Arena de Aquino says: great to have you around.
[21:58:47] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Fleury says: Carla, I've started tagging links with webtools, webtools4ed, tools
[21:58:48] Carla Arena de Aquino says: we were talking about tagging
[21:58:49] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Fleury says: Hi
[21:59:00] Carla Arena de Aquino says: that's another tip.
[21:59:11] Carla Arena de Aquino says: a unique tag for a group
[21:59:22] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: carla, i really have to go, haven't eaten yet...
[21:59:53] Carla Arena de Aquino says: OK. Claudio A. great to have you around and to see that you're really into it!
[22:00:01] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Fleury says: and I like to use ones like speaking, listening, to help reach them faster
[22:00:21] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: learne so much... thanks! I'll check the rest later, OK?
[22:00:30] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Azevedo says: bye
[22:00:34] Carla Arena de Aquino says: yes. Claudio f. I do the same together with many other tags
[22:00:37] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Fleury says: see you
[22:00:45] Carla Arena de Aquino says: I always use as many as I can think of
[22:01:06] Carla Arena de Aquino says: just like I mentioned to Claudio F. we tag for private use and public good
[22:01:19] Carla Arena de Aquino says: when we're in such a place like diigo or delicious
[22:02:03] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Fleury says: Carla is there NE1 else around?
[22:02:37] Carla Arena de Aquino says: not really, Claudio
[22:02:45] Carla Arena de Aquino says: jose was here, claudio, alba
[22:03:04] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Fleury says: I see the links are darker than ohters, but they are offline.
[22:03:16] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Fleury says: I drop by to say hi.
[22:03:22] Carla Arena de Aquino says: yes. the ones in gray are offline
[22:03:27] Carla Arena de Aquino says: that's nice!
[22:03:29] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Fleury says: there was no voice, was there?
[22:03:30] Carla Arena de Aquino says: any questions?
[22:03:42] Carla Arena de Aquino says: no. I'm trying not to scare people!
[22:03:48] Carla Arena de Aquino says: but will do that soon
[22:03:56] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Fleury says: the meeting is ok on friday, ok?
[22:06:39] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Fleury says: kisses
[22:07:00] Web Tools 09 - Claudio Fleury says: bye
[22:07:07] Carla Arena de Aquino says: see ya soon.